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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 11:13:06 GMT
Try Bradford , Rotherham , Rochdale , Luton and Telford instead then ...to name but a few. I've not noticed you have a fond affection for them . I think I called them evil Pakistani shitbags ....perhaps I should have used stronger language in hindsight. Mumf
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 11:15:52 GMT
Just because there is a list of white paedophiles,doesnt mean there isnt an equally long list of pakistani paedophiles. what a stupid defence. If you take the time to read the thread you'll see I'm defending nothing sir. Sorry if you think I am.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2014 12:22:57 GMT
The Pakistani / Muslim paedopjole groups is a different problem to the one you mention
Similar bit very different. And encompasses a whole different set of issues.
It doesn't balance the Islamic problems we face in out country
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 31, 2014 14:26:35 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2014 14:55:20 GMT
He won't like it but I can see a lot of huddy in there.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 15:01:59 GMT
He won't like it but I can see a lot of huddy in there. Nothing could be further from the truth. You don't know me at all.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2014 15:13:05 GMT
He won't like it but I can see a lot of huddy in there. Nothing could be further from the truth. You don't know me at all. Allowing the abuse of white girls by Asian, Muslim men in various parts of the country has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Any thread criticising Islam usually follows you bringing up our foreign policy in some respect It is to do with our immigration policy and failure to ensure this country's stance against Muslim crime is the same as any other. The difference between the Establisment abuse and the Muslim gangs is totally different but equally reprehensible The Establisment inc Saville was covered up, not a lot can be done when the right people don't know. The Islamic abuse was ignored, allowed to continue because people were scared to be seen as racist
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 15:14:10 GMT
Nothing could be further from the truth. You don't know me at all. Allowing the abuse of white girls by Asian, Muslim men in various parts of the country has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Any thread criticising Islam usually follows you bringing up our foreign policy in some respect It is to do with our immigration policy and failure to ensure this country's stance against Muslim crime is the same as any other. The difference between the Establisment abuse and the Muslim gangs is totally different but equally reprehensible The Establisment inc Saville was covered up, not a lot can be done when the right people don't know. The Islamic abuse was ignored, allowed to continue because people were scared to be seen as racist And wrongly so..as I have repeatedly stated.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2014 21:08:52 GMT
Nothing could be further from the truth. You don't know me at all. Allowing the abuse of white girls by Asian, Muslim men in various parts of the country has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Any thread criticising Islam usually follows you bringing up our foreign policy in some respect It is to do with our immigration policy and failure to ensure this country's stance against Muslim crime is the same as any other. The difference between the Establisment abuse and the Muslim gangs is totally different but equally reprehensible The Establisment inc Saville was covered up, not a lot can be done when the right people don't know. The Islamic abuse was ignored, allowed to continue because people were scared to be seen as racist Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2014 21:22:02 GMT
Allowing the abuse of white girls by Asian, Muslim men in various parts of the country has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Any thread criticising Islam usually follows you bringing up our foreign policy in some respect It is to do with our immigration policy and failure to ensure this country's stance against Muslim crime is the same as any other. The difference between the Establisment abuse and the Muslim gangs is totally different but equally reprehensible The Establisment inc Saville was covered up, not a lot can be done when the right people don't know. The Islamic abuse was ignored, allowed to continue because people were scared to be seen as racist Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this. Maybe and that's why there is truth in the previous link blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100284604/the-self-loathing-of-the-british-left-is-now-a-problem-for-us-all/
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2014 21:42:59 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 22:01:16 GMT
Allowing the abuse of white girls by Asian, Muslim men in various parts of the country has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Any thread criticising Islam usually follows you bringing up our foreign policy in some respect It is to do with our immigration policy and failure to ensure this country's stance against Muslim crime is the same as any other. The difference between the Establisment abuse and the Muslim gangs is totally different but equally reprehensible The Establisment inc Saville was covered up, not a lot can be done when the right people don't know. The Islamic abuse was ignored, allowed to continue because people were scared to be seen as racist Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this. Pecisely and as I've repeatedly said this is about right and wrong not left and right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:01:34 GMT
Allowing the abuse of white girls by Asian, Muslim men in various parts of the country has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Any thread criticising Islam usually follows you bringing up our foreign policy in some respect It is to do with our immigration policy and failure to ensure this country's stance against Muslim crime is the same as any other. The difference between the Establisment abuse and the Muslim gangs is totally different but equally reprehensible The Establisment inc Saville was covered up, not a lot can be done when the right people don't know. The Islamic abuse was ignored, allowed to continue because people were scared to be seen as racist Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this. Exactly so ......fear of losing Labour votes , however unpalatable that is to some , that is the real reason .....fear of being seen as racist may have come into it but politics is what it comes down to in essence
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:03:09 GMT
Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this. Pecisely and as I've repeatedly said this is about right and wrong not left and right. I agree with that
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Aug 31, 2014 22:05:00 GMT
I've a feeling, that this Rotherham scandal, may somehow be a watershed moment for British society for good or ill.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2014 22:09:37 GMT
Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this. Pecisely and as I've repeatedly said this is about right and wrong not left and right. Except however you define Labour as left \ right or somewhere in between with every day it becomes clearer they were very much in the wrong and it would seem knowingly choose to be so. I wonder how understanding you would be if this was the tories.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2014 22:11:34 GMT
Whilst I agree with much of what you've said, the more I read the more it becomes clear this was not covered up for fear of being accused of racism but rather a deliberate political decision was taken to hide \ ignore this. The sound of relative silence from that well known bandwagon jumper Mr Ed is deafening not surprisingly as it becomes clear more and more people did actually know about this. Exactly so ......fear of losing Labour votes , however unpalatable that is to some , that is the real reason .....fear of being seen as racist may have come into it but politics is what it comes down to in essence Nail and head.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 22:16:25 GMT
Pecisely and as I've repeatedly said this is about right and wrong not left and right. Except however you define Labour as left \ right or somewhere in between with every day it becomes clearer they were very much in the wrong and it would seem knowingly choose to be so. I wonder how understanding you would be if this was the tories. I don't know how much clearer I can make myself on this issue. I'd be equally outraged. I do note we're still waiting for Cameron to appoint someone after the Butler-Sloss fiasco..seems to have slipped his mind, so yes I'd be equally outraged.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:17:39 GMT
Pecisely and as I've repeatedly said this is about right and wrong not left and right. Except however you define Labour as left \ right or somewhere in between with every day it becomes clearer they were very much in the wrong and it would seem knowingly choose to be so. I wonder how understanding you would be if this was the tories. I'm certain the Conservatives ( if it had been on their watch , would have been mercilessly castigated by the Left with Glee ! ....political opportunism knows no bounds in these things ....which ever side we are talking of ) Very unpalatable .....that's how it is
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2014 22:28:53 GMT
Except however you define Labour as left \ right or somewhere in between with every day it becomes clearer they were very much in the wrong and it would seem knowingly choose to be so. I wonder how understanding you would be if this was the tories. I don't know how much clearer I can make myself on this issue. I'd be equally outraged. I do note we're still waiting for Cameron to appoint someone after the Butler-Sloss fiasco..seems to have slipped his mind, so yes I'd be equally outraged. That wasn't my point, Bispham has got what I was getting at. Without stepping on Starkillers toes it's amazing after all these years how this story breaks so suddenly taking the politician paedo stories out of the limelight.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2014 22:33:06 GMT
Except however you define Labour as left \ right or somewhere in between with every day it becomes clearer they were very much in the wrong and it would seem knowingly choose to be so. I wonder how understanding you would be if this was the tories. I don't know how much clearer I can make myself on this issue. I'd be equally outraged. I do note we're still waiting for Cameron to appoint someone after the Butler-Sloss fiasco..seems to have slipped his mind, so yes I'd be equally outraged. Your objections to Tories have always been louder than any belated critique of labour. Always had. The butler-sloss fiasco as you put it is irrelevant to Rotherham and Islam but any opportunity to slate a Tory You will never change
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:45:39 GMT
I don't know how much clearer I can make myself on this issue. I'd be equally outraged. I do note we're still waiting for Cameron to appoint someone after the Butler-Sloss fiasco..seems to have slipped his mind, so yes I'd be equally outraged. That wasn't my point, Bispham has got what I was getting at. Without stepping on Starkillers toes it's amazing after all these years how this story breaks so suddenly taking the politician paedo stories out of the limelight. Yes ironic isn't it........please don't try and put Starkiller out of a job ....We all need to feel that we belong
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2014 22:46:09 GMT
Except however you define Labour as left \ right or somewhere in between with every day it becomes clearer they were very much in the wrong and it would seem knowingly choose to be so. I wonder how understanding you would be if this was the tories. I'm certain the Conservatives ( if it had been on their watch , would have been mercilessly castigated by the Left with Glee ! ....political opportunism knows no bounds in these things ....which ever side we are talking of ) Very unpalatable .....that's how it is One last thought i'm calling the whole we we scared of being branded racist excuse bullshit, there are reports of 11 year olds going to the police with their parents with evidence and them being ignored. Last time I checked whether it is rape or not having sex with girls of that age is against the law so how the hell could anyone be branded racist for taking action in these cases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:53:26 GMT
I'm certain the Conservatives ( if it had been on their watch , would have been mercilessly castigated by the Left with Glee ! ....political opportunism knows no bounds in these things ....which ever side we are talking of ) Very unpalatable .....that's how it is One last thought i'm calling the whole we we scared of being branded racist excuse bullshit, there are reports of 11 year olds going to the police with their parents with evidence and them being ignored. Last time I checked whether it is rape or not having sex with girls of that age is against the law so how the hell could anyone be branded racist for taking action in these cases. Yes ...and it's a valid point you make ......how indeed ....it needs to be explained in greater detail doesn't it ?.......
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 23:02:16 GMT
I don't know how much clearer I can make myself on this issue. I'd be equally outraged. I do note we're still waiting for Cameron to appoint someone after the Butler-Sloss fiasco..seems to have slipped his mind, so yes I'd be equally outraged. That wasn't my point, Bispham has got what I was getting at. Without stepping on Starkillers toes it's amazing after all these years how this story breaks so suddenly taking the politician paedo stories out of the limelight. I know what you're getting at and I'm in agreement. I'm simply saying consistency needs to be applied.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 23:06:10 GMT
I don't know how much clearer I can make myself on this issue. I'd be equally outraged. I do note we're still waiting for Cameron to appoint someone after the Butler-Sloss fiasco..seems to have slipped his mind, so yes I'd be equally outraged. Your objections to Tories have always been louder than any belated critique of labour. Always had. The butler-sloss fiasco as you put it is irrelevant to Rotherham and Islam but any opportunity to slate a Tory You will never change Of course I won't change with my dislike of the tories, why would I? Please explain to me how the capture, rape and killing of juveniles by white males in positions of power is in any way morally less repulsive than what happened in Rotherham? If you haven't been reading my posts on this thread, I will repeat it just for you...political point scoring is out of order here, it's about right and wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:32:49 GMT
Your objections to Tories have always been louder than any belated critique of labour. Always had. The butler-sloss fiasco as you put it is irrelevant to Rotherham and Islam but any opportunity to slate a Tory You will never change Of course I won't change with my dislike of the tories, why would I? Please explain to me how the capture, rape and killing of juveniles by white males in positions of power is in any way morally less repulsive than what happened in Rotherham? If you haven't been reading my posts on this thread, I will repeat it just for you...political point scoring is out of order here, it's about right and wrong. Well I agree with you Huddy there is no difference at all .....that being said , it's not the point being under discussion , the case in Rotherham involves Pakistani and or any other Asians who may be involved ....that and nothing else is the point under discussion here .....we all know that white males are engaged in similar activities that are equally reprehensible , but that's irrelevant to this issue , so there is nothing to be gained from making comparisons , each issue should be dealt with under it's own circumstances ....but this is particularly horrible , don't you think ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 31, 2014 23:42:44 GMT
Of course I won't change with my dislike of the tories, why would I? Please explain to me how the capture, rape and killing of juveniles by white males in positions of power is in any way morally less repulsive than what happened in Rotherham? If you haven't been reading my posts on this thread, I will repeat it just for you...political point scoring is out of order here, it's about right and wrong. Well I agree with you Huddy there is no difference at all .....that being said , it's not the point being under discussion , the case in Rotherham involves Pakistani and or any other Asians who may be involved ....that and nothing else is the point under discussion here .....we all know that white males are engaged in similar activities that are equally reprehensible , but that's irrelevant to this issue , so there is nothing to be gained from making comparisons , each issue should be dealt with under it's own circumstances ....but this is particularly horrible , don't you think ? Quite simply because some on here are using it to play the race card...yet again, not yourself of course.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Sept 1, 2014 1:54:47 GMT
Quite simply because some on here are using it to play the race card...yet again, not yourself of course. At the end of the day ( not one of my favourite expressions , but it's applicable I suppose ) ....this is a case of sexual abuse ....horrible though it is it's quite easy to to apply a racial connotation to it because of the people involved ) ...there is obviously some sort of underlying problem within the Asian communities concerning this type of offence ....clearly there is , not withstanding it also exists within our own community ... The problem is how to eradicate it ? ... You can moan a bout immigrants ....yes , but they are here to stay , whether people like it or not ....there is no going back to pre immigration Britain ...what is the, answer ? Change our stance on religion, once and for all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 8:33:22 GMT
Continuing with the consistency theme .....Greater Manchester Police today confirmed that 180 more incidents were going to be investigated following on from the Rochdale inquiry which once again confirms the scale of the problem amongst the Pakistani community .
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