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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 12, 2014 20:08:28 GMT
You do know we wouldn't be in the prem now if it were'nt for Coates ?? Edited. Pulis was the manager so we wouldn't be here without him, how anyone can say he isn't a legend is beyond me |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:09:29 GMT
Pulis was the manager so we wouldn't be here without him, how anyone can say he isn't a legend is beyond me With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. |
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Post by coates on Sept 12, 2014 20:12:14 GMT
Pulis was the manager so we wouldn't be here without him, how anyone can say he isn't a legend is beyond me With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. But like anyone who is the manager of Chelsea and man city, should win things given their resources. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:13:18 GMT
With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. But like anyone who is the manager of Chelsea and man city, should win things given their resources. Indeed.....that's my point. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 20:14:16 GMT
Plenty of managers spent equivalent sums that season and didn't get near us, and it was a great achievement and he did a great job. Bollocks to say nobody else could've done it though.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 12, 2014 20:16:11 GMT
Pulis was the manager so we wouldn't be here without him, how anyone can say he isn't a legend is beyond me With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. I don't know about that but the fact is that did get us to the prem and kept us there, So surely you have to give him a bit of credit ? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2014 20:16:23 GMT
We could have done it with any old manager.....or multi millionaire.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 20:17:50 GMT
With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. I don't know about that but the fact is that did get us to the prem and kept us there, So surely you have to give him a bit of credit ? Absolutely, but that's not the same as saying nobody else could've done it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 20:19:02 GMT
The current manager could have done a better job with 100M.
He's done a better job with 5M.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:20:05 GMT
With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. I don't know about that but the fact is that did get us to the prem and kept us there, So surely you have to give him a bit of credit ? Indeed you do but it's bollocks to say we wouldn't be in the Premier League if it wasn't for TP. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 12, 2014 20:20:20 GMT
The current manager could have done a better job with 100M. He's done a better job with 5M. If only... |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 12, 2014 20:21:04 GMT
I don't know about that but the fact is that did get us to the prem and kept us there, So surely you have to give him a bit of credit ? Absolutely, but that's not the same as saying nobody else could've done it. Plenty of managers could of done it but he was the one that did therefore he gets my respect |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 20:23:14 GMT
Well that's my Sunday morning sorted then.
Cutting the grass it is.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 20:23:16 GMT
Absolutely, but that's not the same as saying nobody else could've done it. Plenty of managers could of done it but he was the one that did therefore he gets my respect Totally agree. Hence 'we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him' isn't necessarily true, yes? |
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 20:24:02 GMT
Pulis was the manager so we wouldn't be here without him, how anyone can say he isn't a legend is beyond me With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. [/quot Nonsense . Not a huge amount considering the team we had and what he turned us into in getting us there. You know that better than anyone. You are in a mischievous mood Sir Bayern. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2014 20:24:13 GMT
I don't know about that but the fact is that did get us to the prem and kept us there, So surely you have to give him a bit of credit ? Absolutely, but that's not the same as saying nobody else could've done it. Not only Waddo could have done what he did, after all we were breaking transfer records for goalkeppers at the time. In fact why bother having heroes in football at all if you take the view that 'well someone else could have done that' |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 20:26:25 GMT
Absolutely, but that's not the same as saying nobody else could've done it. Not only Waddo could have done what he did, after all we were breaking transfer records for goalkeppers at the time. In fact why bother having heroes in football at all if you take the view that 'well someone else could have done that' I totally agree. It's irrelevant if anyone else could've done it or not. He did it, and deserves all the credit in the world for doing it. That's why there's no need for silly statements like 'we wouldn't be where we are now' etc. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:28:27 GMT
With the money he was given, anyone who was manager should have got us up imo. Nonsense . Not a huge amount considering the team we had and what he turned us into in getting us there. You know that better than anyone. You are in a mischievous mood Sir Bayern. Not a huge amount? We spent 500k loaning Ameobi alone, it was a massive amount in terms of Stoke City. Our wage budget was well over 100% of turnover, Richard Cresswell was on 19k a week in the Championship (as used in evidence in a court of law) it was promotion or bust. He was more well than backed well, it was a phenomenal backing with one aim. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2014 20:28:52 GMT
Not only Waddo could have done what he did, after all we were breaking transfer records for goalkeppers at the time. In fact why bother having heroes in football at all if you take the view that 'well someone else could have done that' That's why there's no need for silly statements like 'we wouldn't be where we are now' etc. The same is true of Coates then as well? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 20:29:32 GMT
That's why there's no need for silly statements like 'we wouldn't be where we are now' etc. The same is true of Coates then as well? Yep. |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 12, 2014 20:30:51 GMT
Plenty of managers could of done it but he was the one that did therefore he gets my respect Totally agree. Hence 'we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him' isn't necessarily true, yes? Agreed |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 20:34:50 GMT
Nonsense . Not a huge amount considering the team we had and what he turned us into in getting us there. You know that better than anyone. You are in a mischievous mood Sir Bayern. Not a huge amount? We spent 500k loaning Ameobi alone, it was a massive amount in terms of Stoke City. Our wage budget was well over 100% of turnover, Richard Cresswell was on 19k a week in the Championship (as used in evidence in a court of law) it was promotion or bust. He was more well than backed well, it was a phenomenal backing with one aim. You have to be fair in the Championship and recognise he turned a massive profit on Danny Higginbotham, which virtually bankrolled promotion on it's own. If not, it certainly reduced the outlay at the very least. It's when he turned up in the Premiership that he did his best impression of me on Football Manager, pissed up on a friday night. |
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 20:35:17 GMT
Nonsense . Not a huge amount considering the team we had and what he turned us into in getting us there. You know that better than anyone. You are in a mischievous mood Sir Bayern. Not a huge amount? We spent 500k loaning Ameobi alone, it was a massive amount in terms of Stoke City. Our wage budget was well over 100% of turnover, Richard Cresswell was on 19k a week in the Championship (as used in evidence in a court of law) it was promotion or bust. He was more well than backed well, it was a phenomenal backing with one aim. Not saying he wasn't backed. However, you need to look beyond the promotion season. He turned us from relegation certs to upper midtable contenders with no budget . He was backed in the last two seasons before promotion, and spent that money, largely, magnificently. 19k on Cresswell? Really? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:36:34 GMT
Not a huge amount? We spent 500k loaning Ameobi alone, it was a massive amount in terms of Stoke City. Our wage budget was well over 100% of turnover, Richard Cresswell was on 19k a week in the Championship (as used in evidence in a court of law) it was promotion or bust. He was more well than backed well, it was a phenomenal backing with one aim. You have to be fair in the Championship and recognise he turned a massive profit on Danny Higginbotham, which virtually bankrolled promotion on it's own. If not, it certainly reduced the outlay at the very least. It's when he turned up in the Premiership that he did his best impression of me on Football Manager, pissed up on a friday night. I aren't denying anything about his managerial abilities. But all this he wasn't backed well is well utter bullshit. Richard fucking Cresswell was on 19k a week in the Championship......frightening! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:39:52 GMT
Not a huge amount? We spent 500k loaning Ameobi alone, it was a massive amount in terms of Stoke City. Our wage budget was well over 100% of turnover, Richard Cresswell was on 19k a week in the Championship (as used in evidence in a court of law) it was promotion or bust. He was more well than backed well, it was a phenomenal backing with one aim. Not saying he wasn't backed. However, you need to look beyond the promotion season. He turned us from relegation certs to upper midtable contenders with no budget . He was backed in the last two seasons before promotion, and spent that money, largely, magnificently. 19k on Cresswell? Really? He did but that's neither here nor there with what we're discussing and no one is denying the second sentence. Apparently so. It was used as evidence for some youth player who retired early to show the wage of a decent Championship player when he took someone/thing to court. If I remember rightly it was 16k/wk with 3k appearance fee....so 19k a week!  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2014 20:45:58 GMT
I wonder what the true balance sheet looks like during the Pulis years when you look at his time here.
Doubling the gate, owning the stadium, a state of the art training ground and £30M of residual value in two players and the small matter of £350M in TV bounty.
A lot of shit emanates from Etruria Towers and there's plenty around willing to lap it up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 20:48:41 GMT
He was fired (quite rightly) for wasting too much money, get over it! *Searches desperately for a blowing a raspberry smiley but there isn't one*
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 20:49:36 GMT
I believe you but find it difficult to fathom.
However we got him for Leeds , so it's reasonable, considering their questionable history.
Still, he did the business.
Come on, Pulis played a massive part in our promotion from the day he walked into the club. He demanded progress throughout his time at the club, and pushed us on and off the pitch. One of my fondest memories wasn't just the promotion season, but finally signing players I had actually heard of, which hadn't been the case for the most part of my Stoke City supporting career. Lee Mills? Heard of him. Mark Crossley? Yup. Gerry Taggart? Isn't he hard as fuck.
Bliss. Take it for granted now.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 20:51:18 GMT
He was fired (quite rightly) for wasting too much money, get over it! *Searches desperately for a blowing a raspberry smiley but there isn't one* Yep. He deserved all the credit in the world for the job he did, and it was absolutely the right time to move him on when we did, as things were going to shit quite clearly. |
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Post by coates on Sept 12, 2014 20:52:53 GMT
He was fired (quite rightly) for wasting too much money, get over it! *Searches desperately for a blowing a raspberry smiley but there isn't one* Yep. He deserved all the credit in the world for the job he did, and it was absolutely the right time to move him on when we did, as things were going to shit quite clearly. Hit the nail on the head. |
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