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Post by unknown182 on Aug 20, 2014 19:07:33 GMT
They should raise the platform of the disabled areas. It's the only way it will work unless they fill in a corner and make an entire designated area.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 19:12:50 GMT
It's a cracking idea. Especially if were playing poor because I can spend some time trying stick my sticker to the bloke in front without him knowing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 19:37:40 GMT
So just to make sure
1) I can no longer swear in the Stadium 2) I can no longer chant offensive songs 3) I can no longer wear any clothes with advertising logo's not 'approved' by the club 4) I can no longer enter 'intoxicated' 5) I can no longer smoke in the Stadium 6) I can no longer take hip flasks, thermos flasks or any other drinking vessel into the ground 7) I can no longer take a coke bottle top into the ground 8) I can no longer pay cash on the day to enter the ground 9) I can no longer record or take pictures of anything in the ground
10) And now I can't fucking stand up during exciting or spontaneous action
GD
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 20, 2014 19:54:43 GMT
They should raise the platform of the disabled areas. It's the only way it will work unless they fill in a corner and make an entire designated area. As said earlier the ramp would need to be about 30 feet long to make it a safe gradient. There is no simple solution to the problem other than putting them next to the pitch.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 20:12:48 GMT
So just to make sure 1) I can no longer swear in the Stadium 2) I can no longer chant offensive songs 3) I can no longer wear any clothes with advertising logo's not 'approved' by the club 4) I can no longer enter 'intoxicated' 5) I can no longer smoke in the Stadium 6) I can no longer take hip flasks, thermos flasks or any other drinking vessel into the ground 7) I can no longer take a coke bottle top into the ground 8) I can no longer pay cash on the day to enter the ground 9) I can no longer record or take pictures of anything in the ground 10) And now I can't fucking stand up during exciting or spontaneous actionGD Only if someone has stuck a sticker on your back!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2014 20:17:40 GMT
They should raise the platform of the disabled areas. It's the only way it will work unless they fill in a corner and make an entire designated area. As said earlier the ramp would need to be about 30 feet long to make it a safe gradient. There is no simple solution to the problem other than putting them next to the pitch. Couldn't they install a hydraulic lift at the end of each platform, which lifts the wheelchair the few feet that is required to access the new level? The sticker idea really does beggar belief - I can't believe the Supporters Council doesn't realise how foolish they actually look.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 20:20:44 GMT
They should raise the platform of the disabled areas. It's the only way it will work unless they fill in a corner and make an entire designated area. As said earlier the ramp would need to be about 30 feet long to make it a safe gradient. There is no simple solution to the problem other than putting them next to the pitch. Siting the wheelchairs on a hydraulic lifting platform would do the trick. You'd have the platform in the down position until kick off and then drop it down again at half time etc. It would be a custom built and much larger version of the lifts that you can get to lift wheel chairs into vehicles - a café in a village near me even has one to lift chairs 3 feet from the carpark to the café level. I'm not sure how or whether such a system would comply with fire regulations (for evacuation of the stadium) - can they be designed to be lowered quickly and safely if power is lost for example?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 20:23:36 GMT
As said earlier the ramp would need to be about 30 feet long to make it a safe gradient. There is no simple solution to the problem other than putting them next to the pitch. Couldn't they install a hydraulic lift at the end of each platform, which lifts the wheelchair the few feet that is required to access the new level? The sticker idea really does beggar belief - I can't believe the Supporters Council doesn't realise how foolish they actually look. See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 20, 2014 20:27:11 GMT
They should raise the platform of the disabled areas. It's the only way it will work unless they fill in a corner and make an entire designated area. As said earlier the ramp would need to be about 30 feet long to make it a safe gradient. There is no simple solution to the problem other than putting them next to the pitch. I have been campaigning and listening to both sides of this problem for a while now, and was the one that suggested the disabled supporters to start a petition to at least gauge the extent of the problem. The club over the past years have offered solutions to the problem and have been met with viable reasons that the solution is not acceptable. Until the ground is extended this will always become a problem and all stoke can do is ask that those Infront can think of this disabled fans behind them. The Only other solution is to ask all the fans in the two front rows Infront of the disabled area to move their season Tickets to another part of the ground, and you can imagine that would be met with unwillingness from those people, some who have had season tickets there from when the ground first opened. This sticker is just to remind then fans and is in no way a solution and was not meant to be
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 20, 2014 20:28:12 GMT
Couldn't they install a hydraulic lift at the end of each platform, which lifts the wheelchair the few feet that is required to access the new level? The sticker idea really does beggar belief - I can't believe the Supporters Council doesn't realise how foolish they actually look. See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply. Already looked into in the past, cannot find a lift that complies to regs
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 20, 2014 20:30:10 GMT
How about removing the rows of seats that are infront of the disabled areas and reseating those folk elsewhere with a discount.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 20, 2014 20:32:19 GMT
How about removing the rows of seats that are infront of the disabled areas and reseating those folk elsewhere with a discount. That's the only solution without redesigning ground, look at my previous post
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Post by swampmongrel on Aug 20, 2014 20:35:45 GMT
Couldn't they install a hydraulic lift at the end of each platform, which lifts the wheelchair the few feet that is required to access the new level? The sticker idea really does beggar belief - I can't believe the Supporters Council doesn't realise how foolish they actually look. See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply. Or individual elevating chairs
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 20:36:31 GMT
See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply. Already looked into in the past, cannot find a lift that complies to regs
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2014 20:44:32 GMT
Couldn't they install a hydraulic lift at the end of each platform, which lifts the wheelchair the few feet that is required to access the new level? The sticker idea really does beggar belief - I can't believe the Supporters Council doesn't realise how foolish they actually look. See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply. Is there enough space to install ones that could accommodate 6 at a time? If fire regs are an issue then you're back to creating a dedicated area in the corner I guess? I know this is far from ideal but realistically there isn't an alternative is there? Given the choice would people prefer to stay where they are or have the option of moving to somewhere where they're guaranteed a view at all times?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2014 20:47:52 GMT
How about removing the rows of seats that are infront of the disabled areas and reseating those folk elsewhere with a discount. The steps are pretty shallow aren't they - what would we be talking about 4 rows?
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 20, 2014 20:48:34 GMT
Put seatbelts on! PMSL. OS.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2014 20:49:26 GMT
See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply. Or individual elevating chairs That looks the best idea to me so far.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2014 20:49:51 GMT
See my post above Paul. I dodn't see how your suggestion of a lift which would elevate one chair at a time could possibly comply with fire regs. But a lifting platform for, say, 6 chairs and helpers MIGHT comply. Or individual elevating chairs The former national chair of the National Association of Disabled Supporters ( as it then was, before it became LPF) had one of those chairs. When people in front of him stood up, he simply elevated himself so he could see above them. Of course, the problem then was that he was blocking the view of those behind, and sometimes had some abuse as a result (which he simply responded to by pointing to those standing in front of him). But of course a lot of wheelchair users don't own one of those.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 20:53:01 GMT
Or individual elevating chairs That looks the best idea to me so far. Do they always rise slowly - or is there a "Jack in the Box" option?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2014 20:56:53 GMT
Or individual elevating chairs The former national chair of the National Association of Disabled Supporters ( as it then was, before it became LPF) had one of those chairs. When people in front of him stood up, he simply elevated himself so he could see above them. Of course, the problem then was that he was blocking the view of those behind, and sometimes had some abuse as a result (which he simply responded to by pointing to those standing in front of him). But of course a lot of wheelchair users don't own one of those. Thing is when in use they wouldn't block anybody's view at the Brit would they? Couldn't the club provide them and wheelchair users then transfer into them privately on arrival at the stadium?
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 20, 2014 20:57:16 GMT
John! LOL.
OS.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 20, 2014 21:00:34 GMT
I've got the perfect answer.... Put a glass bottom on this... OS.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2014 21:09:19 GMT
The former national chair of the National Association of Disabled Supporters ( as it then was, before it became LPF) had one of those chairs. When people in front of him stood up, he simply elevated himself so he could see above them. Of course, the problem then was that he was blocking the view of those behind, and sometimes had some abuse as a result (which he simply responded to by pointing to those standing in front of him). But of course a lot of wheelchair users don't own one of those. Thing is when in use they wouldn't block anybody's view at the Brit would they? Couldn't the club provide them and wheelchair users then transfer into them privately on arrival at the stadium? That's a very good point, Paul - they probably wouldn't. Whether it would be feasible or appropriate to transfer in the way you suggest is something which would need to be discussed with wheelchair users themselves, and the answer of course might vary on an individual basis, but at least it's a creative idea to put into the mix. I would guess that these chairs don't come cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:12:25 GMT
I've got the perfect answer.... Put a glass bottom on this... OS. You know how we've never found much of a use for Palacios . . .
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2014 21:17:52 GMT
Thing is when in use they wouldn't block anybody's view at the Brit would they? Couldn't the club provide them and wheelchair users then transfer into them privately on arrival at the stadium? That's a very good point, Paul - they probably wouldn't. Whether it would be feasible or appropriate to transfer in the way you suggest is something which would need to be discussed with wheelchair users themselves, and the answer of course might vary on an individual basis, but at least it's a creative idea to put into the mix. I would guess that these chairs don't come cheap. I bet they don't come cheap Malcolm but by simply multiplying the individual cost of one against the number that would be required, would for the very first time provide a tangible financial figure and the club could then decide whether they would be prepared to meet it in order to resolve the problem. At the end of the day, any solution isn't going to come cheap and if they'd got it right in the first place, then they wouldn't be having to address the situation now. Do they REALLY want to do something about it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:20:10 GMT
That looks the best idea to me so far. Do they always rise slowly - or is there a "Jack in the Box" option? I've just spat my cup of tea all over my keyboard PMSL
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 20, 2014 21:21:25 GMT
I have just Messaged that wheel chair to the club, see what response it has. It is a creative idea but expect the chairs to be on the expensive side
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 20, 2014 21:29:42 GMT
But this doesn't just apply to those in wheelchairs, even though I think most definitely they are a special case. (Don't any PC person take that the wrong way!) What about poor old ambulant disabled farts like me who misses most goals because I can't get up quick enough when everybody else does when the ball is slamming into the back of the net at The Boothen? Or, in the case of the bloke in front of me who is up and down like a pair of prostitute's knickers... even when we have a corner?
I have a partial answer for old codgers like me. Stamp (in indelible purple sticky ink) on the top of my bald head the word 'TAWT' so I can headbutt him when he sits down again, and when he leaves the stadium he can be arrested and his season ticket taken away. That would do me.
OS.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 20, 2014 21:33:55 GMT
Do they always rise slowly - or is there a "Jack in the Box" option? I've just spat my cup of tea all over my keyboard PMSL PMSL. Me too. Are people really serious when they're proposing those 'elevating-jack-in-the-box' chairs? What if the disabled person doesn't like heights? It will be like a Punch and Judy show with blokes popping up and down shouting 'He's behind you!' OS.
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