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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 11:41:29 GMT
Easy to throw all sorts of cheap shots at the fella but surely - both he and his agent now realise its best for all involved that he moves on For me - one definitely to blame both Rednapp and Pulis for i.e. bad signing - bad fitness - bad player - bad fee - bad wages - bad contribution (or total a lack of) -just a very bad experience for all involved might as well make the lad an offer towards paying the remainder of his contract up, if nothing else - just to get him off the books then we can move on  |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 29, 2014 11:44:08 GMT
To be honest, I'm surprised we didn't just pay him off last season. He might be a half decent Championship player, but with his attitude, he'd probably turn up at a League 2 team.
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2014 11:45:14 GMT
To be honest, I'm surprised we didn't just pay him off last season. He might be a half decent Championship player, but with his attitude, he'd probably turn up at a League 2 team. Whats wrong with his attitude? |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 29, 2014 11:48:37 GMT
To be honest, I'm surprised we didn't just pay him off last season. He might be a half decent Championship player, but with his attitude, he'd probably turn up at a League 2 team. Whats wrong with his attitude? Well, with all due respect lordb, has he EVER been fit to play? I've watched him season after season and I don't think I've ever seen him look at all fit, let alone match fit. As a professional sportsman, I'd expect they have the drive to want to be fit. He doesn't therefore, bad attitude as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2014 11:51:07 GMT
Whats wrong with his attitude? Well, with all due respect lordb, has he EVER been fit to play? I've watched him season after season and I don't think I've ever seen him look at all fit, let alone match fit. As a professional sportsman, I'd expect they have the drive to want to be fit. He doesn't therefore, bad attitude as far as I'm concerned. He's not unfit as such though is he.He has fitness/injury/stamina issues,not the same thing.You don't fail a medical because you are unfit. ie. he hasn't just been a lazy bugger & not trained properly - no one has suggested that as far as I can see. disasterous signing for sure though. |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 29, 2014 11:56:42 GMT
Well, with all due respect lordb, has he EVER been fit to play? I've watched him season after season and I don't think I've ever seen him look at all fit, let alone match fit. As a professional sportsman, I'd expect they have the drive to want to be fit. He doesn't therefore, bad attitude as far as I'm concerned. He's not unfit as such though is he.He has fitness/injury/stamina issues,not the same thing.You don't fail a medical because you are unfit. ie. he hasn't just been a lazy bugger & not trained properly - no one has suggested that as far as I can see. disasterous signing for sure though. Well you do wonder, how DID he fail a medical? Are his knees fucked? So we were sold a lemon? Cheers 'Arry. How did our fantastic physio who spotted Demba's explosive knees not notice that then? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2014 12:04:37 GMT
He's always maintained he is fit and doesn't know why he isn't playing, so we can file under 'delusional' at the very least.
I find it hard to blame Pulis too much unless there was info about his knee we haven't been privy to.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2014 12:12:37 GMT
He's always maintained he is fit and doesn't know why he isn't playing, so we can file under 'delusional' at the very least. I find it hard to blame Pulis too much unless there was info about his knee we haven't been privy to. The Spurs forums did make mention of it. But it's all conjecture. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 29, 2014 12:14:29 GMT
With all things considered, the worst Stoke signing in my lifetime.
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Post by Davef on Aug 29, 2014 12:15:13 GMT
Why on earth is Harry Redknapp to blame for us signing Wilson Palacios?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2014 12:17:00 GMT
Just found these links that I posted at the time (can't believe it was 3 yrs ago!) Doesn't prove anything at all, but....... Some alleged Spurs ITK was raising worries about Palacios' knee again... spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=77999&page=27deal between clubs agreed.. personal terms not and worry on wilsons medical
-We have had a fair bit of info saying Wilson would struggle to pass a medical so will be intersting to see what happens there. I imagine it would come down to whether Stoke want to take a risk. Im ambivlent tbh about the potential transfer, part of me thinsk we can get better than Wilson but then the other part of me wanntsthe Wilson we first signed back as he was immense for us.
Crouch leaving thats a different story!
-I'll be surprised on the medical if he passes
One off my first RO's was about his knee back in May and he may well go in loan. Lots of people questioned me
-did this supposed knee injury happen with us? if not how did he pass medical we gave him?
if stoke sign woodgate with his medical history wilson will have no bother
-There is a difference signing a player on a free transfer,on what must be either pay as you play or heavily weighted in terms of appearance fees and bonuses and signing a palyer for around £8m. I imagine Wilsons medical would be more through than Woodys.
-I understand what your saying that they obviously don't mind taking a risk here and there but even ignoring wages its a complete different risk too take.
One was free and one will cost crica £8m. Too entirely different gambles one you have nothing really to lose the other you have a shit lot to lose. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 29, 2014 12:18:54 GMT
It pretty much points to us actually paying £18M for Crouchy doesn't it?
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 29, 2014 12:40:06 GMT
To be fair when he's played he's done a decent job.
He was class in the 4-1 win at Villa, bossed the midfield which allowed N'Zonzi push forward.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 29, 2014 12:45:46 GMT
Easy to throw all sorts of cheap shots at the fella but surely - both he and his agent now realise its best for all involved that he moves on For me - one definitely to blame both Rednapp and Pulis for i.e. bad signing - bad fitness - bad player - bad fee - bad wages - bad contribution (or total a lack of) -just a very bad experience for all involved might as well make the lad an offer towards paying the remainder of his contract up, if nothing else - just to get him off the books then we can move on Possibly our worst ever signing,when considering the total cost of the deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 14:20:11 GMT
OK Dave F seeing as you've got it in for me - hows this
You buy your youngest his first car -his pride and joy - its quite an investment actually and more than you can really afford. So, you are all relying on it being reliable and useful. Unknown to you however, the seller already knows he got a total and utter crock on his hands and, is only too pleased to have it off his forecourt. Worse still - he knowingly sells it to a 'supposed' friend and colleague
knowing full well, its unlikely to fulfillthe need but also, how badly it is its needed.
its a metaphore which I think fits the situation pretty well - surprised you don't see that
and, no one ever called Harry Redknapp a 'used car salesmen' did they ? (allegedly) (he certainly does not like being called that thesedays - even though - we ALL know that ----- he really is one .)
So just to to summarise -Harry Redknapp - prize cockney cunter who shafted Stoke City (amongst MANY others)
and 'buyer beware '- utter shyte in this case
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2014 14:25:58 GMT
Just found these links that I posted at the time (can't believe it was 3 yrs ago!) Doesn't prove anything at all, but....... Some alleged Spurs ITK was raising worries about Palacios' knee again... spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=77999&page=27deal between clubs agreed.. personal terms not and worry on wilsons medical
-We have had a fair bit of info saying Wilson would struggle to pass a medical so will be intersting to see what happens there. I imagine it would come down to whether Stoke want to take a risk. Im ambivlent tbh about the potential transfer, part of me thinsk we can get better than Wilson but then the other part of me wanntsthe Wilson we first signed back as he was immense for us.
Crouch leaving thats a different story!
-I'll be surprised on the medical if he passes
One off my first RO's was about his knee back in May and he may well go in loan. Lots of people questioned me
-did this supposed knee injury happen with us? if not how did he pass medical we gave him?
if stoke sign woodgate with his medical history wilson will have no bother
-There is a difference signing a player on a free transfer,on what must be either pay as you play or heavily weighted in terms of appearance fees and bonuses and signing a palyer for around £8m. I imagine Wilsons medical would be more through than Woodys.
-I understand what your saying that they obviously don't mind taking a risk here and there but even ignoring wages its a complete different risk too take.
One was free and one will cost crica £8m. Too entirely different gambles one you have nothing really to lose the other you have a shit lot to lose. I take my hat off to you for that  The club could have hired you for say a 6 figure income (£100k per annum) to carry out some additional research and saved themselves £7 million in transfer fees and a further £5 million in wages so £12 million for a £300k investment over the last 3 years  |
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Post by Davef on Aug 29, 2014 14:32:55 GMT
I don't think it's a metaphor that suits the situation at all Tony.
Tony Pulis is/was an experienced top flight football manager, and should have known far better than to get himself involved in a deal like this simply because he had a huge stiffy for Peter Crouch.
As it turned out, it undoubtedly cost him his job. Peter Coates wasn't impressed with the deal and you can bet it had more to do with being lumbered paying the over inflated wages of a player who's given us virtually nothing in the three years he's been here than what we've had from Crouch.
There's a story about Tony Waddington stitching up Malcolm Allison over the transfer of Stewart Jump in the early 70s. It wasn't Waddo's fault that Crystal Palace paid way over the odds for Jump now was it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 14:34:10 GMT
And - in spite of the post above - Harry remains a cunter
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 29, 2014 14:35:51 GMT
I take it that is we are taking all these figures on trust that we did pay £4M for Bojan?
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Aug 29, 2014 14:47:10 GMT
It's not Redknapp's job to look out for Stoke City. Is Hughes guilty for swapping Odemwingie for that bag of shite Jones?
I think we can all agree that it is one of the worst value for money signings that we've ever made but it's particularly odd as he isn't a bad player and has shown that occasionally. Never really understood what the issue was but time it was all put to an end ASAP.
Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 29, 2014 14:48:13 GMT
IMHO Plassy was a makeweight in the Crouch deal as Tuncay might well have been in the Huth deal. Footballingly it might be in Plassy's best interest to move on but why should he? Nobody will match his wages. How long left on his contract?
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Post by sportsman on Aug 29, 2014 15:29:47 GMT
It's not Redknapp's job to look out for Stoke City. Is Hughes guilty for swapping Odemwingie for that bag of shite Jones? I think we can all agree that it is one of the worst value for money signings that we've ever made but it's particularly odd as he isn't a bad player and has shown that occasionally. Never really understood what the issue was but time it was all put to an end ASAP. Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards No but dirty harry is still........dirty. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:34:39 GMT
At least Kenwyne wasnt sold / swapped as knowingly broken goods
just a plain shit footballer - quite different in my book
Harry knowingly sold us a crock - a very expensive one too - just another notch on the bent bastards bedhead I suppose
(Stoke City and Tone - me old china - 'ya didnt see vat one comin me old sherberts! didya he he heheeh - now where's me tripe and eels' )
B-A-S-T-A-R-D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:38:22 GMT
At least Kenwyne wasnt sold / swapped as knowingly broken goods just a plain shit footballer - quite different in my book Harry knowingly sold us a crock - a very expensive one too - just another notch on the bent bastards bedhead I suppose (Stoke City and Tone - me old china - 'ya didnt see vat one comin me old sherberts! didya he he heheeh - now where's me tripe and eels' ) B-A-S-T-A-R-D There was only one person to blame and it certainly wasn't Harry Rednapp. Some of the shit on here is mind numbing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:46:05 GMT
Yep Pulis's fault as well (read the op) - well suckered in by his supposed 'mate' though
with friends like that - who needs enemies eh ?
So Greenhoff - another example - your next door neighbour (and a drinking mate too by the way) sells you a broken lawnmower telling
you 'its working be fine last time I looked'
So of course, No blame attached at all, when you realise --- its broken and cant be repaired and - you got ripped off eh ?
not a single thought to go around and tell him hes a cunter then ?
mind numbing - yep
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Post by metalhead on Aug 29, 2014 16:07:48 GMT
So the question is, has Peter Crouch been worth 18 million? Considering his pivotal role in each season we've maintained our Premiership status. I'd say probably, but that doesn't mean we weren't ripped off.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 29, 2014 16:10:11 GMT
Is he as shit as made out? He played last year at Villa, played very well in our best victory of the season. I reckon if he was given a run of games in the Pulis era we could of had a good player, now is Obviosuly too late, we have better options.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2014 16:21:22 GMT
Is he as shit as made out? He played last year at Villa, played very well in our best victory of the season. I reckon if he was given a run of games in the Pulis era we could of had a good player, now is Obviosuly too late, we have better options. He didn't warrant a run of games then or now. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 29, 2014 16:24:17 GMT
I seem to remember that a couple of seasons ago he played at the Brit against Wigan.
Got the Man of the Match if I remember correctly. That showed (and reinforced by his performance at Villa last season), that there's still a good player in there.
Just don't understand what's stopping him showing it more?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2014 16:24:28 GMT
IMHO Plassy was a makeweight in the Crouch deal as Tuncay might well have been in the Huth deal. Footballingly it might be in Plassy's best interest to move on but why should he? Nobody will match his wages. How long left on his contract? On paper he was TP's ideal midfielder Joe. If TP didn't want him, he wouldn't have signed him. Ask Triggy and Ziggy. Redknapp wasn't obliged to do us any favours. If Southampton seriously want Brek Shea I hope Hughes is telling them he's Garrincha with the stamina of Liz McColgan. |
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