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Post by Kingswaystokie on Aug 24, 2014 21:03:40 GMT
OK, I was chuffed with the signings, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but they, at the moment, don't seem good enough.
We are in the bottom 3 in terms of money spent.
Compare today's team with the one that won at Villa and West Brom last season, last season's team seems better.
Today was abysmal against 10 men.
Maybe a front line of Wingie, Crouch and maybe Moses is better, couldn't be any worse than what we had today.
Looked like today that the team didn't like being together, that needs sorting.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 24, 2014 21:07:04 GMT
Agree back to basics
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 21:07:05 GMT
Yes we were awful , that much is true , but in fairness Diouf was making the runs but no one thought of giving him the ball. Don't think he's too good in the air though. Thought he looked better alongside Crouch.
Bojan played some nice passes and needs more time to adjust.
Arnautovic was dire , dreadful. Needs dropping for a few games.
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2014 21:09:11 GMT
See, I'm not the only one who thought Bojan was poor. (winky thingy)
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 24, 2014 21:09:17 GMT
How come nobody is highlighting how poor Nzonzi has been in both games, is it not just a coincidence that every game zonz has a lazy day he struggle, he needs to either buck his ideas up or get dropped for someone who can add tempo to the team, as that's what we are missing more than anything
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Post by liamo on Aug 24, 2014 21:11:08 GMT
Having a man sent off isn't the biggest handicap sometimes, it allowed them to sit back behind the ball even though they were at home
our issue isn't down to a certain set of players, its as a whole, our ball control today was terrible and passing in the final third was even worse, even from players such as wingie, arnie and zonzi, it wasn't good enough
one of our biggest weaknesses this season will be our inability to break teams down, i believe 100% that if they had 11 men on the pitch today we would have won, their fans would not have allowed them to sit back and we'd have had more space in the final third
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Aug 24, 2014 21:11:19 GMT
Mumf...... Bojan also gave the ball away so many times.
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2014 21:12:23 GMT
How come nobody is highlighting how poor Nzonzi has been in both games, is it not just a coincidence that every game zonz has a lazy day he struggle, he needs to either buck his ideas up or get dropped for someone who can add tempo to the team, as that's what we are missing more than anything I thought Whelan and Sidwell did better than N'Zonzi. There again I don't think the lad knew where he was supposed to be playing today. |
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 24, 2014 21:13:45 GMT
OK, I was chuffed with the signings, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but they, at the moment, don't seem good enough. We are in the bottom 3 in terms of money spent. Compare today's team with the one that won at Villa and West Brom last season, last season's team seems better. Today was abysmal against 10 men. Maybe a front line of Wingie, Crouch and maybe Moses is better, couldn't be any worse than what we had today. Looked like today that the team didn't like being together, that needs sorting. Who needs supporters like you! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 21:14:05 GMT
Mumf...... Bojan also gave the ball away so many times. I know but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as Arnautovic. He needs more time to adjust. |
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2014 21:17:43 GMT
Mumf...... Bojan also gave the ball away so many times. I know but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as Arnautovic. He needs more time to adjust. Exactly! |
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Aug 24, 2014 21:18:24 GMT
Supporters like me Silver Dollar ? 55 years a season ticket holder, my comments were constructive, I just wasn't proud to be a Stokie today.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 24, 2014 21:18:42 GMT
Bojan is a very difficult player to integrate in a team as he has no clear position. Now I want to put forth a question which requires an honest answer - would we have bought him if he had say 7 million price tag on his head ? I believe the answer is NO fir the very simple reason that what we needed was not a bojan type player. But on a free we couldn't resist. The point remains that we need a good central midfielder capable of dominating play; a good CF who can bang in 12 - 15 goals per season; possibly a CB capable of playing the ball as well as defending, suitable to the new style of play. We haven't bought any of the 3 coz we just chased freebies this summer
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 24, 2014 21:20:09 GMT
The thread title is good but I still have some reservations about Bardsley.
I never rated Diouf or Sidwell anyway.
Bojan was unknown to me prior to his signing but he needs some meat on his bones to compete.
I'm not sure how much bedding in time they will get though if they don't start to perform.
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Aug 24, 2014 21:20:55 GMT
Spot on Malteser.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 21:26:31 GMT
Bojan is a very difficult player to integrate in a team as he has no clear position. Now I want to put forth a question which requires an honest answer - would we have bought him if he had say 7 million price tag on his head ? I believe the answer is NO fir the very simple reason that what we needed was not a bojan type player. But on a free we couldn't resist. The point remains that we need a good central midfielder capable of dominating play; a good CF who can bang in 12 - 15 goals per season; possibly a CB capable of playing the ball as well as defending, suitable to the new style of play. We haven't bought any of the 3 coz we just chased freebies this summer What is a Bojan type player in your opinion. You must have seen his goals in the friendlies . could you see Walters doing that , because I can't. All Bojan needs is time and we should be playing to his and Dioufs strengths. I thought he and crouch played played well together and I would personally drop Arnautovic altogether. Way way way off the boil. He needs shooting practise 5 days a week for the next month before I would consider him. Odemwingie was our best player and even he wasn't that good... |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 24, 2014 21:32:16 GMT
Sidwelll was often left with the ball and no one moving for the pass. He was often left shouting for an outlet. We're are not quick thinking enough.
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Post by liamo on Aug 24, 2014 21:36:26 GMT
Midfield is our biggest issue, today and aston villa zonzi and whelan went AWOL, where was the driving forward from zonzi we saw last season? while sidwell was on zonzi had no reason to not get forward, without them stepping up and linking the back four with the forwards then expect much of the same sideways passing and zero penetration
As for Bojan, if we want to push on then we have to integrate him and in his defence he has been forced to drop very deep to pick the ball up these first two games only to run into a 8 man wall of players, he needs to be playing behind the main striker and picking the ball up in the final third, easier said than done though
In short, it's bullshit to blame the new faces when the old so called reliable faces are misfiring just as badly
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 21:41:04 GMT
Sidwelll was often left with the ball and no one moving for the pass. He was often left shouting for an outlet. We're are not quick thinking enough. Correct...I've seen Iraqi women strip faster...or even milk curdle quicker.. |
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Post by The Occasional Man on Aug 24, 2014 21:41:30 GMT
Diouf was worse than poor - he was an utterly abject waste of space. We were playing with 10 men on the pitch from the off carrying that useless tosser!
How he expects to score when he doesn't bloody make any runs into the box I have no bloody idea!
I was watching him closely whenever the ball reach the final 1/3 and instead of actually dropping back to receive the ball or making runs in and around the box - you know actually attempting to make space for himself - he spent the majority of the game solely standing around the edge of the 18 yard box inline with the central defenders.
Utterly terrible player, the difference when Crouch came on was night and day, Crouch actually moved, made space and players actually had a cat in hells chance of getting the ball to him!
How we are supposed to created ANYTHING if the the furthest forward player is totally static I have no idea, the number of times the we got the ball into forward positions on the wing and there was NO ONE making any movement into the 18 yard was not funny!
Hughes was one of the best strikers to play the game so how he lets this joker play in the team I do not know!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2014 21:42:46 GMT
..anyone up for questioning Hughes and a failure to properly prepare, organise, motivate or set a strategy - especially after the sending off ......and odd substitution policy.....etc etc ?? Just asking like...
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 24, 2014 21:44:38 GMT
Bojan is a very difficult player to integrate in a team as he has no clear position. Now I want to put forth a question which requires an honest answer - would we have bought him if he had say 7 million price tag on his head ? I believe the answer is NO fir the very simple reason that what we needed was not a bojan type player. But on a free we couldn't resist. The point remains that we need a good central midfielder capable of dominating play; a good CF who can bang in 12 - 15 goals per season; possibly a CB capable of playing the ball as well as defending, suitable to the new style of play. We haven't bought any of the 3 coz we just chased freebies this summer What is a Bojan type player in your opinion. You must have seen his goals in the friendlies . could you see Walters doing that , because I can't. All Bojan needs is time and we should be playing to his and Dioufs strengths. I thought he and crouch played played well together and I would personally drop Arnautovic altogether. Way way way off the boil. He needs shooting practise 5 days a week for the next month before I would consider him. Odemwingie was our best player and even he wasn't that good... bojan is a false no 9. He's not a number 10, not the creative midfielder we need. So not easy at all to integrate him. I'm not questioning his talent but let's not forget that last year he only managed 5 goals playing for Ajax in a league which is immensely easier than the premier league |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 21:45:50 GMT
..anyone up for questioning Hughes and a failure to properly prepare, organise, motivate or set a strategy - especially after the sending off ......and odd substitution policy.....etc etc ?? Just asking like... Well,.....I suppose I could try , but I doubt if I'd be as cutting or as ruthless as Nigel Johnsons type interviews.. " well Mark...we got a point ...your thoughts ? ". |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2014 21:50:30 GMT
..anyone up for questioning Hughes and a failure to properly prepare, organise, motivate or set a strategy - especially after the sending off ......and odd substitution policy.....etc etc ?? Just asking like... Weren't 2 of the 3 substitutions forced on Hughes by injuries to Whelan and Arnie? I fail to see what else Hughes could have done today. He put all our likely goal threats onto the pitch in search of an equaliser and sheer persistance bought us one. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 24, 2014 21:54:44 GMT
It's going to take time to completely evolve from our neanderthalithic past. Wish everyone would chill the fuck out.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 24, 2014 21:55:46 GMT
Diouf was worse than poor - he was an utterly abject waste of space. We were playing with 10 men on the pitch from the off carrying that useless tosser! How he expects to score when he doesn't bloody make any runs into the box I have no bloody idea! I was watching him closely whenever the ball reach the final 1/3 and instead of actually dropping back to receive the ball or making runs in and around the box - you know actually attempting to make space for himself - he spent the majority of the game solely standing around the edge of the 18 yard box inline with the central defenders. Utterly terrible player, the difference when Crouch came on was night and day, Crouch actually moved, made space and players actually had a cat in hells chance of getting the ball to him! How we are supposed to created ANYTHING if the the furthest forward player is totally static I have no idea, the number of times the we got the ball into forward positions on the wing and there was NO ONE making any movement into the 18 yard was not funny! Hughes was one of the best strikers to play the game so how he lets this joker play in the team I do not know! What a ridiculously OTT assassination of Diouf. 1st half I don't think he was given a single bal to run on to or attack and Arnie, Odemwingie and Nzonzi gave him nothing to work with. The 1 chance he had he created himself by out pacing and out muscling Chesters but the ref wrongly blew for a free kick. 2nd half he wasn't great but was 'hung out to dry' on the wing after the introduction of Crouch. By no means am I saying he had a good game. But you are writing him off way too quickly. The other attacking players were just as bad as him today. If our other 3 attacking players are creating opportunities fr him that he doesn't take then by all means right him off then. I will reserve judgement personally. His scoring record in the Bundesliga for the last 2 seasons suggests he is a much better player than you are giving him credit for though. |
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Post by philm87 on Aug 24, 2014 21:56:54 GMT
Bojan did fine today. He was our best player second half, although that isn't saying much.
Difficult to know where to play him. Reckon he would work better with Crouch than with Diouf though. Like Crouch and Van Der Fart at Spurs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 21:57:02 GMT
..anyone up for questioning Hughes and a failure to properly prepare, organise, motivate or set a strategy - especially after the sending off ......and odd substitution policy.....etc etc ?? Just asking like... Weren't 2 of the 3 substitutions forced on Hughes by injuries to Whelan and Arnie? I fail to see what else Hughes could have done today. He put all our likely goal threats onto the pitch in search of an equaliser and sheer persistance bought us one. Well that's exactly the fucking problem. mark Hughes doesn't know what more he could have done because he doesn't know his best team. We are not gelling together as a unit and until we do , then it's like trying to piece together a jigsaw without the accompanying picture. It could take weeks at this rate. They've been together a while now and we are no further forward in establishing which is our best 11 players on the pitch. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 24, 2014 22:02:39 GMT
I am now expecting bottom six not top six!
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 24, 2014 23:01:56 GMT
I agree with Rossi that we can't expect miracles overnight. But to completely chance our forward line is a bit naive from Hughes. Really we should be starting one or both of Crouch and Walters, we need to integrate players slowly with players who already have a understanding. Right now I think Crouch/Wingie/Walters should be starting up top with Walters/Wingie out wide.
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