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Post by riponstokie on Aug 24, 2014 16:34:25 GMT
I'm not going to thoughtlessly slate the new signings etc but I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times it takes players time to adapt as we saw with Arnie. I think it was incredibly naive to start Diouf last week and again today. Firstly, he is clearly a confidence player and being thrown right in the deepend isn't helping him whatsoever as he is not yet upto the standard and physicality of the Prem and as we all saw today he is not yet good enough. He will come good but at the minute playing him isn't doing his confidence or the team any good at all. We have to remember the players that actually got us to a record breaking 9th last season. Hughes has shown them no respect as the likes of Crouch Walters and even Gcam are sat on the bench without really doing anything to be dropped. The new players should earn the right to start not just waltz in and take the place of players that fought for the club last season and seasons before that. The risk with that is firstly new players will take time to click into the team and also it could disrupt the team spirit which has served us so well. I hope Hughes sorts it out and proves me wrong but we will see.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 24, 2014 16:37:02 GMT
What if Diouf had banged in a couple of goals as hughes and us all want him to do. I personally think Diouf will score goals for us once the likes of moses and arnie when he gets his arse in gear get going.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 24, 2014 16:38:31 GMT
Walters hasn't done anything to be dropped? Hahahahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 16:40:47 GMT
I thought Hughes' subs today were out of panic/desperation more than calculation, but apart form that he did alright. The right XI was picked, and it was up to the players to perform...which they didn't.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 24, 2014 16:59:53 GMT
I thought Hughes' subs today were out of panic/desperation more than calculation, but apart form that he did alright. The right XI was picked, and it was up to the players to perform...which they didn't. again  |
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Aug 24, 2014 16:59:56 GMT
The only player he brought on who looked like he wanted to win the game was Adam personally. Thought the game was asking for him as first sub really. ah well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 17:02:10 GMT
Arnautovic is piggin awful. His passing ...his shooting ...everything.
He needs dropping.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 24, 2014 17:18:19 GMT
Arnautovic is piggin awful. His passing ...his shooting ...everything. He needs dropping. Yet he still made more key passes than anyone else.... he was poor today its not good to see. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 24, 2014 17:20:12 GMT
I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself.. Really?!? That would be a first for you. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 24, 2014 17:24:05 GMT
I thought Hughes' subs today were out of panic/desperation more than calculation, but apart form that he did alright. The right XI was picked, and it was up to the players to perform...which they didn't. I thought his first substitution was spot on. If anything, it could've been 5 minutes earlier. And his second substitution was the right one, but could've been earlier too. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 17:24:23 GMT
Arnautovic is piggin awful. His passing ...his shooting ...everything. He needs dropping. Yet he still made more key passes than anyone else.... he was poor today its not good to see. No he didn't. His free kick never made it past a wall of one , and his corners were even worse. His shooting killed three pigeons. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 24, 2014 17:29:06 GMT
Yet he still made more key passes than anyone else.... he was poor today its not good to see. No he didn't. His free kick never made it past a wall of one , and his corners were even worse. His shooting killed three pigeons. What does that have to do with key passes? Most of everything he did was poor yet Opta says he made more key passes than anyone else. |
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Post by slother on Aug 24, 2014 17:32:34 GMT
No he didn't. His free kick never made it past a wall of one , and his corners were even worse. His shooting killed three pigeons. What does that have to do with key passes? Most of everything he did was poor yet Opta says he made more key passes than anyone else. Yes, he has a knack for excellent key passes. I wonder if he wouldn't be better in the middle behind the striker. Plenty of players around him to give him space and to mop up when he fucks up. |
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Post by stonestokie76 on Aug 24, 2014 17:32:58 GMT
I'm not going to thoughtlessly slate the new signings etc but I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times it takes players time to adapt as we saw with Arnie. I think it was incredibly naive to start Diouf last week and again today. Firstly, he is clearly a confidence player and being thrown right in the deepend isn't helping him whatsoever as he is not yet upto the standard and physicality of the Prem and as we all saw today he is not yet good enough. He will come good but at the minute playing him isn't doing his confidence or the team any good at all. We have to remember the players that actually got us to a record breaking 9th last season. Hughes has shown them no respect as the likes of Crouch Walters and even Gcam are sat on the bench without really doing anything to be dropped. The new players should earn the right to start not just waltz in and take the place of players that fought for the club last season and seasons before that. The risk with that is firstly new players will take time to click into the team and also it could disrupt the team spirit which has served us so well. I hope Hughes sorts it out and proves me wrong but we will see. This!,,based on albeit 2 games none of the new signings are a significant step up on what we have in that great run back end of last season, but for someone reason they have all walked into the team before the others were given a chance!, dangerous tactic for morale going forwards. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 24, 2014 17:34:50 GMT
What does that have to do with key passes? Most of everything he did was poor yet Opta says he made more key passes than anyone else. Yes, he has a knack for excellent key passes. I wonder if he wouldn't be better in the middle behind the striker. Plenty of players around him to give him space and to mop up when he fucks up. He played as a number 10 against Villa last season, he was awful. However i think he would be good there. |
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Post by jarvinski on Aug 24, 2014 17:54:08 GMT
Whelan showing his true colours now, after a decent end of season he is showing again that he is dog shit, I am pretty sure sidewall could do his job ffs
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 24, 2014 18:03:53 GMT
I thought Hughes' subs today were out of panic/desperation more than calculation, but apart form that he did alright. The right XI was picked, and it was up to the players to perform...which they didn't. I thought his first substitution was spot on. If anything, it could've been 5 minutes earlier. And his second substitution was the right one, but could've been earlier too. His first substitution led directly to the goal..........Bojan was not strong enough in the tackle and it gave Hull a strike on goal that they shouldn't have had at all. I fully believe it was the right decision to sub Whelan for a more attacking player like Bojan but the timing was all wrong ( unless Whelan was injured that is ). I, personally, am always worried by a voluntary substitution being made directly before defending a set piece. |
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 24, 2014 18:59:01 GMT
I thought his first substitution was spot on. If anything, it could've been 5 minutes earlier. And his second substitution was the right one, but could've been earlier too. His first substitution led directly to the goal..........Bojan was not strong enough in the tackle and it gave Hull a strike on goal that they shouldn't have had at all. I fully believe it was the right decision to sub Whelan for a more attacking player like Bojan but the timing was all wrong ( unless Whelan was injured that is ). I, personally, am always worried by a voluntary substitution being made directly before defending a set piece. Whelan was injured. |
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 24, 2014 18:59:57 GMT
His first substitution led directly to the goal..........Bojan was not strong enough in the tackle and it gave Hull a strike on goal that they shouldn't have had at all. I fully believe it was the right decision to sub Whelan for a more attacking player like Bojan but the timing was all wrong ( unless Whelan was injured that is ). I, personally, am always worried by a voluntary substitution being made directly before defending a set piece. Whelan was injured. Okay fair enough then...I missed that tbh. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 24, 2014 19:19:21 GMT
I'm not going to thoughtlessly slate the new signings etc but I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times it takes players time to adapt as we saw with Arnie. I think it was incredibly naive to start Diouf last week and again today. Firstly, he is clearly a confidence player and being thrown right in the deepend isn't helping him whatsoever as he is not yet upto the standard and physicality of the Prem and as we all saw today he is not yet good enough. He will come good but at the minute playing him isn't doing his confidence or the team any good at all. We have to remember the players that actually got us to a record breaking 9th last season. Hughes has shown them no respect as the likes of Crouch Walters and even Gcam are sat on the bench without really doing anything to be dropped. The new players should earn the right to start not just waltz in and take the place of players that fought for the club last season and seasons before that. The risk with that is firstly new players will take time to click into the team and also it could disrupt the team spirit which has served us so well. I hope Hughes sorts it out and proves me wrong but we will see. I agree, and expected him to start with the same players that finished last season. However, there can't be many people who disagreed with the team he started last week? Hindsight is a strange beast. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:27:27 GMT
I said get Bojan on and sacrifice one of the 3 central midfielders as soon as they went down to 10 men.That seemed like the obvious decision to me when you have a man over.Unfortunately when he did finally bring him on he wasn't able to make use of the extra space we should have had.
I think it's going to take Diouf and Bojan some time to get used to the Prem and on that basis I wouldn't be starting them in the next few fixtures
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Post by robstokie on Aug 24, 2014 20:01:32 GMT
The only thing I can really criticise is the fact that Diouf, Bojan and possibly Bardsley (although he hasn't looked too bad to be fair) were chucked in straight ahead of the players who ended last season. I would have personally had them on the bench and playing cup fixtures to start with, with impressive cameos to be rewarded with more regular game time. I could also make a point about the amount we have over-played the ball at times, but I suppose it could take a few 'real' games played at game pace for the problem to be rectified.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 24, 2014 20:15:44 GMT
I'm not going to thoughtlessly slate the new signings etc but I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times it takes players time to adapt as we saw with Arnie. I think it was incredibly naive to start Diouf last week and again today. Firstly, he is clearly a confidence player and being thrown right in the deepend isn't helping him whatsoever as he is not yet upto the standard and physicality of the Prem and as we all saw today he is not yet good enough. He will come good but at the minute playing him isn't doing his confidence or the team any good at all. We have to remember the players that actually got us to a record breaking 9th last season. Hughes has shown them no respect as the likes of Crouch Walters and even Gcam are sat on the bench without really doing anything to be dropped. The new players should earn the right to start not just waltz in and take the place of players that fought for the club last season and seasons before that. The risk with that is firstly new players will take time to click into the team and also it could disrupt the team spirit which has served us so well. I hope Hughes sorts it out and proves me wrong but we will see. Why do people keep peddling this rubbish about getting Walters and Crouch into the side? Did nobody watch the last 6 or 7 games of last season? Dropping Crouch and Walters then was the best thing Hughes did and we looked a far better side for it. We didn't finish the season strongly with either of them pair in the side so that's clearly not the answer either. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 24, 2014 20:32:09 GMT
I'm not going to thoughtlessly slate the new signings etc but I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times it takes players time to adapt as we saw with Arnie. I think it was incredibly naive to start Diouf last week and again today. Firstly, he is clearly a confidence player and being thrown right in the deepend isn't helping him whatsoever as he is not yet upto the standard and physicality of the Prem and as we all saw today he is not yet good enough. He will come good but at the minute playing him isn't doing his confidence or the team any good at all. We have to remember the players that actually got us to a record breaking 9th last season. Hughes has shown them no respect as the likes of Crouch Walters and even Gcam are sat on the bench without really doing anything to be dropped. The new players should earn the right to start not just waltz in and take the place of players that fought for the club last season and seasons before that. The risk with that is firstly new players will take time to click into the team and also it could disrupt the team spirit which has served us so well. I hope Hughes sorts it out and proves me wrong but we will see. Why do people keep peddling this rubbish about getting Walters and Crouch into the side? Did nobody watch the last 6 or 7 games of last season? Dropping Crouch and Walters then was the best thing Hughes did and we looked a far better side for it. We didn't finish the season strongly with either of them pair in the side so that's clearly not the answer either. Absolutely - this! |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2014 20:34:00 GMT
I'm not going to thoughtlessly slate the new signings etc but I am going to critisise Mr. Hughes himself. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times it takes players time to adapt as we saw with Arnie. I think it was incredibly naive to start Diouf last week and again today. Firstly, he is clearly a confidence player and being thrown right in the deepend isn't helping him whatsoever as he is not yet upto the standard and physicality of the Prem and as we all saw today he is not yet good enough. He will come good but at the minute playing him isn't doing his confidence or the team any good at all. We have to remember the players that actually got us to a record breaking 9th last season. Hughes has shown them no respect as the likes of Crouch Walters and even Gcam are sat on the bench without really doing anything to be dropped. The new players should earn the right to start not just waltz in and take the place of players that fought for the club last season and seasons before that. The risk with that is firstly new players will take time to click into the team and also it could disrupt the team spirit which has served us so well. I hope Hughes sorts it out and proves me wrong but we will see. Why do people keep peddling this rubbish about getting Walters and Crouch into the side? Did nobody watch the last 6 or 7 games of last season? Dropping Crouch and Walters then was the best thing Hughes did and we looked a far better side for it. We didn't finish the season strongly with either of them pair in the side so that's clearly not the answer either. It's like a comfort blanket. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 24, 2014 20:40:55 GMT
If at first you don't succeed, panic.
Seems to be the motto at the moment.
One game at home lost and one point away gained, no worse than manure, yet we are doomed but they will be OK.
Early days, we will come good.
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Post by Ayupshag on Aug 24, 2014 20:47:57 GMT
Bojan is utter quality, that's plain to see. Personally I'd start him every week. He needs game time to adjust and he won't get that on the bench. Some of the positions he was in today were great but he just never got the ball. When he has got the ball I think he's a bit too clever for what's around him, he's knocking a ball into a hole and everyone has gone the other way which makes Bojan look a bit daft. The lad is always in a pocket of space and that is the mark of a quality player
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Post by minnierover on Aug 24, 2014 21:20:39 GMT
Bojan is utter quality, that's plain to see. Personally I'd start him every week. He needs game time to adjust and he won't get that on the bench. Some of the positions he was in today were great but he just never got the ball. When he has got the ball I think he's a bit too clever for what's around him, he's knocking a ball into a hole and everyone has gone the other way which makes Bojan look a bit daft. The lad is always in a pocket of space and that is the mark of a quality player Agree wholeheartedly, but today he cost us a goal when he was brushed aside like dandruff on his openers shoulder. No doubt he's exceptionally skillful but this ain't under 18's Spanish football where they encourage non contact football, this is the premiership. If he isn't up to it physically he will not get a chance to make his mark. |
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 24, 2014 21:21:34 GMT
Why do people keep peddling this rubbish about getting Walters and Crouch into the side? Did nobody watch the last 6 or 7 games of last season? Dropping Crouch and Walters then was the best thing Hughes did and we looked a far better side for it. We didn't finish the season strongly with either of them pair in the side so that's clearly not the answer either. It's like a comfort blanket. I think we may need all the comfort we can get if this continues. We started our run of improved results last season when we reverted to a more direct approach using Crouch with Walters in behind him. As a result we could mix the play giving us options rather than the relegation fodder being dished up prior to this. Walters was excellent during this period actually, as was Odders, Crouch and Arnie. Today I'd have played Crouch from the start and brought Jon on to inject some energy (sadly lacking along with work rate, organisation, shape, structure, sharpness and fitness)and quite frankly he cares and does in fact give a shit about our club. Judging by our first two performances and fitness levels compared to Villa & Hull a few Austrian mountains may have been just what was needed pre season. I just hope and prey that the likes of Jon Walters are still Stoke players come this time next week because as things stand we are going to need strong hard working characters like JW. |
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 24, 2014 21:59:36 GMT
It's like a comfort blanket. I think we may need all the comfort we can get if this continues. We started our run of improved results last season when we reverted to a more direct approach using Crouch with Walters in behind him. As a result we could mix the play giving us options rather than the relegation fodder being dished up prior to this. Walters was excellent during this period actually, as was Odders, Crouch and Arnie. Today I'd have played Crouch from the start and brought Jon on to inject some energy (sadly lacking along with work rate, organisation, shape, structure, sharpness and fitness)and quite frankly he cares and does in fact give a shit about our club. Judging by our first two performances and fitness levels compared to Villa & Hull a few Austrian mountains may have been just what was needed pre season. I just hope and prey that the likes of Jon Walters are still Stoke players come this time next week because as things stand we are going to need strong hard working characters like JW. How do you know he gives more of a shit about the club than anyone else? Just because he runs around a lot? If he cared so much would he be running to the press saying he wants to leave if he's not playing. |
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