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Post by 2004 on Oct 20, 2014 7:10:23 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how many more of those Oliver gives this season. I'll wager none. He has set a precedent now, if he spots ANY holding in the box he HAS to give a penalty. it will be very interesting to see which match Michael Oliver has next week! Or if he even has a match
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Post by metalhead on Oct 20, 2014 7:33:23 GMT
I thought his comments were brilliant, hit the nail firmly on the head.
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Post by huntlypotter on Oct 20, 2014 7:49:55 GMT
Watching the live game against QPR the other week the former CBBC presenter and his "experts" were vilifying Shawcross for holding in the box. Steven Caulker was doing the exact same when Stoke had a corner and nobody batted an eyelid. Yesterday Shawcross was getting slated for it again yet when Ashley Williams did the same in the Swansea goalmouth it went un-noticed.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Oct 20, 2014 8:00:59 GMT
Watching the live game against QPR the other week the former CBBC presenter and his "experts" were vilifying Shawcross for holding in the box. Steven Caulker was doing the exact same when Stoke had a corner and nobody batted an eyelid. Yesterday Shawcross was getting slated for it again yet when Ashley Williams did the same in the Swansea goalmouth it went un-noticed. said as much yesterday at half time, got no qualms with their penalty, BUT if he gives that why the fook didnt he give one before when crouch was bein bear hugged in their box ????? thought it was the same rules for both !
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 20, 2014 8:07:50 GMT
There is no one worse than John Terry for it but like Ryan said it's world class when they do it.
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Post by huntlypotter on Oct 20, 2014 8:20:19 GMT
Watching the live game against QPR the other week the former CBBC presenter and his "experts" were vilifying Shawcross for holding in the box. Steven Caulker was doing the exact same when Stoke had a corner and nobody batted an eyelid. Yesterday Shawcross was getting slated for it again yet when Ashley Williams did the same in the Swansea goalmouth it went un-noticed. said as much yesterday at half time, got no qualms with their penalty, BUT if he gives that why the fook didnt he give one before when crouch was bein bear hugged in their box ????? thought it was the same rules for both ! If Referees are sensible and enforce the same rule for all teams we're going to see a lot more penalties in the Premier League every week
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Post by huntlypotter on Oct 20, 2014 8:20:53 GMT
There is no one worse than John Terry for it but like Ryan said it's world class when they do it. "same old Terry, always cheating!"
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Post by jeycov on Oct 20, 2014 8:26:03 GMT
"When everyone else does it, its world class defending. When I do it, its cheating". Look at the emotion as he spoke those words. For those who think he isn't hurt by being continually overlooked by England, look no further than this. Seemed on the verge of tears as he said that. Feel for Ryan because he's spot on. It was a pity that Sky / Match of the Day didn't show other examples of this type of defending instead of making a very personal attack on Ryan and spotlighting this in his interview. It would have given a much fairer overview to show some of our very best defenders (and attackers) doing exactly the same and going unpunished I really didn't know what had happened at the game as there were few appeals from the Swansea players ( although they started appealing for everything after that) In fact some of the replay shows Williams and Wilson doing exactly the same Consistency is all we ask for We'll still be under the spotlight, let's hope that the persistent holding of Crouch gets a mention
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Post by spartanstokie on Oct 20, 2014 9:04:36 GMT
fair shout reference Williams now i really like Williams think he is very good. but he starts all his set piece defending with a two handed shove into the oppositions chest bit like a basketball player pushes off to put them off balance and him in control
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 20, 2014 9:05:40 GMT
I see the point you're making, however the amount of unfounded and undeserved vitriol directed at our captain over the last few years has been disgraceful, he's more than entitled to a sly dig back. It's a valid and very emotional point by Ryan Shawcross. He gets paid to do his job. He does it very, very well. He gets fucked for doing what cunts like John Terry, Martin Skrtel, Vincent Kompany etc do every week also. He's right, they are world class at doing what they fucking like because they play for the " bigger clubs". This shit needs to be fucking dealt with on an equal basis every fucking week for every fucking club or not at all. Michael Oliver needs to fucking man up to his bosses. Mandate it for EVERY INCIDENT, or not at all you fucking cowards. :-( OS.
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2014 9:19:23 GMT
John Cross ( Arsenal fan ) was very level headed on TS this morning whilst discussing the incident and Shawcross in general
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Post by Gods on Oct 20, 2014 9:24:56 GMT
Be fascinating to see how many penalties are given in the Prem in the remainder of this season for the all in wrestling which takes place in every game at every set piece situation where the ball is likely to be delivered in to the box.
I'll start the betting at ZERO.
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Post by torquaypotter on Oct 20, 2014 9:25:58 GMT
The problem is he did it in full unobstructed view of the ref, who was about 10 feet away. He can't complain. Before the corner was taken the ref had a word with shawcross about holding but who was standing next to the ref BONEY very strange that he made sure a pen was given
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Post by podolipotter on Oct 20, 2014 9:29:29 GMT
Be fascinating to see how many penalties are given in the Prem in the remainder of this season for the all in wrestling which takes place in every game at every set piece situation where the ball is likely to be delivered in to the box. I'll start the betting at ZERO. Unless of course, it is in the Stoke penalty area!
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Post by peterperrett on Oct 20, 2014 9:29:35 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion.
As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2014 9:30:50 GMT
I see the point you're making, however the amount of unfounded and undeserved vitriol directed at our captain over the last few years has been disgraceful, he's more than entitled to a sly dig back. It's a valid and very emotional point by Ryan Shawcross. He gets paid to do his job. He does it very, very well. He gets fucked for doing what cunts like John Terry, Martin Skrtel, Vincent Kompany etc do every week also. He's right, they are world class at doing what they fucking like because they play for the " bigger clubs". This shit needs to be fucking dealt with on an equal basis every fucking week for every fucking club or not at all. Michael Oliver needs to fucking man up to his bosses. Mandate it for EVERY INCIDENT, or not at all you fucking cowards. :-( Spot on! The camera zoomed in on Shawcross BEFORE the Bony incident; when have you ever seen that? Let's have all players traits highlighted like Gerrard or Sterling dangling legs out for penalties. Fucking Scholes did 3 bookable fouls every match for years and it was laughed about! Wank journalism and reporting all round. Back to your point, I expect to see 10 penalties a game from now on.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 20, 2014 9:32:14 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Have you not got bigger things to worry about. I bet you h8 it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 9:37:37 GMT
I think he had that planned for motd.....bang on!!!!
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Post by peterperrett on Oct 20, 2014 9:39:01 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Have you not got bigger things to worry about. I bet you h8 it. Eh? I thought this was a message board and was about discussion and opinion. Just saying Shawcross is, in my opinion, the worst offender at this sort of behaviour. Yes, it should result in more penalties, but Shawcross was even warned by Oliver just prior to the penalty award. A bit stupid really. I bet you h8 it? Are you 12 m8?
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Post by Fred Ferret on Oct 20, 2014 9:39:42 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Yawn ...
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 20, 2014 9:42:02 GMT
Have you not got bigger things to worry about. I bet you h8 it. Eh? I thought this was a message board and was about discussion and opinion. Just saying Shawcross is, in my opinion, the worst offender at this sort of behaviour. Yes, it should result in more penalties, but Shawcross was even warned by Oliver just prior to the penalty award. A bit stupid really. I bet you h8 it? Are you 12 m8? No m8, but you lost by 8 m8. Get it?
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Post by peterperrett on Oct 20, 2014 9:46:31 GMT
Eh? I thought this was a message board and was about discussion and opinion. Just saying Shawcross is, in my opinion, the worst offender at this sort of behaviour. Yes, it should result in more penalties, but Shawcross was even warned by Oliver just prior to the penalty award. A bit stupid really. I bet you h8 it? Are you 12 m8? No m8, but you lost by 8 m8. Get it? Its OK I can take it. I do though genuinely think Shawcross is the worst at fouling at corners and got exactly what he deserved. If you want to talk about the big problems Gus Poyet faces then by all means continue cos, to be honest with you, I think he's going to struggle to get over such a hefty humiliation. Shame as I like the bloke.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 20, 2014 9:49:08 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Just watch every other centre back and you'll see it goes on in all games so you my friend is the one being biased!
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Post by mcf on Oct 20, 2014 9:49:28 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. I'd have probably said Shawcross too but the fact remains that from now on that every time a player does it then a foul has to be given. Even Niall Quinn himself, while telling us about Shawcross's rugby challenge was only minutes earlier practically wanking over the Swansea left back for 'clever defending' on Crouch when he was pushing him and shirt holding....the fucking idiot. I think Moses more than made the most of the hand in his back but in no way was it any different to Bony happily letting himself hit the ground - both went down too easily. I don't think Oliver did anything wrong as long as he continues to ref in the same vein week in, week out. We weren't pathetically booing Oliver either - we just know that we have the ability to pressure a ref in to giving us decisions - playing the victim card is one of our specialities.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 20, 2014 9:51:53 GMT
The problem is he did it in full unobstructed view of the ref, who was about 10 feet away. He can't complain. Before the corner was taken the ref had a word with shawcross about holding but who was standing next to the ref BONEY very strange that he made sure a pen was given The fact that he had a word before the corner was taken, wasnt really in the spirit of the game. The ref shouldnt say anything and see how something pans out. If hes going to have a word he should do it with each defender not single out one.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 20, 2014 9:55:33 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Try watching Skirtel on a match day. If you want to see the worst one for holding then that guy wont let you down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 9:56:33 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. So would may others, and it would be purely based on the fact that the media highlight Shawcross and only Shawcross when the likes of Skirtel, O'Shea, Terry, Williamson at Newcastle (worst offender going from the live games I've seen) do it constantly. Throw enough shit and some of it will stick, that's the power of the media....
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Post by alansuddick on Oct 20, 2014 10:00:15 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Ive nothing against your team my arse! Why domt you fuk off and stay on your own teams forum, peter crouch gets manhandled , pushed, pulled everytime but its fair game against him so before you come onto our forum take acloser look at the big picture you prick.
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Post by peterperrett on Oct 20, 2014 10:09:38 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. Try watching Skirtel on a match day. If you want to see the worst one for holding then that guy wont let you down. Totally agree with Skirtel. I'd like to see more penalties like this. My point is that Ive always thought Shawcross was the worst in the Premier League for this and therefore its difficult to defend him. I also understand Stoke fans unhappiness at Shawcross's omittance from the England squad when we have such poor centre backs.I just wonder whether his over reliance on fouling has led to him being continually over looked.
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Post by peterperrett on Oct 20, 2014 10:10:57 GMT
Prior to this game if you asked me who was the worst in the Premier League for fouling in the box at corners I would have said Ryan Shawcross. Its just my view. Jamie Caragher virtually said the same. Call us biased against Stoke but you'd be wrong. Shawcross should potentially give a penalty virtually at every corner. About time he got a penalty for that. Yes, it should be done more often but Shawcross is the worst and most consistent fouler in such circumstances in my opinion. As for your comments on Oliver, well the main thing he got wrong was giving Stoke a penalty when Moses dived. Again, he is a serial diver, I saw him do exactly the same against my team when playing for Wigan. Your fans were pathetically booing Oliver when, in reality, he got you out of jail. I genuinely have nothing against Stoke but find your blind bias towards your team poor. A little honesty would be appreciated. I'd have probably said Shawcross too but the fact remains that from now on that every time a player does it then a foul has to be given. Even Niall Quinn himself, while telling us about Shawcross's rugby challenge was only minutes earlier practically wanking over the Swansea left back for 'clever defending' on Crouch when he was pushing him and shirt holding....the fucking idiot. I think Moses more than made the most of the hand in his back but in no way was it any different to Bony happily letting himself hit the ground - both went down too easily. I don't think Oliver did anything wrong as long as he continues to ref in the same vein week in, week out. We weren't pathetically booing Oliver either - we just know that we have the ability to pressure a ref in to giving us decisions - playing the victim card is one of our specialities. And you lot have a go at Arsene Wenger - a bit rich that.
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