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Post by jeycov on Sept 30, 2014 11:45:22 GMT
Wilson had a good game imo, and halted Newcastle in their tracks on many occasions
They may have scored from one or more of those opportunities! Who knows?
He also played with Muniesa alongside him, a different style of player to Pieters
MH thinks he's good enough to start, so we should trust his judgement
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Post by mcf on Sept 30, 2014 11:45:33 GMT
Wilson came in for Huth last year and more than found his feet.
We are fortunate that we have someone like Huth to come in if needed.
I'd hazard a guess that Hughes picks Wilson ahead of Huth as he is a better footballer than Huth, whereas Huth is a better defender more akin to Shawcross.
The balance between Shawcross and Wilson is a good one.
Why anyone finds the need to slag off any of our 3 defenders at the moment is a little bit beyond me.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 11:55:01 GMT
If they had got an undeserved point, ALL of the blame would have lain at the other end of the pitch. Again. No it wouldn't have.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2014 11:59:03 GMT
If they had got an undeserved point, ALL of the blame would have lain at the other end of the pitch. Again. No it wouldn't have. Of course it would. We were rancid in front of goal again. Teams at this level are always going to get a decent chance in 90 minutes, whether that be via an error or brilliance but we should have been out of sight again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2014 12:06:15 GMT
Of course it would. We were rancid in front of goal again. Teams at this level are always going to get a decent chance in 90 minutes, whether that be via an error or brilliance but we should have been out of sight again. There's no excuse for simple errors. Wilson continues to them. Errors vill not be tolerated! Both are issues and both exacerbate the other.
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 30, 2014 12:07:59 GMT
Next fucker to say "agenda" on here will be getting a fucking smack from Jacques Rougeau. My agenda is against Jacques Rougeau, I hate him.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2014 12:20:15 GMT
Next fucker to say "agenda" on here will be getting a fucking smack from Jacques Rougeau. My agenda is against Jacques Rougeau, I hate him. Oh great the Rougeau haters have arrived. FFS
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Post by lordb on Sept 30, 2014 12:23:55 GMT
Didn't know Huth couldn't run anymore.
Is that correct or pure speculation on Pugsleys part?
I like Wilson,good player,underated. I agree with the nit picking point. I'd still play Huth every time for the simple reason that Huth & Shawcross is a better pairing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2014 12:27:11 GMT
Of course it would. We were rancid in front of goal again. Teams at this level are always going to get a decent chance in 90 minutes, whether that be via an error or brilliance but we should have been out of sight again. There's no excuse for simple errors. Wilson continues to them. Errors vill not be tolerated! Both are issues and both exacerbate the other. Loads of errors by loads of players in every game, there were even errors after he gave the ball away last night before ginger spooned his chance. I personally thought Muniesa's evening was a mixture of utter brilliance and pure errors but for some reason he escapes the wrath.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 12:31:48 GMT
Of course it would. We were rancid in front of goal again. Teams at this level are always going to get a decent chance in 90 minutes, whether that be via an error or brilliance but we should have been out of sight again. But that doesn't absolve the defence of "ALL" (your words, not mine) responsibility does it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 12:31:59 GMT
Huth isn't coming back, especially coming back to his imperious colossus best of a few years back. i think most posters on here are just enjoying a welcome three points without trying to find faults but if you wish to push it i will say the huth/shawcross partnership was the best central defensive pair in the league.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 12:41:58 GMT
Huth isn't coming back, especially coming back to his imperious colossus best of a few years back. i think most posters on here are just enjoying a welcome three points without trying to find faults but if you wish to push it i will say the huth/shawcross partnership was the best central defensive pair in the league.
Utter rubbish.
Stats say our defence is second best in the league, yet Wilson and Bardsley are dog shit. Huth looked fucked in the half time kick about last night - I don't think people realise how bad an injury he has had.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 30, 2014 12:42:01 GMT
An on form Wilson is good but an on form Huth is better. Huth is more consistent and makes less mistakes and will return as soon as he is match fit thankfully. Don't hate Wilson but he isn't as good as Huth, if Huth doesn't return to full fitness I would assume we will seek a longer term replacement rather than use Wilson.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2014 13:58:27 GMT
There's no excuse for simple errors. Wilson continues to them. Errors vill not be tolerated! Both are issues and both exacerbate the other. Loads of errors by loads of players in every game, there were even errors after he gave the ball away last night before ginger spooned his chance. I personally thought Muniesa's evening was a mixture of utter brilliance and pure errors but for some reason he escapes the wrath. He just has a lovely knack of getting the ball by hook or by crook though, which I don't mind at all. His errors are little ones, Wilson's are usually catastrophic.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 30, 2014 14:21:24 GMT
Don't know who the hell was supposed to be marking Obertan last night , but he nearly changed the game last night. Was free down the right every time he got the ball, Muniesa seemed to be marking someone else all the time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 30, 2014 14:37:57 GMT
Wilson was fine last night, Pugs. No daft errors so nothing to discuss. Granted Assaidi's ridiculous throw in did little to help matters but I'm sure Colback hitting the bar came as a direct result of Wilson's piss poor pass/clearance. The bloke is an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately his regular mistake per game didn't cost us this time. If Huth is fit, I'd have him in the team in a heartbeat. I would also play Muniesa ahead of him regardless of our win and clean sheet last night.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 30, 2014 14:40:50 GMT
Wilson came in for Huth last year and more than found his feet. We are fortunate that we have someone like Huth to come in if needed. I'd hazard a guess that Hughes picks Wilson ahead of Huth as he is a better footballer than Huth, whereas Huth is a better defender more akin to Shawcross. The balance between Shawcross and Wilson is a good one. Why anyone finds the need to slag off any of our 3 defenders at the moment is a little bit beyond me. An interesting concept which completely ignores the fact that Shawcross is both a better defender and better footballer than Wilson. Shawcross doesn't make the defensive or distribution mistakes that blight almost every game Wilson plays.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2014 14:44:28 GMT
Wilson's piss poor clearance led to the Colbeck chance, but all in all he did well. I trust the manager to make the right call, eventually I'd like to see Muniesa slot into that left sided central defensive position.... Muniesa being nowhere near where he should have been lead to the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 14:46:18 GMT
Wilson's piss poor clearance led to the Colbeck chance, but all in all he did well. I trust the manager to make the right call, eventually I'd like to see Muniesa slot into that left sided central defensive position.... Muniesa being nowhere near where he should have been lead to the chance. Wilson should have put his foot through it, weak clearence but we got away with it so happy days....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2014 14:48:50 GMT
I agree mate, some people seem to believe that some Stoke players live in a perpetual Peter Pan world. Fuller was placed in the same category. Great player for us, of course he was but it's time to move on. Wilson makes one mistake and that's the deal breaker for some folk. Let's all get on Moses's back as well for his one mistake should we because had Colback scored then his miss would have cost us two points as well. Instead of continually sniping at 'easy' targets why not let's just get on with it and trust the Manager's judgement for a change. To be fair it's not about Wilson making one mistake last night though is it? I thought he did OK but generally he has been culpable for quite a few goals and chances for the opposition. He does his absolute best and he deserves great credit for that but he still doesn't look comfortable when defending. Going off what we can this season, Huth made plenty of mistakes, two in the sunderland game, one for the goal and one later on when he had to rag their player down, giving them a dangerous free kick, he doesn't look ready and clearly Hughes thinks the same, maybe he never will be, but in the mean time Wilson is doing well for me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2014 14:49:14 GMT
Wilson's piss poor clearance led to the Colbeck chance, but all in all he did well. I trust the manager to make the right call, eventually I'd like to see Muniesa slot into that left sided central defensive position.... Muniesa being nowhere near where he should have been lead to the chance. A theme of the evening if we are going to forensically analyse a good defensive display and chuck a bit of blame about.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2014 14:49:51 GMT
Muniesa being nowhere near where he should have been lead to the chance. Wilson should have put his foot through it, weak clearence but we got away with it so happy days.... There was plenty of chances to sort it out after that, so do we blame half the team, Shawcross messed up a clearance too should he be replaced
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 14:54:46 GMT
Wilson should have put his foot through it, weak clearence but we got away with it so happy days.... There was plenty of chances to sort it out after that, so do we blame half the team, Shawcross messed up a clearance too should he be replaced I never said he should be replaced, I just said his clearance was piss poor.......
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 30, 2014 14:57:09 GMT
I thought Huth looked great in the Cup game against Sunderland {granted it was a disrupted stream and the commentary was in Yonglu}. He was blowing at the end but that was understandable given the length of his lay off. I reckon our defensive frailties so far this season have come as a result of over complicating things in defence. Huth certainly ain't complicated. I was always under the impression that Huth was pretty quick out of the blocks when necessary, but his understanding of the game and the relationship with Ryan and Bego meant that he never really had to rely on that. We miss his presence at corners at both ends.
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Post by mcf on Sept 30, 2014 15:15:38 GMT
Wilson came in for Huth last year and more than found his feet. We are fortunate that we have someone like Huth to come in if needed. I'd hazard a guess that Hughes picks Wilson ahead of Huth as he is a better footballer than Huth, whereas Huth is a better defender more akin to Shawcross. The balance between Shawcross and Wilson is a good one. Why anyone finds the need to slag off any of our 3 defenders at the moment is a little bit beyond me. An interesting concept which completely ignores the fact that Shawcross is both a better defender and better footballer than Wilson. Shawcross doesn't make the defensive or distribution mistakes that blight almost every game Wilson plays. how can it ignore the concept of Shawcross being a better defender when I actually say that he's a better defender....!? idiot
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 15:18:22 GMT
I thought Huth looked great in the Cup game against Sunderland {granted it was a disrupted stream and the commentary was in Yonglu}. He was blowing at the end but that was understandable given the length of his lay off. I reckon our defensive frailties so far this season have come as a result of over complicating things in defence. Huth certainly ain't complicated. I was always under the impression that Huth was pretty quick out of the blocks when necessary, but his understanding of the game and the relationship with Ryan and Bego meant that he never really had to rely on that. We miss his presence at corners at both ends.
2nd best defence in the league = defensive frailties.
I'm missing something.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 15:20:57 GMT
Wilson was fine last night, Pugs. No daft errors so nothing to discuss. Granted Assaidi's ridiculous throw in did little to help matters but I'm sure Colback hitting the bar came as a direct result of Wilson's piss poor pass/clearance. The bloke is an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately his regular mistake per game didn't cost us this time. If Huth is fit, I'd have him in the team in a heartbeat. I would also play Muniesa ahead of him regardless of our win and clean sheet last night.
Well if your sure then it must be the case.
Shawcross was to blame as much as anyone.
It's a game of opinions granted, but the facts this season tell us we are strong defensively. The whole of the back four and the midfield two are doing a sound job.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 15:24:01 GMT
Wilson was fine last night, Pugs. No daft errors so nothing to discuss. Granted Assaidi's ridiculous throw in did little to help matters but I'm sure Colback hitting the bar came as a direct result of Wilson's piss poor pass/clearance. The bloke is an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately his regular mistake per game didn't cost us this time. If Huth is fit, I'd have him in the team in a heartbeat. I would also play Muniesa ahead of him regardless of our win and clean sheet last night. You know my thoughts on this mate. Ryan and Huth whenever possible for me.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 15:27:19 GMT
Granted Assaidi's ridiculous throw in did little to help matters but I'm sure Colback hitting the bar came as a direct result of Wilson's piss poor pass/clearance. The bloke is an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately his regular mistake per game didn't cost us this time. If Huth is fit, I'd have him in the team in a heartbeat. I would also play Muniesa ahead of him regardless of our win and clean sheet last night. You know my thoughts on this mate. Ryan and Huth whenever possible for me.
Huth and Ryan of two seasons ago yes. If Huth can prove he's back to that form and fitness then he should be playing. In the meantime Wilson is doing fine and doesn't warrant the stick he gets from the normally sensible posters plus the regular bell ends.
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Post by mcf on Sept 30, 2014 15:38:54 GMT
Granted Assaidi's ridiculous throw in did little to help matters but I'm sure Colback hitting the bar came as a direct result of Wilson's piss poor pass/clearance. The bloke is an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately his regular mistake per game didn't cost us this time. If Huth is fit, I'd have him in the team in a heartbeat. I would also play Muniesa ahead of him regardless of our win and clean sheet last night. You know my thoughts on this mate. Ryan and Huth whenever possible for me. I'd play them 2 as well as I think we need a greater threat from set pieces in the opposition box. There wouldn't be too much to call over any of the partnerships and the results prove that but it's pretty clear IMHO as to why Hughes prefers Wilson over Shawcross.....even if Johnno disagrees
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