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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:46:30 GMT
I agree with some of what you say mate. I wouldn't put Huth in the same bracket as Ryan mind. Shawcross is different gravy. Together they look even better than they do as individuals though, mate. Again, agreed. I just wouldn't change things right now. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and all that. I'm sure Huth will get his chance at some point, and hopefully when he does he grabs it with both hands. Defensively we're very good right now though. And that goes for the back 5, Whelan just in front and even the wide players putting in a shift and tracking back. There have been a few individual mistakes a long the way. That applies to Wilson but also to Begovic, Shawcross and quite a few others. Right now though, I think Wilson is doing more than enough to retain his place in the side.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 2, 2014 17:51:37 GMT
I called for Huth today. But he wasn't in.
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Post by kaney78 on Oct 5, 2014 0:58:43 GMT
Huth isn't coming back, especially coming back to his imperious colossus best of a few years back. Sad to say i suspect your right
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 5, 2014 8:02:54 GMT
We need a CD to replace Wilson. And that's not gonna be huth. So either Cameron is given a chance in that position or else Coates should finally dip into his pockets to buy one in January. Huth has been out for and hole year. He's a big guy and that makes the comeback even more difficult. Plus I believe that he doesn't fit in the new style of play.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 5, 2014 8:45:50 GMT
We need a CD to replace Wilson. And that's not gonna be huth. So either Cameron is given a chance in that position or else Coates should finally dip into his pockets to buy one in January. Huth has been out for and hole year. He's a big guy and that makes the comeback even more difficult. Plus I believe that he doesn't fit in the new style of play. We need to get back to basic defending,the bedrock of any successful team,at any level.The style of play is not an issue here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 8:48:06 GMT
We need to get back to working on set pieces at both ends of the pitch.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 5, 2014 11:50:01 GMT
We need to get back to working on set pieces at both ends of the pitch. No amount of work on set pieces will help when the likes of Adam, Whelan, Arnie and Ireland NEVER get it past the first man. Adam's delivery from set pieces is consistently atrocious and his efforts yesterday were worse than ever!
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Post by tazi on Oct 5, 2014 12:18:45 GMT
We need to get back to working on set pieces at both ends of the pitch. No amount of work on set pieces will help when the likes of Adam, Whelan, Arnie and Ireland NEVER get it past the first man. Adam's delivery from set pieces is consistently atrocious and his efforts yesterday were worse than ever! That'd be the whole idea in practicing them, it's an innovative idea but it might just work.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Oct 5, 2014 12:31:45 GMT
We need a new centre back as first priority in January. In hindsight, we missed the boat on Lescott/Caulker.
Wilson is just not good enough; simply, he can't defend.
Huth doesn't seem to be making any immediate progress with his recovery.
Muniesa is more suited to full back, or as I'd rather, the holding midfield role.
Cameron; see Wilson.
Texiera could be the next Kompany or the next Sonko, no one knows.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2014 12:32:39 GMT
We need a new centre back as first priority in January. In hindsight, we missed the boat on Lescott/Caulker. Wilson is just not good enough; simply, he can't defend. Huth doesn't seem to be making any immediate progress with his recovery. Muniesa is more suited to full back, or as I'd rather, the holding midfield role. Cameron; see Wilson. Texiera could be the next Kompany or the next Sonko, no one knows. Hindsight?
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Oct 5, 2014 12:36:18 GMT
We need a new centre back as first priority in January. In hindsight, we missed the boat on Lescott/Caulker. Wilson is just not good enough; simply, he can't defend. Huth doesn't seem to be making any immediate progress with his recovery. Muniesa is more suited to full back, or as I'd rather, the holding midfield role. Cameron; see Wilson. Texiera could be the next Kompany or the next Sonko, no one knows. Hindsight? On my part at least
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 5, 2014 12:52:25 GMT
No amount of work on set pieces will help when the likes of Adam, Whelan, Arnie and Ireland NEVER get it past the first man. Adam's delivery from set pieces is consistently atrocious and his efforts yesterday were worse than ever! That'd be the whole idea in practicing them, it's an innovative idea but it might just work. You think they don't practice them? If a professional footballer earning 40k per week can't deliver a set piece delivery, no amount of practice is going to improve that at this stage of their careers. Equally, they can practice, movement, blocking and all manner of other things but a lack of basic skill to deliver the ball in the first place renders it useless. Darrel Russel was more of set piece expert than Charlie Adam whose deliveries, supposedly one of his main attributes, are the best part of fucking useless.
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Post by tazi on Oct 5, 2014 12:59:13 GMT
That'd be the whole idea in practicing them, it's an innovative idea but it might just work. You think they don't practice them? If a professional footballer earning 40k per week can't deliver a set piece delivery, no amount of practice is going to improve that at this stage of their careers. Equally, they can practice, movement, blocking and all manner of other things but a lack of basic skill to deliver the ball in the first place renders it useless. Darrel Russel was more of set piece expert than Charlie Adam whose deliveries, supposedly one of his main attributes, are the best part of fucking useless. I don't know if they are or not but if they're not then that's criminal. If they are then lord help us.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 5, 2014 13:32:17 GMT
Here we go again, who was marking Fletcher ?, why didn't they stop his run or run with him,
everyone should have been moving out , Wilson was the only one who acted positive by going for the ball
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2014 13:38:21 GMT
Here we go again, who was marking Fletcher ?, why didn't they stop his run or run with him, everyone should have been moving out , Wilson was the only one who acted positive by going for the ball Wilson was marking Fletcher. Very badly!
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 5, 2014 13:42:20 GMT
Here we go again, who was marking Fletcher ?, why didn't they stop his run or run with him, everyone should have been moving out , Wilson was the only one who acted positive by going for the ball Wilson was marking Fletcher. Very badly! No he wasn't, Fletcher was next to Ryan when he made his run, what about the third goal Bayern, can you blame any one for that ?
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Post by mrred on Oct 5, 2014 13:43:34 GMT
I call for Huth every week. Just come home Bobby
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2014 13:43:47 GMT
Wilson was marking Fletcher. Very badly! No he wasn't, Fletcher was next to Ryan when he made his run, what about the third goal Bayern, can you blame any one for that ? He was Wilson's man.....the only one denying that is you. I haven't seen the others so can't comment.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 5, 2014 13:51:00 GMT
He was Ryan man, watch where he started his run from
you didn't see the third goal, Bayern,
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 5, 2014 15:35:48 GMT
He was Ryan man, watch where he started his run from you didn't see the third goal, Bayern, Wilsons reaction tells you everything you need to know about who should have been picking Fletcher up and it wasn't Ryan.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 5, 2014 18:33:21 GMT
I've been calling for us to call Lescott way before the summer window, calling huth now is needed to shore up the back but caulker and others should have been sought after, we've become to attack orientated both on the pitch and in our dealings.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 5, 2014 18:59:24 GMT
Here we go again, who was marking Fletcher ?, why didn't they stop his run or run with him, everyone should have been moving out , Wilson was the only one who acted positive by going for the ball
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2014 22:42:27 GMT
I've seen the third goal now. Wilson's "defending" is hilarious. He looks like your Gran who's got dementia and just escaped from the care home. "Where am I, where am I?". Fucking hilarious.
But one of a number of lame ass attempts of defending!
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 5, 2014 22:50:36 GMT
I've just seen the goals again and for me, Muniesa is every bit as culpable as Wilson in yesterday's defensive calamity. Half arsed, weak, and slow.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 6, 2014 2:10:14 GMT
He was Ryan man, watch where he started his run from you didn't see the third goal, Bayern, Wilsons reaction tells you everything you need to know about who should have been picking Fletcher up and it wasn't Ryan. Wilson reaction was feckIin Ryan where are you again, asleep while your man makes his run
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 6, 2014 2:12:00 GMT
Here we go again, who was marking Fletcher ?, why didn't they stop his run or run with him, everyone should have been moving out , Wilson was the only one who acted positive by going for the ball ,,
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 6, 2014 2:54:54 GMT
,, I'm not down on Wilson but he was definitely Wilsons man, he let him get away from him and resulted in a goal, Shawcross was marking O'Shea (I think), and wasn't anywhere near Wilson or Fletcher when the move started.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 6, 2014 8:05:33 GMT
Wilsons reaction tells you everything you need to know about who should have been picking Fletcher up and it wasn't Ryan. Wilson reaction was feckIin Ryan where are you again, asleep while your man makes his run Now you're just being silly. Take a look at it again and watch the jostling before the kick is taken. Wilson is attempting to follow Fletcher at all times and he never once got "touch" tight to him and as he headed it Wilson was nowhere near him. It is clear as day for all to see as was the way he just gave up the ghost for the 3rd goal and made no attempt at all to get across the line of the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 8:39:51 GMT
Mark Bowen said in his Radio Stoke pre-match interview that the Sunderland team took them by surprise and they'd had to re-think corners and set pieces. Fair play to them, it didn't look like plans had been cobbled together at the last moment in the slightest. Nobody covered themselves in glory at Sunderland, but centre back looks an issue and should have been top of our list in the summer, especially if they had doubts about Huth's form, fitness, or whatever is keeping him out of the starting XI. Muniesa is fine but would probably be as prone to a lapse as Wilson is, as would Cameron. The decision not to pursue the likes of Lescott, Dawson or Caulker with any serious intent seemed odd at the time, and more so now.
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