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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:53:00 GMT
I believe you but find it difficult to fathom. However we got him for Leeds , so it's reasonable, considering their questionable history. Still, he did the business. Come on, Pulis played a massive part in our promotion from the day he walked into the club. He demanded progress throughout his time at the club, and pushed us on and off the pitch. One of my fondest memories wasn't just the promotion season, but finally signing players I had actually heard of, which hadn't been the case for the most part of my Stoke City supporting career. Lee Mills? Heard of him. Mark Crossley? Yup. Gerry Taggart? Isn't he hard as fuck. Bliss. Take it for granted now. He did, I never overly liked him though.....still don't really. Booo, hiiiiss I know but fuck it I don't! And it's always nagged me....would we have won the league with him up front? Not that it matters but that nag is there. He did and no one is denying that! I don't know if he demanded progress or it was just the plan, the backing suggests to me it was the plan. Where did the plan emanate from? We have no idea! Patrick Berger was my "favourite" name, he was fucking awful, but what a name!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2014 20:55:01 GMT
He doesn't get any credit from a fair proportion though does he?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 20:55:46 GMT
He spent 100M on turning us into the lowest scoring team in England with an ageing squad that had a resale value of a fifth of what he paid for it. Crowds were dropping from full houses to struggling to sell out for the big teams at 3pm on a Saturday.
We now are virtually selling out against teams like Leicester at home.
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Post by outspaced on Sept 12, 2014 20:56:29 GMT
Richard Cresswell on 19k per week. And he never thought of having a nose job.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 21:01:15 GMT
He doesn't get any credit from a fair proportion though does he? I think he does from the vast majority.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 21:04:56 GMT
He doesn't get any credit from a fair proportion though does he? I think he does from the vast majority. Certainly from anybody worth their salt
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 12, 2014 21:05:06 GMT
Anybody could have kept Palace up last year with the start they had.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 21:07:28 GMT
Anybody could have kept Palace up last year with the start they had. Well no, that's completely different....
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 21:07:52 GMT
I believe you but find it difficult to fathom. However we got him for Leeds , so it's reasonable, considering their questionable history. Still, he did the business. Come on, Pulis played a massive part in our promotion from the day he walked into the club. He demanded progress throughout his time at the club, and pushed us on and off the pitch. One of my fondest memories wasn't just the promotion season, but finally signing players I had actually heard of, which hadn't been the case for the most part of my Stoke City supporting career. Lee Mills? Heard of him. Mark Crossley? Yup. Gerry Taggart? Isn't he hard as fuck. Bliss. Take it for granted now. He did, I never overly liked him though.....still don't really. Booo, hiiiiss I know but fuck it I don't! And it's always nagged me....would we have won the league with him up front? Not that it matters but that nag is there. He did and no one is denying that! I don't know if he demanded progress or it was just the plan, the backing suggests to me it was the plan. Where did the plan emanate from? We have no idea! Patrick Berger was my "favourite" name, he was fucking awful, but what a name! Both a plan and progress. Getting changed in a porta cabin and all that. A bit of truth in what you say. He was in new territory going into the Premier League, so all the stuff about the off the pitch facilities would have been planned by Coates as well. He probably didn't have the knowledge of what it took to make the transition, at the time. I've always liked the bloke. Very honest but so very stubborn. I do believe he is a manger who will continually improve as he gets the experience. Palace played some good stuff last season, and I imagine he's learnt some lessons from his time here. The most interesting incident out of all of this, which hasn't been mentioned much on this board, is his dossier for taking Stoke forward he wrote a couple of months before he left. Taking advantage of the German market, and the 'money ball ' strategy we seem to be now using.
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Post by generationex on Sept 12, 2014 21:10:30 GMT
There really are some ungrateful bastards in Stoke. Would it kill you to give credit where it's due?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 21:10:55 GMT
In years to come this petty nonsense will become redundant.
Time will be kind to our Tone. The most successful manager we've ever had?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 21:13:52 GMT
He did, I never overly liked him though.....still don't really. Booo, hiiiiss I know but fuck it I don't! And it's always nagged me....would we have won the league with him up front? Not that it matters but that nag is there. He did and no one is denying that! I don't know if he demanded progress or it was just the plan, the backing suggests to me it was the plan. Where did the plan emanate from? We have no idea! Patrick Berger was my "favourite" name, he was fucking awful, but what a name! Both a plan and progress. Getting changed in a porta cabin and all that. A bit of truth in what you say. He was in new territory going into the Premier League, so all the stuff about the off the pitch facilities would have been planned by Coates as well. He probably didn't have the knowledge of what it took to make the transition, at the time. I've always liked the bloke. Very honest but so very stubborn. I do believe he is a manger who will continually improve as he gets the experience. Palace played some good stuff last season, and I imagine he's learnt some lessons from his time here. The most interesting incident out of all of this, which hasn't been mentioned much on this board, is his dossier for taking Stoke forward he wrote a couple of months before he left. Taking advantage of the German market, and the 'money ball ' strategy we seem to be now using. Indeed and I was told by someone at the club (high up) that training ground was being built for the academy and not the first team, that was just a nice benefit.... And I aren't just saying that, it's what I was told, it pleased me greatly at the time (2008/9ish). And in hindsight shows some differneces between the high level football and backroom people at the club. Did he really have one? I don't buy it, from about February he knew he was being sacked imo and I said it along. His interviews were of a bloke pleading and begging to keep his job and I aren't saying that in hindsight! I think he would have said anything to keep his job here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 21:15:42 GMT
In years to come this petty nonsense will become redundant. Time will be kind to our Tone. The most successful manager we've ever had? Second for me, he never won anything, the ultimate sign of success.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2014 21:22:35 GMT
Respect is due to Pulis but his methods were abhorrent to many. You can't argue with his record but you can't argue that he blew a lot of money on bang average players and since the Cup Final we were going backwards.
Certainly a SCFC legend, just not liked by most fans.
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 21:22:47 GMT
His transfer dealings in the last season did seem desperate, and his time at the club had run its course.
However, the dossier makes interesting reading. It was reasoned and well thought out. Whether it was written due to other peoples new thinking is up for debate. I lean towards him being the most influential in this new strategy,considering his achievements.
Very interesting, considering we are more or less using this blue print these last two seasons, and to great effect.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2014 21:26:21 GMT
He doesn't get any credit from a fair proportion though does he? Because a fair proportion do not like him. A fact that some on here find hard to believe despite all the evidence pointing that way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 21:27:33 GMT
Really? Over the bloke who had numerous contacts in Germany and through no doing of his saw TP sacked 6 months after his arrival? Cartwright is the driver of this imo, Tone has never showed an inkling to the foreign markets bar sodding America!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 21:30:20 GMT
He did, I never overly liked him though.....still don't really. Booo, hiiiiss I know but fuck it I don't! And it's always nagged me....would we have won the league with him up front? Not that it matters but that nag is there. He did and no one is denying that! I don't know if he demanded progress or it was just the plan, the backing suggests to me it was the plan. Where did the plan emanate from? We have no idea! Patrick Berger was my "favourite" name, he was fucking awful, but what a name! Both a plan and progress. Getting changed in a porta cabin and all that. A bit of truth in what you say. He was in new territory going into the Premier League, so all the stuff about the off the pitch facilities would have been planned by Coates as well. He probably didn't have the knowledge of what it took to make the transition, at the time. I've always liked the bloke. Very honest but so very stubborn. I do believe he is a manger who will continually improve as he gets the experience. Palace played some good stuff last season, and I imagine he's learnt some lessons from his time here. The most interesting incident out of all of this, which hasn't been mentioned much on this board, is his dossier for taking Stoke forward he wrote a couple of months before he left. Taking advantage of the German market, and the 'money ball ' strategy we seem to be now using. He had years and pots of money to implement something like that here and chose not to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 21:30:27 GMT
In years to come this petty nonsense will become redundant. Time will be kind to our Tone. The most successful manager we've ever had? Second for me, he never won anything, the ultimate sign of success. I agree on the winning aspect mate. I just missed the Waddington era so Pulis gets my vote.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 21:31:58 GMT
His transfer dealings in the last season did seem desperate, and his time at the club had run its course. However, the dossier makes interesting reading. It was reasoned and well thought out. Whether it was written due to other peoples new thinking is up for debate. I lean towards him being the most influential in this new strategy,considering his achievements. Very interesting, considering we are more or less using this blue print these last two seasons, and to great effect. Do you really buy he had one?
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 21:36:37 GMT
He wrote the thing, didn't he?
Anyone got a link?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 21:37:41 GMT
He wrote the thing, didn't he? Anyone got a link? He said he did. Do you really think he had one? Wasn't much evidence of it at Palace was there?
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Post by Davef on Sept 12, 2014 21:38:47 GMT
He wrote the thing, didn't he? Anyone got a link? A link to what? Tony's dossier? You just said it was reasoned and well thought out. You've seen it then?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2014 21:40:24 GMT
He wrote the thing, didn't he? Anyone got a link? A link to what? Tony's dossier? You just said it was reasoned and well thought out. You've seen it then? He must have or he wouldn't have credited Pulis for our best ever goals, points and finish in the PL. Indoctrination runs deep.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 21:42:48 GMT
What dossier??
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 21:42:56 GMT
A link to what? Tony's dossier? You just said it was reasoned and well thought out. You've seen it then? He must have or he wouldn't have credited Pulis for our best ever goals, points and finish in the PL. Indoctrination runs deep. Scary isn't it?
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 21:47:59 GMT
The dossier that appeared in the papers a month after he went!
Hold on, let me see if. I can get a link.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 21:49:45 GMT
The dossier that appeared in the papers a month after he went! Hold on, let me see if. I can get a link. It was reported he had one in the papers. We don't know anything more than that do we? Fair to say it can be taken with a pinch of salt given we played more or less the same way for a decade under him and his Palace strategy was essentially the best parts of that as well?
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2014 21:52:42 GMT
Second for me, he never won anything, the ultimate sign of success. I agree on the winning aspect mate. I just missed the Waddington era so Pulis gets my vote. I experienced both from start to finish and TP gets my vote.
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 21:56:10 GMT
It appeared in the Sun (no sniggering)' but was printed word for word about his vision in taking the club forward. He wrote about copying the German model with 'money ball' being the prevailing influence.Really interesting read.
Can't believe some of you haven't seen it.
Just tried to get the link, but don't have access to the Sun online. Obviously.
Type in 'Tony Pulis blueprint for the future of Stoke.'
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