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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 27, 2014 11:34:55 GMT
There is also another brigade on these pages who use every opportunity to play the race card...thereby debasing it's currency...blaming everything on foriegners.
You could argue that when those who defend foriegners and establish a reputation for doing so...come on here and criticise them... then their opinions will carry much more weight & gravitas....and be seen to be more objective.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2014 12:05:04 GMT
Having now seen reports on the news also, it's one of the most shocking things I've ever known. How the authorities can be allowed to turn a blind eye and then not be held accountable is absolutely disgusting. They shouldn't only be losing their jobs but going to prison for their complicity in allowing this child abuse to go on. The spineless fools who didn't dare speak out in case of being called racist should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and I hope they struggle to sleep at night. That said, those who like refering to people as racist for merely raising questions about the way this country is going, need to take a good long look at themselves. All that is being said about this horrific case is true , however you only have to use this board as an example to see how the PC brigade throw racism constantly into the faces of posters whose only crime is to question the direction this country has been going in recent decades , you can see how people would be put off from saying what they really feel or think ....not excusing what has been quite clearly been a serious case of neglect on the behalf the authorities . It's not really about PC though is it Bisp? The same folk on here who are quick to jump on the race issue to this case are the same people who have kept remarkably quiet about the likes of Harris, hall, Saville and Clifford for example. I can be anti racist and still denounce this evil which I have and in exactly in the same manner as the aforementioned guilty parties. Race doesn't come into to it..people commit despicable acts regardless of skin colour wouldn't you agree?
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 27, 2014 12:19:23 GMT
The whole episode is sickening.
Nobody should ever be silent regarding child abuse whether that involves Asian gangs, celebrities or members of the Establishment.
I've just gone through this thread and read of nobody defending these scumbags but several of you seem to be using this as an opportunity to justify previous viewpoints on completely different subjects.
This isn't about terrorism, this isn't about Gaza and it's not about you. It's about vulnerable children suffering sexual abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 12:20:32 GMT
All that is being said about this horrific case is true , however you only have to use this board as an example to see how the PC brigade throw racism constantly into the faces of posters whose only crime is to question the direction this country has been going in recent decades , you can see how people would be put off from saying what they really feel or think ....not excusing what has been quite clearly been a serious case of neglect on the behalf the authorities . It's not really about PC though is it Bisp? The same folk on here who are quick to jump on the race issue to this case are the same people who have kept remarkably quiet about the likes of Harris, hall, Saville and Clifford for example. I can be anti racist and still denounce this evil which I have and in exactly in the same manner as the aforementioned guilty parties. Race doesn't come into to it..people commit despicable acts regardless of skin colour wouldn't you agree? I would agree with that assessment 100% .....although I think the cases of Saville , Hall etc. have all been very widely discussed on here , I wasn't suggesting that by being anti - racist anyone , is failing to denounce evil doing in anyway , I too am against racism in any shape or form , despite what one or two on here have tried to imply , but as far as I'm concerned the racism button is pressed far too often in circumstances where no offence is either offered or implied , it's a convenient way for some people to block any kind of rational debate or argument on certain given subjects We have strayed a little off topic here though I guess ,it has had some relevance to the point the thread is making
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 27, 2014 12:24:59 GMT
Let's not forget that there are thousands of Muslim girls who are the victims of FGM, forced marriage & Honor killings...
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Post by desman2 on Aug 27, 2014 12:51:59 GMT
Let's not forget that there are thousands of Muslim girls who are the victims of FGM, forced marriage & Honor killings... Yes there are and these are the warning signs that should tell people what a male dominated cult can get up to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:04:23 GMT
The whole episode is sickening. Nobody should ever be silent regarding child abuse whether that involves Asian gangs, celebrities or members of the Establishment. I've just gone through this thread and read of nobody defending these scumbags but several of you seem to be using this as an opportunity to justify previous viewpoints on completely different subjects. This isn't about terrorism, this isn't about Gaza and it's not about you. It's about vulnerable children suffering sexual abuse. .......... ......at the hands of Pakistani evil shitbags.That's more accurate . Mumf
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 27, 2014 13:05:02 GMT
There's a lot of barbarism in the world right now and there's often a common theme.
I'm just so grateful to our elected representatives (of all parties over many decades) for enriching our lives by bringing it to our own towns and cities. How nice of them to think we could all get along despite thousands of years of history to the contrary where Islam is concerned.
I'm sick of this now and if that qualifies as racism then I'm racist.
But, and this is the important point, I am not even 1% as racially or religiously bigoted as some of the hateful elements now amongst us.
It's time the indigenous population spoke out without fear of being branded...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:16:49 GMT
The whole episode is sickening. Nobody should ever be silent regarding child abuse whether that involves Asian gangs, celebrities or members of the Establishment. I've just gone through this thread and read of nobody defending these scumbags but several of you seem to be using this as an opportunity to justify previous viewpoints on completely different subjects. This isn't about terrorism, this isn't about Gaza and it's not about you. It's about vulnerable children suffering sexual abuse. .......... ......at the hands of Pakistani evil shitbags.That's more accurate . Mumf That's what is known as getting straight to the point I would say ! ......Watch out for the Flak
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:18:49 GMT
All that is being said about this horrific case is true , however you only have to use this board as an example to see how the PC brigade throw racism constantly into the faces of posters whose only crime is to question the direction this country has been going in recent decades , you can see how people would be put off from saying what they really feel or think ....not excusing what has been quite clearly been a serious case of neglect on the behalf the authorities . It's not really about PC though is it Bisp? The same folk on here who are quick to jump on the race issue to this case are the same people who have kept remarkably quiet about the likes of Harris, hall, Saville and Clifford for example. I can be anti racist and still denounce this evil which I have and in exactly in the same manner as the aforementioned guilty parties. Race doesn't come into to it..people commit despicable acts regardless of skin colour wouldn't you agree? I've never read such pathetic cowardly shit stirring and sniping in my life. I don't know why you don't fucking emigrate out there. Even Bin Laden found refuge and thought it was great. My advice is to join him. After all , it's not everyday there's an attempted murder outside your front door and yet you still don't bastuurd listen. Do you know I don't remember a single Pakistani breaking the law in all my time in Stoke . But come to think of it ....there weren't any . You deserve one another....live it ...breath it , suck it up and I'll stick to the marshes with my dogs. Enjoy.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 27, 2014 13:53:50 GMT
Let's not forget that there are thousands of Muslim girls who are the victims of FGM, forced marriage & Honor killings... Indded, and who is it who forces these medevil practices upon them ?
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Post by imho on Aug 27, 2014 13:58:41 GMT
In this case the PC/race issue is very much part and parcel of the problem - in the manner that the difference in race allowed some of the men to excuse their behavior (at least to themselves) while the PC part of it prevented the people who were supposed to protect the vulnerable from doing their job. Don't forget that the last Labour government blocked a C4 program from being broadcast and no one is going to be labeled racist for investigating Rolf Harris. Just know that this is still going on and even in this city - we must all (no matter what skin colour) be aware and do what we can to protect children - as the saying goes they belong to society (or something like that)
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 27, 2014 13:59:11 GMT
It's not really about PC though is it Bisp? The same folk on here who are quick to jump on the race issue to this case are the same people who have kept remarkably quiet about the likes of Harris, hall, Saville and Clifford for example. I can be anti racist and still denounce this evil which I have and in exactly in the same manner as the aforementioned guilty parties. Race doesn't come into to it..people commit despicable acts regardless of skin colour wouldn't you agree? I've never read such pathetic cowardly shit stirring and sniping in my life. I don't know why you don't fucking emigrate out there. Even Bin Laden found refuge and thought it was great. My advice is to join him. After all , it's not everyday there's an attempted murder outside your front door and yet you still don't bastuurd listen. Do you know I don't remember a single Pakistani breaking the law in all my time in Stoke . But come to think of it ....there weren't any . You deserve one another....live it ...breath it , suck it up and I'll stick to the marshes with my dogs. Enjoy. You know Mumf, Islam considers the dog, like the swine, to be unclean & some Muslims won't go into a house occupied by a dog... What sort of dogs do you have!?!
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 27, 2014 14:08:40 GMT
There's a lot of barbarism in the world right now and there's often a common theme. I'm just so grateful to our elected representatives (of all parties over many decades) for enriching our lives by bringing it to our own towns and cities. How nice of them to think we could all get along despite thousands of years of history to the contrary where Islam is concerned. I'm sick of this now and if that qualifies as racism then I'm racist. But, and this is the important point, I am not even 1% as racially or religiously bigoted as some of the hateful elements now amongst us. It's time the indigenous population spoke out without fear of being branded... Agree 100%. The sad thing is though nothing will change as we are to far gone down the road of multi culturalism. Our ruling classes know best and will perhaps insist now on the odd sacrificial lamb to calm the publics anger, but it's a fact that 1 in 3 births in the Uk have at least 1 foreign parent, and theres big votes up for grabs. It's endemic now within the PC brigade. BBC news seems to prefer calling these child abusers criminal gangs than mentioning their race. A bit like how they insist on saying the beheaded US journalist was executed not murdered. They also continually refer to terrorists as extremists. Anything they can do to water down and sanatise what ethenic minorities get up to. One final point, 1400 kids abused between 1997 & 2013, but only 5 men convicted in 2010. Why only 5? and why 0 since 2010, despite the abuse going on until 2013?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 14:45:46 GMT
I've never read such pathetic cowardly shit stirring and sniping in my life. I don't know why you don't fucking emigrate out there. Even Bin Laden found refuge and thought it was great. My advice is to join him. After all , it's not everyday there's an attempted murder outside your front door and yet you still don't bastuurd listen. Do you know I don't remember a single Pakistani breaking the law in all my time in Stoke . But come to think of it ....there weren't any . You deserve one another....live it ...breath it , suck it up and I'll stick to the marshes with my dogs. Enjoy. You know Mumf, Islam considers the dog, like the swine, to be unclean & some Muslims won't go into a house occupied by a dog... What sort of dogs do you have!?! Two fox shit caked Labradors and A Cocker Spaniel....stink to fuck they do.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2014 14:55:44 GMT
It's not really about PC though is it Bisp? The same folk on here who are quick to jump on the race issue to this case are the same people who have kept remarkably quiet about the likes of Harris, hall, Saville and Clifford for example. I can be anti racist and still denounce this evil which I have and in exactly in the same manner as the aforementioned guilty parties. Race doesn't come into to it..people commit despicable acts regardless of skin colour wouldn't you agree? I've never read such pathetic cowardly shit stirring and sniping in my life. I don't know why you don't fucking emigrate out there. Even Bin Laden found refuge and thought it was great. My advice is to join him. After all , it's not everyday there's an attempted murder outside your front door and yet you still don't bastuurd listen. Do you know I don't remember a single Pakistani breaking the law in all my time in Stoke . But come to think of it ....there weren't any . You deserve one another....live it ...breath it , suck it up and I'll stick to the marshes with my dogs. Enjoy. Tell you what Mumf...get some help. Seriously, you need anger management therapy.
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Post by elsidibe on Aug 27, 2014 15:56:01 GMT
It's remarkable even for The Oatcake that such a basic tenet of civilised society - the principle that child abuse is wrong and abhorrent - can still give rise to such a shitstorm of tribal bickering.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2014 16:17:27 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2014 16:18:44 GMT
The whole episode is sickening. Nobody should ever be silent regarding child abuse whether that involves Asian gangs, celebrities or members of the Establishment. I've just gone through this thread and read of nobody defending these scumbags but several of you seem to be using this as an opportunity to justify previous viewpoints on completely different subjects. This isn't about terrorism, this isn't about Gaza and it's not about you. It's about vulnerable children suffering sexual abuse. .......... ......at the hands of Pakistani evil shitbags.That's more accurate . Mumf You're a bloody disgrace, that's what you are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:38:26 GMT
How is it that these threads on here manage to get turned into nothing more than verbal mass brawls ? ......And we talk about informed debate between sensible adults .......it leaves you in a state of despair .
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Post by desman2 on Aug 27, 2014 16:59:25 GMT
This guy goes on with self back slapping and claiming it was them who brought this to the public attention. Anyone else hear this group raisng this issue publicly at the time. I know the BNP did and got collars felt but this group. Nah. This group is a spin off of the UAF, who now are being made to look complete wankers and using this mouthpiece to spin this guys bull. Not having a go at you Huddy, but this guy is showing no anger in my eyes.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 27, 2014 17:00:04 GMT
Hey up, he's off Bore off, there's a good lad. Blame the West, yadda yadda yadda So...you don't have a solution yourself then? It's not down to me to find a solution, that's why we elect a cabinet who are paid a handsome salary. Why do you think an Average Joe on a football messageboard should have a solution, I'm merely commenting on the direction this country is taking, which is my right. What's your solution, blame everyone else but the perpetrator and make excuses for them? I noticed you keep bringing up the West's foreign policy as an excuse, well, the UK hasn't got a great human rights record in India down the years but I don't see the Sikh community using the Amritsar Massacre as an excuse to cause trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 17:16:59 GMT
If a local Rotherham celebrity had smacked a teenagers bum, you can bet your bottom dollar that the police would have come down like a ton of hot horse shit on him. I don't think either of the chuckle brothers would have it in them.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2014 17:23:55 GMT
This guy goes on with self back slapping and claiming it was them who brought this to the public attention. Anyone else hear this group raisng this issue publicly at the time. I know the BNP did and got collars felt but this group. Nah. This group is a spin off of the UAF, who now are being made to look complete wankers and using this mouthpiece to spin this guys bull. Not having a go at you Huddy, but this guy is showing no anger in my eyes. Hope not hate came before UAF and is much longer established but I take your point mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2014 17:24:41 GMT
So...you don't have a solution yourself then? It's not down to me to find a solution, that's why we elect a cabinet who are paid a handsome salary. Why do you think an Average Joe on a football messageboard should have a solution, I'm merely commenting on the direction this country is taking, which is my right. What's your solution, blame everyone else but the perpetrator and make excuses for them? I noticed you keep bringing up the West's foreign policy as an excuse, well, the UK hasn't got a great human rights record in India down the years but I don't see the Sikh community using the Amritsar Massacre as an excuse to cause trouble. We come down hard on all abusers, whatever their background. Don't you agree?
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Post by desman2 on Aug 27, 2014 17:51:29 GMT
It's not down to me to find a solution, that's why we elect a cabinet who are paid a handsome salary. Why do you think an Average Joe on a football messageboard should have a solution, I'm merely commenting on the direction this country is taking, which is my right. What's your solution, blame everyone else but the perpetrator and make excuses for them? I noticed you keep bringing up the West's foreign policy as an excuse, well, the UK hasn't got a great human rights record in India down the years but I don't see the Sikh community using the Amritsar Massacre as an excuse to cause trouble. We come down hard on all abusers, whatever their background. Don't you agree? Actually I fully agree. This vile industry is going on in many different manifestations. Its probably with modern socity and it lack of values.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:07:30 GMT
If a local Rotherham celebrity had smacked a teenagers bum, you can bet your bottom dollar that the police would have come down like a ton of hot horse shit on him. I don't think either of the chuckle brothers would have it in them. True. And Paul Shane is no longer with us , are there any other celebrities from Rotherham ? And I ask that as a serious question
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 27, 2014 18:57:14 GMT
The whole episode is sickening. Nobody should ever be silent regarding child abuse whether that involves Asian gangs, celebrities or members of the Establishment. I've just gone through this thread and read of nobody defending these scumbags but several of you seem to be using this as an opportunity to justify previous viewpoints on completely different subjects. This isn't about terrorism, this isn't about Gaza and it's not about you. It's about vulnerable children suffering sexual abuse. Absolutely bang on the money mate.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2014 19:34:30 GMT
I remember a certain poster used to refer to a certain poster as allahsleftfoot
Used to make me chuckle.
Little things please my tiny tiny mind
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2014 19:41:51 GMT
It seems like the wealty white influencial and powerful would abuse anyone
The Muslim groups of paedos just go for young whites, are not their own good enough.
EVERY child needs protecting EVERY PAEDO needs catching and punishing
The Saville affair means that cases are getting investigated, in today's world cover ups will be less and less, and that's a good thing.
But the reality is we are afraid to target Muslim groups for crime because of the perceived racism issue. Forget that. Justice should be equal and we shouldn't pussyfoot around the issue where serious crimes happen. How many Muslim PAEDO groups have been allowed to get away with it for so long?
How many others are out there?
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