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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 23:45:45 GMT
50 % of dole money is about £30,
A good bottle of champagne for a banker is £130,
Now let's consider the legal bill for one errant Islamist preacher extradited abroad to let's say Jordan....£2 million .
Now let's consider the legal bill for those terrorists returning home to this country from Syria and Iraq who the British government have said they will prosecute through the courts.
Now let's consider our poor ....
Bugger all left....Foodbank...Scumbag ...Idlearse..chav.
Bet you daren't say the same about those arriving on the 7 Pm flight arriving from Pakistani every Friday evening to Manchester...
It's only our native white population that's to blame.,
......or so we're told.
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Post by mcf on Oct 1, 2014 8:23:29 GMT
50 % of dole money is about £30, A good bottle of champagne for a banker is £130, Now let's consider the legal bill for one errant Islamist preacher extradited abroad to let's say Jordan....£2 million . Now let's consider the legal bill for those terrorists returning home to this country from Syria and Iraq who the British government have said they will prosecute through the courts. Now let's consider our poor .... Bugger all left....Foodbank...Scumbag ...Idlearse..chav. Bet you daren't say the same about those arriving on the 7 Pm flight arriving from Pakistani every Friday evening to Manchester... It's only our native white population that's to blame., ......or so we're told. Have you ever seen 'our poor' up close? Have you seen the way they live? Do you know any public health workers that spend time with some of these people? All the money in the world won't help these people. The obsession with bankers is daft. Why not compare our poor to starving Africans instead?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2014 12:21:07 GMT
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Post by mcf on Oct 1, 2014 12:42:07 GMT
Ed will still find fault...
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 1, 2014 13:00:19 GMT
Ed will still find fault... As will plenty of Stokies on here. It's little wonder the city can't drag itself out of the doldrums.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 1, 2014 13:26:39 GMT
Oh Dear Ed and Ed - all Labour had to offer was a tax on millionaires suddenly they are looking very stupid.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2014 14:11:26 GMT
Oh Dear Ed and Ed - all Labour had to offer was a tax on millionaires suddenly they are looking very stupid. labour are too busy thinking of the haves without thinking of the have nots
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:29:48 GMT
cannot understand this jizzfest over these proposals? how many people do you know who work 30 hours a week? or what about that other pisstake zero hours????? another bonus for the higher earners don't worry the poor will make up the shortfall.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2014 15:43:15 GMT
cannot understand this jizzfest over these proposals? how many people do you know who work 30 hours a week? or what about that other pisstake zero hours????? another bonus for the higher earners don't worry the poor will make up the shortfall. an extra £2500 a year for everyone regardless of how many hours you work for some working mothers who only work in school time that will take them out of income tax
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 1, 2014 16:09:01 GMT
cannot understand this jizzfest over these proposals? how many people do you know who work 30 hours a week? or what about that other pisstake zero hours????? another bonus for the higher earners don't worry the poor will make up the shortfall. an extra £2500 a year for everyone regardless of how many hours you work for some working mothers who only work in school time that will take them out of income tax Exactly it's roughly the equivalent of a tax free 30-35p an hour rise in the minimum wage for someone working fulltime.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:51:08 GMT
so explain then why they are dead set against raising the minimum wage to a living wage?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:53:40 GMT
empty promises count for nothing. its fine promising this and that but how is he going to finance this? what happened to the tory pledge to cut the national debt?[which is still rising under this useless coalition]
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 1, 2014 16:59:22 GMT
so explain then why they are dead set against raising the minimum wage to a living wage? Because it means the companies have to pay instead of just decreasing tax incomes or giving out less in credits. The Tories will do anything so that the companies don't have to pay more. Labour are the same This is the route of all the problems
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 1, 2014 17:06:38 GMT
empty promises count for nothing. its fine promising this and that but how is he going to finance this? what happened to the tory pledge to cut the national debt?[which is still rising under this useless coalition] To be fair the coalition did pledge (following on from the lib dem manifesto) to increase the personal allownace to £10k in this paliament, which they have done. That said increasing it by a furter £2,500- will result in take home pay going up by £500 per year. It probably won't be until the final year of the next parliament until this is achieved though and assuming that inflation is 2% for the next 5 years, about half of this increase will be swallowed up in increases in the cost of living. Certainly a step in the right direction but hardly party time. The next government would be better off ripping up income tax and NI rates (which has gone up to 12% during this parliament) and starting afresh.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 1, 2014 17:09:42 GMT
Most impressed with Camerons words on the NHS.
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Post by Northy on Oct 1, 2014 17:11:34 GMT
i will have to check my mathematics but i am not sure how a 50% tax rate for high earners will bring in less than a rate of 40% unless you swallowed the tory con that all the high earners will upsticks and leave the country? what complete utter horseshit, oh and as mp's are on the higher tax band they voted themselves a rise. It's more an understanding of how tax works rather than maths. This isn't about people on £150k a year this is about the superich they can avoid tax by just leaving their money in companies and not taking dividends or just becoming non resident for uk tax purposes. and so can a self employed person, gets paid £500 a month and the rest in dividends, allowances etc. tax free
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 1, 2014 17:24:47 GMT
Most impressed with Camerons words on the NHS. Which words were they then?
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Post by elsidibe on Oct 1, 2014 17:26:22 GMT
50 % of dole money is about £30, A good bottle of champagne for a banker is £130, Now let's consider the legal bill for one errant Islamist preacher extradited abroad to let's say Jordan....£2 million . Now let's consider the legal bill for those terrorists returning home to this country from Syria and Iraq who the British government have said they will prosecute through the courts. Now let's consider our poor .... Bugger all left....Foodbank...Scumbag ...Idlearse..chav. Bet you daren't say the same about those arriving on the 7 Pm flight arriving from Pakistani every Friday evening to Manchester... It's only our native white population that's to blame., ......or so we're told. You make an absolutely valid central point - that the mainly white traditional working classes of this country have been badly let down and are routinely scapegoated. However you undermine it by including completely irrelevant references to Muslims. You therefore play directly into the hands of all those grey-suited politicians who want nothing but to divide and rule. The very same politicians, in fact, who are entirely to blame for creating today's neglected underclass through decades of mismanagement at both national and local levels.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2014 17:30:39 GMT
Most impressed with Camerons words on the NHS. Which words were they then? Was wondering the same myself..
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 1, 2014 17:35:29 GMT
Most impressed with Camerons words on the NHS. Which words were they then? Where he spoke from his own personal circumstances and criticised the Labour smears. I think everyone can agree that spending on the NHS was pretty high at 2010. Depending which way you look at it you can argue that it's gone up by a tiny fraction or gone down by a tiny fraction since then. Either way it remains pretty high. So why does Ed keep saying thay we need a Labour government to safeguard the NHS. Anyone living in Staffordshire who believes that shite (following Stafford hospital) needs their head read.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2014 17:37:26 GMT
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/01/david-cameron-tax-pledges-graphs_n_5912072.html?1412167530worth reading... David Cameron revealed today that the Tories plan to fight the next general election on a tax-cutting platform, as he unveiled two major pledges at the party's annual conference in Birmingham. Telling delegates that he would "build a Britain that everyone is proud to call home", the Prime Minister promised to raise the income tax allowance from £10,500 to £12,500, and increase the threshold at which the 40p tax threshold kicks in from £41,900 to £50.000. Despite Cameron's insistence that these pledges were aimed at "hard-working" households and would benefit around 30m people across the UK, expert analysis suggests these tax giveaways would, in fact, help the rich much more than the poor - or, for that matter, the 'squeezed middle'. The Tories say their tax cuts would cost just over £7 billion a year by 2020, suggesting - in response to critcism that the cuts are "unfunded" - that they would be paid for with public spending cuts and greater economic growth coming through. However, former Treasury official James Dowling, now director at FleishmanHillard, told HuffPostUK that far fewer people will "actually feel the fruits" of the Tories' tax cuts than suggested as they would come in after the deficit is cleared, which is set to be around 2018. "The Tories have been briefing that this would only take place after the deficit is cleared (around 2018), and would cost around £5.5bn/annum," he explained. "These numbers indicate how few people will actually see the benefit of the rise – a fraction of the 4.3m higher rate tax payers." The respected Institute for Fiscal Studies showed in their Green Budget publication this year that just 15% of the gains from increasing the personal allowance would benefit the poorest half of Britons, concluding: "There are better ways to help the low paid via the tax and benefit system." Meanwhile, Tom Papworth, associate director of economic policy at the liberal think-tank CentreForum told HuffPostUK: "Raising the threshold for the 40p rate cuts taxes for the richest people outside the top 10% of earners. It does nothing for middle earners. "
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2014 17:40:08 GMT
Which words were they then? Where he spoke from his own personal circumstances and criticised the Labour smears. I think everyone can agree that spending on the NHS was pretty high at 2010. Depending which way you look at it you can argue that it's gone up by a tiny fraction or gone down by a tiny fraction since then. Either way it remains pretty high. So why does Ed keep saying thay we need a Labour government to safeguard the NHS. Anyone living in Staffordshire who believes that shite (following Stafford hospital) needs their head read. Because it was the coalition that brought in the Health Act which essentially lines up the NHS to be chopped up and sold off to private corporations. Sadly started by a Labour government to my eternal shame but accelerated under this lot.
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 1, 2014 17:46:33 GMT
Which words were they then? Where he spoke from his own personal circumstances and criticised the Labour smears. I think everyone can agree that spending on the NHS was pretty high at 2010. Depending which way you look at it you can argue that it's gone up by a tiny fraction or gone down by a tiny fraction since then. Either way it remains pretty high. So why does Ed keep saying thay we need a Labour government to safeguard the NHS. Anyone living in Staffordshire who believes that shite (following Stafford hospital) needs their head read. You believe Cameron then, fair enough. I was just wondering which bit of his speach managed to pull the wool over your eyes. Cameron talking about the NHS being safe in the Tories hands is straight out of 1984. Double speak. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoublespeakVery fashionable at the moment. Labour are exactly the same, as are UKIP as are the Libs.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 1, 2014 17:50:54 GMT
It's more an understanding of how tax works rather than maths. This isn't about people on £150k a year this is about the superich they can avoid tax by just leaving their money in companies and not taking dividends or just becoming non resident for uk tax purposes. and so can a self employed person, gets paid £500 a month and the rest in dividends, allowances etc. tax free You're right there is some tax savings for any self employed person or a person paying themselves through a company but my understanding is the payments you mention would still be taxable subject to personal allowances and unlike say someone like Alan Sugar your average self employed person couldn't just not take any payment for a tax year or two or three.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 1, 2014 17:56:00 GMT
Where he spoke from his own personal circumstances and criticised the Labour smears. I think everyone can agree that spending on the NHS was pretty high at 2010. Depending which way you look at it you can argue that it's gone up by a tiny fraction or gone down by a tiny fraction since then. Either way it remains pretty high. So why does Ed keep saying thay we need a Labour government to safeguard the NHS. Anyone living in Staffordshire who believes that shite (following Stafford hospital) needs their head read. Because it was the coalition that brought in the Health Act which essentially lines up the NHS to be chopped up and sold off to private corporations. Sadly started by a Labour government to my eternal shame but accelerated under this lot. Sorry but you are talking rubbish it was Labour that privatised GP practices and also insured we now pay 8 times more to rent the new hospitals than it would of cost to own and rent them.
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 1, 2014 18:03:59 GMT
Because it was the coalition that brought in the Health Act which essentially lines up the NHS to be chopped up and sold off to private corporations. Sadly started by a Labour government to my eternal shame but accelerated under this lot. Sorry but you are talking rubbish it was Labour that privatised GP practices and also insured we now pay 8 times more to rent the new hospitals than it would of cost to own and rent them. Indeed it was. Makes the Labour parties words seem somewhat empty when they claim to be a gaudian of the NHS. But The Tories....... they seem to think every bit of it is theirs to sell off to their mates whilst orchastrating a media blackout. For somebody to even think of believing their claims now means that they have done their job very well, how depressing. As for them PFI contracts, 70% interest rate i think is the average. Probably could have sorted a better deal out with Wonga. Whoever signed them off should be arrested.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2014 18:36:13 GMT
Because it was the coalition that brought in the Health Act which essentially lines up the NHS to be chopped up and sold off to private corporations. Sadly started by a Labour government to my eternal shame but accelerated under this lot. Sorry but you are talking rubbish it was Labour that privatised GP practices and also insured we now pay 8 times more to rent the new hospitals than it would of cost to own and rent them. I'm not talking rubbish at all am I? You've just repeated what I've said.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 1, 2014 19:16:53 GMT
Where he spoke from his own personal circumstances and criticised the Labour smears. I think everyone can agree that spending on the NHS was pretty high at 2010. Depending which way you look at it you can argue that it's gone up by a tiny fraction or gone down by a tiny fraction since then. Either way it remains pretty high. So why does Ed keep saying thay we need a Labour government to safeguard the NHS. Anyone living in Staffordshire who believes that shite (following Stafford hospital) needs their head read. You believe Cameron then, fair enough. I was just wondering which bit of his speach managed to pull the wool over your eyes. Cameron talking about the NHS being safe in the Tories hands is straight out of 1984. Double speak. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoublespeakVery fashionable at the moment. Labour are exactly the same, as are UKIP as are the Libs. The point I was trying to make is that there is practically no difference between the parties on the NHS and for one of them to try and pretend that the NHS is only safe in their hands is a joke. As you say the parties are mainly the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 19:31:16 GMT
And you believe him? Like with his promise of a European referendum "if a Conservative government is elected in 2010". Hmmmmm I remember not so long ago, you saying on here how you weren't fooled by tax bribes for votes, when Osborne produced a few during one of his autumn statements! I remember thinking at the time let's see what happens when they all come tumbling forth before the election! How ready some folk are to be taken in when election time comes around, eh!
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2014 19:46:05 GMT
And you believe him? Like with his promise of a European referendum "if a Conservative government is elected in 2010". Hmmmmm I remember not so long ago, you saying on here how you weren't fooled by tax bribes for votes, when Osborne produced a few during one of his autumn statements! I remember thinking at the time let's see what happens when they all come tumbling forth before the election! How ready some folk are to be taken in when election time comes around, eh! considering they took on the lib pledge to raise it til £10k I can give him the benefit of the doubt. Labours mansion tax won't make me better off, nor their pledge for the 50p rate
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