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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 8:14:08 GMT
Do you believe that this is not genuine then ? What I'm saying is the recent past has taught me much...mainly to trust no one anymore, particularly politicians and the establishment. I still remember many on here citing starkiller as a "nutjob" when he highlighted the Saville scandal. All I'd ask is for people to open their eyes. And yes that image from the mail from the initial link is clearly photoshopped. It was already in the Media before he said anything about the alleged crimes. TEST
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Post by starkiller on Sept 14, 2014 8:46:23 GMT
What I'm saying is the recent past has taught me much...mainly to trust no one anymore, particularly politicians and the establishment. I still remember many on here citing starkiller as a "nutjob" when he highlighted the Saville scandal. All I'd ask is for people to open their eyes. And yes that image from the mail from the initial link is clearly photoshopped. It was already in the Media before he said anything about the alleged crimes. TEST Ahem... oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/177629/rip-sir-jimmy-savile
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 14, 2014 9:16:35 GMT
The photoshopping proves nothing either way. Any Jihadist with half a brain (I think that's an apt description of them) will want to disguise the location of the execution.
I too believe that there are vested interests that will benefit financially from the conflict, but looking for holes in post production to justify a case, is pointless and self defeating.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 14, 2014 10:45:19 GMT
Those who planned to watch this will be disappointed...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 11:19:03 GMT
Thing that makes me question Starkiller's argument is that the supposed jihadists in these videos all state that the hostages were executed in retaliation to Obama/Cameron's promises "to arm Depeche Mode to fight against ISIS". If the puppet leaders of the NWO really wanted to perpetuate war in these territories, don't you think they'd be arming and training proper insurgents and not synth bands? I suppose their wearing of leather chaps might stir things up a bit with the Islamicists but the presence of Dave Gahan and Martin Gore is hardly going to cause enough instability in the region to justify overt military action and further the military industrial complex is it? I suggest you do more research before posting your conspiracy theories Mr Starkiller. I think this might scare and confuse those Muslamics quite a lot, you know. Great tactics from the west on this one.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 14, 2014 11:39:21 GMT
Some of the comments, sad but utterly predictable, by starkiller and allahsleftfoot are no better than Nazi scum who deny the Holocaust happened (and what's happening out there IS a Holocaust).
I think Admin should consider a ban as their views are a disgrace and an insult to people like David Haines and their families.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 14, 2014 11:40:23 GMT
Those who planned to watch this will be disappointed... You've reached a new low. Well done
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Post by sorethumbs on Sept 14, 2014 11:47:01 GMT
I hanker for the olden days when we used to moan about why France paid less for butter than we do Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 12:33:06 GMT
Some of the comments, sad but utterly predictable, by starkiller and allahsleftfoot are no better than Nazi scum who deny the Holocaust happened (and what's happening out there IS a Holocaust). I think Admin should consider a ban as their views are a disgrace and an insult to people like David Haines and their families. Starkiller's point is to make you question the authenticity of this report. OK, he has a particular way of doing this which is not to everyone's taste, and quite counter-productive in my view, but that's his way. Every ten years or so the West "finds itself" (and I use that phrase deliberately) in another war against someone or other, usually fighting against weapons that have been sold to them by the west itself and often in countries the west has been at pains to destabilise for many years previously. This doesn't strike me as a coincidence. It wouldn't be the first time that apparently genuine reports of atrocities have been subsequently shown to be exaggerated, modified or just plain false. Only just over a decade ago we were apparently capable of being attacked by Iraq with WMDs within 45 minutes remember. Complete bullshit as it turned out. Yet it helped to convince a sceptical public, by and large, that going to war was the right thing to do. In contrast, and probably because the WMD nonsense got exposed, the public made it quite clear recently that there was no support for military action in Syria in conflict with what David Cameron wanted. That being the case, it's quite obvious that, at the very least, public opinion needed to change to make any military action more likely to be endorsed by parliament. If ever you think the public would not be manipulated like that, think again! On the domestic front, investigate the Zinoviev Letter. It goes on, you know, and being sceptical is a sensible approach to take. For the record, RIP anyone, civilian, press or combatant killed in these pointless and avoidable conflicts.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 14, 2014 13:14:40 GMT
Some of the comments, sad but utterly predictable, by starkiller and allahsleftfoot are no better than Nazi scum who deny the Holocaust happened (and what's happening out there IS a Holocaust). I think Admin should consider a ban as their views are a disgrace and an insult to people like David Haines and their families. So a ban should be in order for those who don't enter a state of hypnosis everytime the BBC (proven liars) News drumbeat gets going, or when Cameron (proven liar) or Obama (proven liar) speaks? So if this isis group, or whatever they're called this week, is legit and have been making the advancements they have, why would they purposely jeopardise everything by provoking the wrath of the most powerful militaries on earth through these beheadings, knowing full well by doing so their days will be nearly at an end? Rhetorical question but for those that need it spelling out - the excuse for war is needed like this, for example ... web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.htmlIn addition, we have the convenience of the person responsible being British - justifying every new restriction on liberties in the UK, AND the convenience of the victim being Scottish during the week of the Independence vote. And a speech that pushes every emotional button to get the public riled up to support more invasion, bombing and slaughter (because that obviously is the only action to take and has a great record of working). The beheadings could be legit but they are war propaganda beheadings ultimately orchestrated by the same war machine that sheds no tears over who is killed as long as its wheels keep turning. It's a hollywood script... leave your brain at the door. Only these scripts have millions of real-life innocent casualties, who just want the same things in life you do. Love, families and a quality of life ... And remember we are controlled by a system that simply would not work without perpetual war, slaughter and destruction. Grasp the simple fact that real peace is not profitable to these cunts and maybe one day things might change. Ignore it and expect the process and methods to repeat ad infinitum, with no hope of there ever being peace...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 14, 2014 13:17:08 GMT
Some of the comments, sad but utterly predictable, by starkiller and allahsleftfoot are no better than Nazi scum who deny the Holocaust happened (and what's happening out there IS a Holocaust). I think Admin should consider a ban as their views are a disgrace and an insult to people like David Haines and their families. For what exactly....asking serious questions concerning the veracity of reporting? Words fail me....
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 14, 2014 13:20:09 GMT
Thing that makes me question Starkiller's argument is that the supposed jihadists in these videos all state that the hostages were executed in retaliation to Obama/Cameron's promises "to arm Depeche Mode to fight against ISIS". If the puppet leaders of the NWO really wanted to perpetuate war in these territories, don't you think they'd be arming and training proper insurgents and not synth bands? I suppose their wearing of leather chaps might stir things up a bit with the Islamicists but the presence of Dave Gahan and Martin Gore is hardly going to cause enough instability in the region to justify overt military action and further the military industrial complex is it? I suggest you do more research before posting your conspiracy theories Mr Starkiller. I think this might scare and confuse those Muslamics quite a lot, you know. Great tactics from the west on this one. Good old Kirk Brandon Whatever happened to Spear of Destiny?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 14, 2014 14:39:12 GMT
Some of the comments, sad but utterly predictable, by starkiller and allahsleftfoot are no better than Nazi scum who deny the Holocaust happened (and what's happening out there IS a Holocaust). I think Admin should consider a ban as their views are a disgrace and an insult to people like David Haines and their families. Starkiller's point is to make you question the authenticity of this report. OK, he has a particular way of doing this which is not to everyone's taste, and quite counter-productive in my view, but that's his way. Every ten years or so the West "finds itself" (and I use that phrase deliberately) in another war against someone or other, usually fighting against weapons that have been sold to them by the west itself and often in countries the west has been at pains to destabilise for many years previously. This doesn't strike me as a coincidence. It wouldn't be the first time that apparently genuine reports of atrocities have been subsequently shown to be exaggerated, modified or just plain false. Only just over a decade ago we were apparently capable of being attacked by Iraq with WMDs within 45 minutes remember. Complete bullshit as it turned out. Yet it helped to convince a sceptical public, by and large, that going to war was the right thing to do. In contrast, and probably because the WMD nonsense got exposed, the public made it quite clear recently that there was no support for military action in Syria in conflict with what David Cameron wanted. That being the case, it's quite obvious that, at the very least, public opinion needed to change to make any military action more likely to be endorsed by parliament. If ever you think the public would not be manipulated like that, think again! On the domestic front, investigate the Zinoviev Letter. It goes on, you know, and being sceptical is a sensible approach to take. For the record, RIP anyone, civilian, press or combatant killed in these pointless and avoidable conflicts. This thread is reminding me of George W. Bush's statement of your either "with us or against us", and it's disappointing that you felt the need to distance yourself from the atrocities IS have committed. As ever, truth has been the first casualty here and it's sad how normally rational people have become so polarised so easily.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 14, 2014 15:51:48 GMT
Are you for real ? Do you believe that these atrocious murders are not genuine and are justified ......are these victims still alive then in your opinion ? ....are they all staged managed for the benefit of the world's media. ?.....I hope that you are correct .... Even if all the killings are genuine, those responsible are armed and trained by secret operatives and are using US weapons. Then again, the Foley footage is acknowledge as being doctored (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html) and he actually died a year ago (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2733608/Vein-matching-identify-Jihadi-John-British-spies-use-footage-bare-hands-net-closes-James-Foley-s-murderer-experts-warn-Briton-NOT-killer.html). Is it not then reasonable to doubt what we're being fed? And tell me is it possible to write a script to be read out that pushes the emotional buttons more to get the public to back more war/invasion/slaughter/destruction/takeover? It's like a Hollywood script, with perfect timing. Perpetual war is an absolute necessity for the mentalists who run the world and it's economy. So don't go looking for peace from our supposed leaders. Apparently, I should hang my head in shame because I look beyond the BBC News drumbeat soundbites. I doubt anyone has any issue with watching the news with a cynical eye, but if all you try to do is come up with conspiracy theories for every single news event, then frankly you end up looking a bit of a plank. Sticking by your principles is one thing but trying to spin the news to fit in with your twisted vision of the world/country means that when something is genuinely wrong (Saville), nobody listens.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 14, 2014 15:54:54 GMT
Even from that photo it's a dreadful attempt at photoshop. Was this poor bloke even cold before you start with the usual? Which of the other victims was it that you tried to say wasn't even beheaded?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:33:07 GMT
Or what a load of bollocks. Do you believe that this is not genuine then ? I am thoroughly ashamed and disgusted at some of the cowardly treasonous shitbags that post on here . I seen 5 year olds with more fucking sense. The murder of a decent civilian is almost mocked and cast as dubious.... Nutjobs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:02:10 GMT
Do you believe that this is not genuine then ? I am thoroughly ashamed and disgusted at some of the cowardly treasonous shitbags that post on here . I seen 5 year olds with more fucking sense. The murder of a decent civilian is almost mocked and cast as dubious.... Nutjobs. It's almost beyond belief isn't it ?
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Post by desman2 on Sept 14, 2014 18:17:54 GMT
Its the PC way. Islamics decapitate people and its always someone elses fault.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 14, 2014 20:21:52 GMT
Do you believe that this is not genuine then ? I am thoroughly ashamed and disgusted at some of the cowardly treasonous shitbags that post on here . I seen 5 year olds with more fucking sense. The murder of a decent civilian is almost mocked and cast as dubious.... Nutjobs. Mocked...no? Have a word with yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 20:22:56 GMT
So i was correct then? May i ask what your employment status is? and if you are in work what is your profession? Not relevant i know, just curious?? TEST
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 14, 2014 20:23:08 GMT
Its the PC way. Islamics decapitate people and its always someone elses fault. In this instance it is our fault, yours and mine for electing the idiots who've got us into this mess. Tough to swallow but there it is.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2014 20:32:00 GMT
Its the PC way. Islamics decapitate people and its always someone elses fault. In this instance it is our fault, yours and mine for electing the idiots who've got us into this mess. Tough to swallow but there it is. Horseshit Nothing justifies putting bombs on the tube Nothing justifies crashing planes into buildings Nothing justifies beheading a young soldier in the street Nothing justifies beheading journalists to prove a point There may be a lot wrong with foreign policy but for a so called peaceful religion nothing justifies these heinous crimes from a minority in the name of Islam
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 20:46:41 GMT
In this instance it is our fault, yours and mine for electing the idiots who've got us into this mess. Tough to swallow but there it is. Horseshit Nothing justifies putting bombs on the tube Nothing justifies crashing planes into buildings Nothing justifies beheading a young soldier in the street Nothing justifies beheading journalists to prove a point There may be a lot wrong with foreign policy but for a so called peaceful religion nothing justifies these heinous crimes from a minority in the name of Islam TEST Hear Here.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 14, 2014 20:54:05 GMT
In this instance it is our fault, yours and mine for electing the idiots who've got us into this mess. Tough to swallow but there it is. Horseshit Nothing justifies putting bombs on the tube Nothing justifies crashing planes into buildings Nothing justifies beheading a young soldier in the street Nothing justifies beheading journalists to prove a point There may be a lot wrong with foreign policy but for a so called peaceful religion nothing justifies these heinous crimes from a minority in the name of Islam I never said it was justified did I? Ever.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2014 21:07:34 GMT
you are blaming us.
It's not our fault a minority of Muslims but In itself a significant number are carrying out these crimes
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Post by starkiller on Sept 14, 2014 21:09:51 GMT
So i was correct then? May i ask what your employment status is? and if you are in work what is your profession? Not relevant i know, just curious?? TEST No, you weren't correct - the thread was his RIP thread. Yes, I am in full-time work, as I always have been.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2014 21:18:05 GMT
To be fair, someone got it before you on that thread
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 14, 2014 21:19:58 GMT
you are blaming us. It's not our fault a minority of Muslims but In itself a significant number are carrying out these crimes I am blaming you..me, all of us for voting in idiots and warmongers, who sell weapons to these organisations as friends and then slaughter them when they become enemies. Again I never said it justifies the atrocities, so please don't misquote me or misrepresent my views. There will be no peace in this world until the likes of you and I and everyone else kick these idiots out of power.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 14, 2014 21:24:48 GMT
you are blaming us. It's not our fault a minority of Muslims but In itself a significant number are carrying out these crimes I am blaming you..me, all of us for voting in idiots and warmongers, who sell weapons to these organisations as friends and then slaughter them when they become enemies. Again I never said it justifies the atrocities, so please don't misquote me or misrepresent my views. There will be no peace in this world until the likes of you and I and everyone else kick these idiots out of power. And vote who into power exactly?
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Post by starkiller on Sept 14, 2014 21:27:40 GMT
you are blaming us. It's not our fault a minority of Muslims but In itself a significant number are carrying out these crimes I'm not bothering to go over old ground but no-one is blaming you. There are plenty of nutcase Muslims. What makes some of them worse is training, funding, and arming by western secret service operatives as a pretext for war and invasion. So you have a combination of secret service agents and pissed off extremist Muslims. The same shit-stirring blueprint has been used numerous times for years. War is necessary for the war-machine economy. "News" reports outrageous acts (real or staged) and, once again, the duped public back the latest invasion, slaughter and mineral-theft campaign somewhere in the middle east. What the controlled "news" fails to report is the secret service sticky fingers over so much of it, it's ridiculous. War-machine lying puppets such as Cameron and Obama carry out their masters bidding, knowing full-well that peace is not the objective. It cannot be for a war based economy. What's important is destabilising and balkanising a whole region, creating or infiltrating new factions and groups so you have the excuse to go in again, and again, and again. Endless war, exactly as in 1984, is a reality. All the world's a stage.
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