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Post by mozzer on Aug 20, 2014 11:55:17 GMT
Well I sit in the row directly in front of some of our disabled fans, I have to be honest I try to be as courteous as I can but when the game gets exciting I forget and probably block their view temporarily, It is not because I do not care it is because football is a spectator sport that needs crowd participation to generate atmosphere and excitement, when the play gets to a stage when it is exciting such as a 1 on 1 with the keeper I will naturally stand up in anticipation of what I pay my money for...a Stoke goal. No disrespect to the disabled people at all here but there is no other way to put it, unfortunately their disability should not impair my enjoyment of the game, it should be the clubs responsibility to give these people a view of the game that does not impair their enjoyment likewise my enjoyment should not be impaired to do so, the old Vic had the blue cars at the edge of the pitch to enable a decent view for the disabled fans then we had a dedicated disabled stand erected at Vale park, in todays game they should have part of the front row of the ground with an un blocked view and the disabled aresa should be swapped to seated areas thus removing all the limitations of the current set up…or a nice little stand erected in the corner where the sky studio used to sit to give a decent elevated view.
Sorry if my response upsets anyone it is supposed not to but this is a very sticky subject to cover.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 20, 2014 11:57:18 GMT
Well I sit in the row directly in front of some of our disabled fans, I have to be honest I try to be as courteous as I can but when the game gets exciting I forget and probably block their view temporarily, It is not because I do not care it is because football is a spectator sport that needs crowd participation to generate atmosphere and excitement, when the play gets to a stage when it is exciting such as a 1 on 1 with the keeper I will naturally stand up in anticipation of what I pay my money for...a Stoke goal. No disrespect to the disabled people at all here but there is no other way to put it, unfortunately their disability should not impair my enjoyment of the game, it should be the clubs responsibility to give these people a view of the game that does not impair their enjoyment likewise my enjoyment should not be impaired to do so, the old Vic had the blue cars at the edge of the pitch to enable a decent view for the disabled fans then we had a dedicated disabled stand erected at Vale park, in todays game they should have part of the front row of the ground with an un blocked view and the disabled aresa should be swapped to seated areas thus removing all the limitations of the current set up…or a nice little stand erected in the corner where the sky studio used to sit to give a decent elevated view. Sorry if my response upsets anyone it is supposed not to but this is a very sticky subject to cover. I see what you did there
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Post by keasie1863 on Aug 20, 2014 12:01:05 GMT
The only way it would work was if the stickers were double sided ! Very good!!
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Post by keasie1863 on Aug 20, 2014 12:05:04 GMT
How about,a hydraulic platform,linked to the sky cameras.every time an attack is on the platform raises,then lowers when the attack is over.simples.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 20, 2014 12:05:25 GMT
Patronising wank.
Also raising the platforms would require massive ramps of very gradual incline to cater for the wheelchair users who push themselves, as it is, the platforms are on the same level as the ground outside, so "a few feet" would require such a ramp that it would have to extend into the concourse.
Then you have a tripping hazard, or you raise the concourse, or you have a sloped concourse.
It's just not doable.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Aug 20, 2014 12:06:00 GMT
They want us the sit and clap when we score? Right then. Just how sanitised do people want football to become.
To be honest, after this latest embarrassing shambles, the Supporters Council should be scrapped. All credibility has gone.
I've said all along that the people running the club are a bunch of lazy arsed individuals. Point proven with this.
I love this line - "No one from Stoke City was available for comment" - they are all to busy pissing themselves.
Absolutely Pugs, it's embarrassing. Would anyone from the Supporters Council remain seated if Bojan twats in a 40 yarder because of a sticker? I strongly doubt it.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 12:06:48 GMT
Well I sit in the row directly in front of some of our disabled fans, I have to be honest I try to be as courteous as I can but when the game gets exciting I forget and probably block their view temporarily, It is not because I do not care it is because football is a spectator sport that needs crowd participation to generate atmosphere and excitement, when the play gets to a stage when it is exciting such as a 1 on 1 with the keeper I will naturally stand up in anticipation of what I pay my money for...a Stoke goal. No disrespect to the disabled people at all here but there is no other way to put it, unfortunately their disability should not impair my enjoyment of the game, it should be the clubs responsibility to give these people a view of the game that does not impair their enjoyment likewise my enjoyment should not be impaired to do so, the old Vic had the blue cars at the edge of the pitch to enable a decent view for the disabled fans then we had a dedicated disabled stand erected at Vale park, in todays game they should have part of the front row of the ground with an un blocked view and the disabled aresa should be swapped to seated areas thus removing all the limitations of the current set up…or a nice little stand erected in the corner where the sky studio used to sit to give a decent elevated view. Sorry if my response upsets anyone it is supposed not to but this is a very sticky subject to cover. I'm not disabled but if I was I would object to a "solution" which put me on the front row. Everyone else (certainly amongst the season ticket holders) can avoid sitting on the front row, exposed to rain if the wind is in the wrong direction so I don't see why the disabled and their helpers should have to sit there unless they want to.
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Post by vamborools on Aug 20, 2014 12:08:27 GMT
It's only DURING goals, so not much to worry about there then !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 12:10:26 GMT
if the club are genuinely bothered then why don't they all give up their VIP boxes, fuck off and let some real fans have them?
those with a disability wouldn't mind the boxes i'm sure and then let Scholes and the rest sit on the front rows when it's pissing it down.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2014 12:17:00 GMT
Anything is better than nothing, but this is as near to nothing as you can get. It also doesn't give disabled supporters the full matchday experience anyway. If we assume supporters will remain seated until the ball hits the back of the net (and we all know that won't happen), what about the goal celebrations on the pitch, or in my case, spending the first 10 seconds checking the ref hasn't disallowed it, or after the match when the players celebrate (hopefully) and applaud the supporters. These might seem small things, but I'll guarantee that if they were taken away from us, our enjoyment would be the less for it. I've no idea of cost, and I'm sure the owners must get peed off from time to time at how easily supporters would have them spend their money. But surely when we're paying players £50k every week, the cost to rectify the matter fully and properly by raising the platforms or finding/building a better area would be comparatively nominal. I think you make a very good point in your 2nd para. The requirement should be to see the pitch at all times, even when active play isn't taking place.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 20, 2014 12:56:10 GMT
Well I sit in the row directly in front of some of our disabled fans, I have to be honest I try to be as courteous as I can but when the game gets exciting I forget and probably block their view temporarily, It is not because I do not care it is because football is a spectator sport that needs crowd participation to generate atmosphere and excitement, when the play gets to a stage when it is exciting such as a 1 on 1 with the keeper I will naturally stand up in anticipation of what I pay my money for...a Stoke goal. No disrespect to the disabled people at all here but there is no other way to put it, unfortunately their disability should not impair my enjoyment of the game, it should be the clubs responsibility to give these people a view of the game that does not impair their enjoyment likewise my enjoyment should not be impaired to do so, the old Vic had the blue cars at the edge of the pitch to enable a decent view for the disabled fans then we had a dedicated disabled stand erected at Vale park, in todays game they should have part of the front row of the ground with an un blocked view and the disabled aresa should be swapped to seated areas thus removing all the limitations of the current set up…or a nice little stand erected in the corner where the sky studio used to sit to give a decent elevated view. Sorry if my response upsets anyone it is supposed not to but this is a very sticky subject to cover. I'm not disabled but if I was I would object to a "solution" which put me on the front row. Everyone else (certainly amongst the season ticket holders) can avoid sitting on the front row, exposed to rain if the wind is in the wrong direction so I don't see why the disabled and their helpers should have to sit there unless they want to. I give up, some people on here are just to pedantic for words, and its always the same old people........Everyone else could sit on row fucking Z as well if they wanted to but unfortunately most of our disabled counter parts cant, I was looking for "solution" to the problem of an unrestricted view plus overcoming access problems.....lets put access lifts to every seat in the ground to appease the likes of Lakeside to sound and look modern day PC.
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Post by ladyinred on Aug 20, 2014 13:00:52 GMT
As a ramp is not 'do-able' how about a large hydraulic platform - like a lift.
I'm sure that fitting 10 or so of these would be expensive - but i'm sure its possible.
The platform could be completely barriered off for H&S with just a gate at one end.
It is raised at Kick-Off and lowered again at HT/FT etc.
If someone on the platform needs to get down during the match - then it will have to be lowered. Just like in seating areas, if someone needs to get up, then the whole row have to stand to let them pass.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 20, 2014 13:14:49 GMT
They could be housed in the newly built corner, when of course its built
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Post by mozzer on Aug 20, 2014 13:16:17 GMT
They could be housed in the newly built corner, when of course its built I just said that too
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 20, 2014 13:38:00 GMT
Well I sit in the row directly in front of some of our disabled fans, I have to be honest I try to be as courteous as I can but when the game gets exciting I forget and probably block their view temporarily, It is not because I do not care it is because football is a spectator sport that needs crowd participation to generate atmosphere and excitement, when the play gets to a stage when it is exciting such as a 1 on 1 with the keeper I will naturally stand up in anticipation of what I pay my money for...a Stoke goal. No disrespect to the disabled people at all here but there is no other way to put it, unfortunately their disability should not impair my enjoyment of the game, it should be the clubs responsibility to give these people a view of the game that does not impair their enjoyment likewise my enjoyment should not be impaired to do so, the old Vic had the blue cars at the edge of the pitch to enable a decent view for the disabled fans then we had a dedicated disabled stand erected at Vale park, in todays game they should have part of the front row of the ground with an un blocked view and the disabled aresa should be swapped to seated areas thus removing all the limitations of the current set up…or a nice little stand erected in the corner where the sky studio used to sit to give a decent elevated view. Sorry if my response upsets anyone it is supposed not to but this is a very sticky subject to cover. I'm not disabled but if I was I would object to a "solution" which put me on the front row. Everyone else (certainly amongst the season ticket holders) can avoid sitting on the front row, exposed to rain if the wind is in the wrong direction so I don't see why the disabled and their helpers should have to sit there unless they want to.
Wasn't one of the USP's for the new stadium the fact that disabled fans were integrated in with everyone? Not very well thought out was it?
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Post by mrred on Aug 20, 2014 13:41:04 GMT
This is the best our supporters can come up with? Fucking hell fire...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 13:54:17 GMT
This is the best our supporters can come up with? Fucking hell fire... I'm hoping that this is an interim proposal and that the club are actively seeking a permanent solution to the problem. I'm a bit sad that the club haven't put out a statement as part of that Sentinel story. All we know is that "the club have not made any promises" but are looking into the problem. I reckon if I were the club I could have written a press release in a few minutes explaining that: a) the club was taking the concerns of the disabled fans seriously - albeit years too late, b) that they had hopes of finding a permanent solution to the problem, c) admitting that a design flaw had caused the problem and that the club accepted that it therefore had the responsibility to sort the problem out and d) acknowledging that, with an income of around £90 million per annum the club accepted that lack of money could not be used as an excuse given that a solution would probably cost less than a few week's wages for one of our higher paid players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 14:16:15 GMT
The supporters council are a joke if they think this is any kind of solution.
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Post by chad on Aug 20, 2014 14:17:08 GMT
I have every sympathy with our disabled supporters I really do. But the day we all stay seated and quietly applaud as Armie hits a screamer into the top corner is the day I'll stop going
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 14:40:19 GMT
I have every sympathy with our disabled supporters I really do. But the day we all stay seated and quietly applaud as Armie hits a screamer into the top corner is the day I'll stop going I'm sure the disabled fans understand your point of view chad. Let's hope the club show a bit of determination to find a PROPER solution.
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Post by Whitmore on Aug 20, 2014 16:27:07 GMT
My thoughts for what they're worth;
Why not......
Take out two rows of seats in front of the disabled viewing platforms (or how ever many rows are needed so that no view is impaired by someone standing in front)
Bring the disabled viewing platform forward by however many rows needed to satisfy the above, maintaining the same lateral level/height
Then insert the rows of seats which have been taken out behind the disabled supporters section, at a gradient which doesn't impair their view
(My understanding is that behind the disabled viewing platforms there is normally a six foot high wall up to the next row of supporters so raising the viewing level is not going to impair anyone's view of the game behind them)
Chuck in a safety barrier or two where needed
Everyone can view the game at all times whether fans stand at some point or not.
The only hindrance I can think of is the sponsorship boards behind the current disabled viewing platforms won't be as visible, but I can't imagine that the revenue streams from sponsorship hoardings are remotely material to the overall financial picture of the club
Disclaimer: I may be missing something glaringly obvious so tin hat is on......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 16:46:14 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 17:03:51 GMT
My thoughts for what they're worth; Why not...... Take out two rows of seats in front of the disabled viewing platforms (or how ever many rows are needed so that no view is impaired by someone standing in front) Bring the disabled viewing platform forward by however many rows needed to satisfy the above, maintaining the same lateral level/height Then insert the rows of seats which have been taken out behind the disabled supporters section, at a gradient which doesn't impair their view (My understanding is that behind the disabled viewing platforms there is normally a six foot high wall up to the next row of supporters so raising the viewing level is not going to impair anyone's view of the game behind them) Chuck in a safety barrier or two where needed Everyone can view the game at all times whether fans stand at some point or not. The only hindrance I can think of is the sponsorship boards behind the current disabled viewing platforms won't be as visible, but I can't imagine that the revenue streams from sponsorship hoardings are remotely material to the overall financial picture of the club Disclaimer: I may be missing something glaringly obvious so tin hat is on...... I'm no engineer but that's the best suggestion I have seen so far. AND it means that the displaced fans from the seats which are removed simply have to move to BEHIND and above the disabled bay. If the supporters council or the club don't come on to this thread then you must make sure you bring it to their attention. PS - at the very least you should get some sort of "Lateral Thinking Award" Edit: I do see a problem but it may not be insurmountable. Those existing seats to the side of the extended disabled platform might end up with a restricted view and, to some extent, this might mean an overall loss of seats which would obviously upset ST holders.
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 20, 2014 17:11:18 GMT
My thoughts for what they're worth; Why not...... Take out two rows of seats in front of the disabled viewing platforms (or how ever many rows are needed so that no view is impaired by someone standing in front) Bring the disabled viewing platform forward by however many rows needed to satisfy the above, maintaining the same lateral level/height Then insert the rows of seats which have been taken out behind the disabled supporters section, at a gradient which doesn't impair their view (My understanding is that behind the disabled viewing platforms there is normally a six foot high wall up to the next row of supporters so raising the viewing level is not going to impair anyone's view of the game behind them) Chuck in a safety barrier or two where needed Everyone can view the game at all times whether fans stand at some point or not. The only hindrance I can think of is the sponsorship boards behind the current disabled viewing platforms won't be as visible, but I can't imagine that the revenue streams from sponsorship hoardings are remotely material to the overall financial picture of the club Disclaimer: I may be missing something glaringly obvious so tin hat is on...... I'm no engineer but that's the best suggestion I have seen so far. AND it means that the displaced fans from the seats which are removed simply have to move to BEHIND and above the disabled bay. If the supporters council or the club don't come on to this thread then you must make sure you bring it to their attention. PS - at the very least you should get some sort of "Lateral Thinking Award" If people sitting to the side of the now advanced disabled seating are able to see through them it would be brilliant. Perhaps it could be made of glass and they could crouch down?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 17:15:19 GMT
I'm no engineer but that's the best suggestion I have seen so far. AND it means that the displaced fans from the seats which are removed simply have to move to BEHIND and above the disabled bay. If the supporters council or the club don't come on to this thread then you must make sure you bring it to their attention. PS - at the very least you should get some sort of "Lateral Thinking Award" If people sitting to the side of the now advanced disabled seating are able to see through them it would be brilliant. Perhaps it could be made of glass and they could crouch down? Yes I had just realised that. It would mean a loss of some, but not all, seats which would end up with restricted views.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 17:28:23 GMT
Knowing our lot they'll have them printed at 'Jimmy Ten Bob Printing Co.' and the print will rub off at the first sign of a wet coat touching it.
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Post by glenge on Aug 20, 2014 18:05:08 GMT
Pathetic. Those stickers, for how many 5000? are about 10p each. At the very least the revenue from the disabled season tickets themselves should've been spent on any improvements.
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Post by swipers on Aug 20, 2014 18:12:51 GMT
Utter bollocks... Mate of mine is disabled but can't go in the disabled area as he's not in a wheelchair. Unfortunately he's vertically challenged and is around 4ft tall so sits in a regular seat near the front, but still has people in front standing. Won't make a scrap of difference. The club need to invest in proper facilities that allow for EVERYONE to enjoy the game seated or standing as it's impossible to stay seated at times.
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Post by fegghayze on Aug 20, 2014 18:37:31 GMT
So easy when we don't have to pay to find a "simple" (but potentially expensive) solution. Wonder how you would feel if your seat was removed to ensure a disabled fan could see the game? Obviously stickers on seats are not going to work long term, but maybe it will make some people think. I have seen able bodied people abuse wheelchair fans who asked if they would sit down. Thankless task trying to help and getting abuse I would imagine. If it was that simple, it would have been fixed by now you would think?
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Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 20, 2014 18:53:50 GMT
Hope they don't stick to my shoes when I'm standing on my seat.
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