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Post by Gods on Oct 20, 2014 10:11:39 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. On a serious point do you think the pressure is getting to Mr. Monk? You started the season well and indeed you started this game well but 2 points from the last possible 15 is not too clever. It seemed like Mr. Monk was hoping to win this match courtesy of a penalty for an off the ball incident where the player who went to ground posed absolutely no threat. The game was won in the end by the one "proper" goal which either team scored and sadly for you in did not come from the team in white. Is the Chairman a 'hire them and fore them man'? Seemed odd to me as an outsider that Laudrup left and was replaced by the punchy if rather raw fella you have at the helm now. Just curious?
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Post by peterperrett on Oct 20, 2014 10:18:56 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. On a serious point do you think the pressure is getting to Mr. Monk? You started the season well and indeed you started this game well but 2 points from the last possible 15 is not too clever. It seemed like Mr. Monk was hoping to win this match courtesy of a penalty for an off the ball incident where the player who went to ground posed absolutely no threat. The game was won in the end by the one "proper" goal which either team scored and sadly for you in did not come from the team in white. Is the Chairman a 'hire them and fore them man'? Seemed odd to me as an outsider that Laudrup left and was replaced by the punchy if rather raw fella you have at the helm now. Just curious? Actually Im not a Swansea fan. I was just interested in Stoke fans view on the game. I thought Oliver had a good game and, at the risk of repeating myself too much, I have always thought Shawcross has an over reliance on fouling more than almost any other CB in the Premiership. I accept that Skirtel is probably the same but hopefully this will be start of more penalties for this sort of offence. However, as someone else said I very much doubt it.
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Post by coates on Oct 20, 2014 10:23:44 GMT
Slightly off topic is that stokelad84 on Twitter anyone who posts on here??
Who ever it is he wants hughes out the clown.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 20, 2014 11:14:31 GMT
The problem is he did it in full unobstructed view of the ref, who was about 10 feet away. He can't complain. Before the corner was taken the ref had a word with shawcross about holding but who was standing next to the ref BONEY very strange that he made sure a pen was given Well then he's even dafter than I thought if he knew the ref was going to be watching him.
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Post by mcf on Oct 20, 2014 11:52:47 GMT
I'd have probably said Shawcross too but the fact remains that from now on that every time a player does it then a foul has to be given. Even Niall Quinn himself, while telling us about Shawcross's rugby challenge was only minutes earlier practically wanking over the Swansea left back for 'clever defending' on Crouch when he was pushing him and shirt holding....the fucking idiot. I think Moses more than made the most of the hand in his back but in no way was it any different to Bony happily letting himself hit the ground - both went down too easily. I don't think Oliver did anything wrong as long as he continues to ref in the same vein week in, week out. We weren't pathetically booing Oliver either - we just know that we have the ability to pressure a ref in to giving us decisions - playing the victim card is one of our specialities. And you lot have a go at Arsene Wenger - a bit rich that. I only have a go at him when Stoke play Arsenal....otherwise I think he's great.
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Post by Davef on Oct 20, 2014 11:52:56 GMT
Slightly off topic is that stokelad84 on Twitter anyone who posts on here?? Who ever it is he wants hughes out the clown. 1) He doesn't post on this board. 2) He's a bellend. 3) He's not a Stoke fan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:57:39 GMT
I see the point you're making, however the amount of unfounded and undeserved vitriol directed at our captain over the last few years has been disgraceful, he's more than entitled to a sly dig back. It's a valid and very emotional point by Ryan Shawcross. He gets paid to do his job. He does it very, very well. He gets fucked for doing what cunts like John Terry, Martin Skrtel, Vincent Kompany etc do every week also. He's right, they are world class at doing what they fucking like because they play for the " bigger clubs". This shit needs to be fucking dealt with on an equal basis every fucking week for every fucking club or not at all. Michael Oliver needs to fucking man up to his bosses. Mandate it for EVERY INCIDENT, or not at all you fucking cowards. :-( If you look at the incident I saw several things: 1)Williams is holding Wilson but watching Ryan when they move he sticks out both his backside and right leg to trip Ryan. 2)Erik is being held and pushed. 3)Bony is holding and pushing Ryan back. 4)Bony falls over William's leg also not just Ryan. 5)The only time Bony fell over was in the box trying for a peno. It was a peno to be fair but there was more than meets the eye to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 12:06:59 GMT
To be fair it was a penalty. But as Ryan has pretty much said we've been watching Terry, Vidic and the likes doing it for years and getting away with it. I have no problem with the decision to award the penalty so long as it's enforced throughout football and not singling out specific players or teams.
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Post by jrstokie on Oct 20, 2014 12:14:10 GMT
John Cross ( Arsenal fan ) was very level headed on TS this morning whilst discussing the incident and Shawcross in general I heard that as well. Couldn't believe it tbh. He's normally an utter pipe. Seemed to rate Ryan highly
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Post by bignickhowes on Oct 20, 2014 12:18:35 GMT
fuckin hell i think thats the first time ive ever heard shawcross speak, he makes wayne rooney sound like peter ustinov. Shawcross comes across ok and if you care to listen to what he has to say then he talks some sense. He is a million times better than Raheem Sterling, who must be the thickest player in the Premier League if you listen to his interviews. If it is just nerves and inexperience then Liverpool need to get him on some media/PR training course before letting him in front of a camera again. ones of them is a club captain and is 27, the other is 19..
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Post by tuum on Oct 20, 2014 12:59:03 GMT
Shawcross comes across ok and if you care to listen to what he has to say then he talks some sense. He is a million times better than Raheem Sterling, who must be the thickest player in the Premier League if you listen to his interviews. If it is just nerves and inexperience then Liverpool need to get him on some media/PR training course before letting him in front of a camera again. ones of them is a club captain and is 27, the other is 19.. That's why I cut him some slack by suggesting he steers clear of cameras until he feels more competent. Although not sure if the PR training will necessarily work. There have been one or two experienced players who just did not have the range of vocabulary to express themselves well in interviews regardless of age.
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Post by boweryboy on Oct 20, 2014 13:08:02 GMT
Ryan is a great defender if he does what he does best and attack the ball,which he did second half...what he did and has done for a long time is a penalty all day long...since when has holding a player and stopping him running or jumping in the box been legal,this decease of not watching the ball come in but looking at the player has been an absolute joke for a long time....Ryan does it because everybody else was doing it and not being penalized,but by doing so he was taking away his own strength in the air...for christ sake does he have to hold someone down who is smaller than himself,point being you cannot jump yourself if you are doing so....these so called pundits who trot out this tripe that the ref would have to give 5 or 6 penalties per game....what moron would continue to do it if a penalty had already been given as happened yesterday...against QPR Ryan tried to hold Cauker but he riddled free and actually stooped down and scored,now if he had defended the ball that would have been another two points...how this stupid ,pathetic way of defending has been allowed to creep into our game by coaches and endorsed by managers because everybody else does it i find disgusting....it's not always been in our game and the sooner it's stopped the better,what happened to Ryan was the best thing that could happen for him and the game as an whole....carry on defending as you did second half and you may just get an England call up,carry on as you have been doing and you will shooting yourself in the foot.....
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Post by foster on Oct 20, 2014 13:08:18 GMT
No homo, but would take a tug off of Ryan. Bit contradictory that mate.
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Post by foster on Oct 20, 2014 13:14:18 GMT
I'm off the opinion that Ryan is one of the worst offenders for grabbing players in the box and that it was technically a penalty.
Saying that, it was harsh to dish out the penalty to him when probably all CBs do it to one degree or another. Hopefully this will start a precedent and other CBs will also get singled out. If it's only going to be him then its a load of bollocks.
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