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Post by Eggybread on Aug 10, 2014 12:11:33 GMT
Seeing as though we seem to be employing three midfielders nowadays who are your starting three out of?
Nzonzi
Whelan
Sidwell
Ireland
Adam
All have different attributes and negatives and also all add a different dimension to our play which is good imo.Tough one as no one stands out as a definite it starter.For me its Whelan,Nzonzi and Sidwell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 12:13:15 GMT
Better to leave such choices to our manager
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 10, 2014 12:13:55 GMT
Whelan and N'Zonzi holding, Ireland advanced.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2014 12:14:00 GMT
......N'Zonzi....Whelan...........
..........Ireland................
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Post by Jimm on Aug 10, 2014 12:14:40 GMT
Nzonzi Sidwell
Bojan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 12:14:56 GMT
Whelan Ireland Nzonzi
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Aug 10, 2014 12:15:14 GMT
......N'Zonzi....Whelan........... ..........Ireland................ Pretty sure Sparky will kick off with this combo - |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 10, 2014 12:18:34 GMT
For most games I'd choose Whelan, NZonzi and Ireland. In cup games I'd like to see both Muniesa and Cameron (although possibly not at the same time) given chances to see if they can compete with Whelan and NZonzi in the holding role and the box to box roles.
Although I expect Bojan and Ireland to be on the pitch at the same time, there could be times when Ireland is replaced in the "hole" with Bojan.
I'd get rid of Adam, he's got a great eye for goal but I feel we lose too much shape and dynamism with him in the side. I feel he only works as an impact sub and I doubt it is a role he is content with.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 10, 2014 12:19:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 12:21:21 GMT
Muniesa, Sidwell and Ireland.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 10, 2014 12:21:42 GMT
I think you have your answer, majority seem to be going with same three, I couldn't argue against those.
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Post by miltonstokie on Aug 10, 2014 12:24:49 GMT
Better to leave such choices to our manager Yeah lets not discuss things on a message board |
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2014 12:26:12 GMT
We have good options.
Genuinely don't mind.
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Post by pmjh on Aug 10, 2014 12:26:41 GMT
Nzonzi and whelan for sure. I would chose Adam as he dictates the play, although I think Sparky prefers Ireland. Whowould have thought Who would have thought that Whelan would be one of the first names on the teamsheet, On current form he deserves
it .
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 10, 2014 12:28:46 GMT
Muniesa, Sidwell and Ireland. That's downright suicide without N'Zonzi. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2014 12:30:23 GMT
Whelan N'Zonzi
Ireland
It's barely debatable.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 10, 2014 12:33:19 GMT
Nzonzi and whelan for sure. I would chose Adam as he dictates the play, although I think Sparky prefers Ireland. Whowould have thought Who would have thought that Whelan would be one of the first names on the teamsheet, On current form he deserves it . Amazing how people see the game differently. You see, for me, Adam simply doesn't dictate the play. Adam scores some good goals - and some important goals last season. But as a team we look far more co-ordinated and have better shape with Ireland in the side than with Adam. I know you can't take too much from pre-season games but this pre-season it is Ireland who has brought out the best of Bojan and NZonzi. He's been the glue that held the attack together. Adam hasn't been at the races in preseason and we've looked quite poor with him on the pitch. And that's before you discuss the suicidal passes and the inability to tackle........ |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2014 12:38:59 GMT
The manager's boner for Ireland concerns me a bit. He's in pole position now and no problem with that but Hughes does seem to be basing our whole approach around him and I don't think he's good enough to warrant that.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 10, 2014 13:09:12 GMT
The manager's boner for Ireland concerns me a bit. He's in pole position now and no problem with that but Hughes does seem to be basing our whole approach around him and I don't think he's good enough to warrant that. Hughes has always stuck with a player until that player loses his place through injury or is dropped. Then someone else has a go. I'd rather he did that than chop and change for the sake of it. Which midfielder would you build the team shape around, Sheikh? I ask because I'd be seriously upset if we built the team around Adam. Now, we COULD, in time build the team around Bojan in the Ireland position. But we'd be daft to do so until Bojan has got used to the pace and strength of the Premier League. |
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 10, 2014 13:14:52 GMT
Whelan N'Zonzi Ireland It's not in the slightest bit debatable. Sorted your post for you mate  All 3 are absolutely vital to the way we play. All in different ways of course. |
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Post by werrington on Aug 10, 2014 13:15:09 GMT
For most games I'd choose Whelan, NZonzi and Ireland. In cup games I'd like to see both Muniesa and Cameron (although possibly not at the same time) given chances to see if they can compete with Whelan and NZonzi in the holding role and the box to box roles. Although I expect Bojan and Ireland to be on the pitch at the same time, there could be times when Ireland is replaced in the "hole" with Bojan. I'd get rid of Adam, he's got a great eye for goal but I feel we lose too much shape and dynamism with him in the side. I feel he only works as an impact sub and I doubt it is a role he is content with. I just don't get all of this get rid of Adam talk LP ? He was excellent last season so are you basing it on 5 friendlies or the fact when he got suspended we just happened to go on a good run last season ? He was a contender for player of the season until he got ( wrongly ) suspended |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 10, 2014 13:17:48 GMT
I'd go for Sidwell instead of Whelan as I think he is a better player, and a far greater goal threat when going forward.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 10, 2014 13:19:09 GMT
For most games I'd choose Whelan, NZonzi and Ireland. In cup games I'd like to see both Muniesa and Cameron (although possibly not at the same time) given chances to see if they can compete with Whelan and NZonzi in the holding role and the box to box roles. Although I expect Bojan and Ireland to be on the pitch at the same time, there could be times when Ireland is replaced in the "hole" with Bojan. I'd get rid of Adam, he's got a great eye for goal but I feel we lose too much shape and dynamism with him in the side. I feel he only works as an impact sub and I doubt it is a role he is content with. I just don't get all of this get rid of Adam talk LP ? He was excellent last season so are you basing it on 5 friendlies or the fact when he got suspended we just happened to go on a good run last season ? He was a contender for player of the season until he got ( wrongly ) suspended Werrers, I know you don't get it. You make the same point every time I make my point that I don't think he should start in midfield. I don't see any point in going over the same explanations again and again just to keep you happy. If you didn't get it the first time you aren't going to get it the twenty first time, are you? Just accept that you don't agree with me or others who feel the same way as me - and there are many of them. |
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Post by werrington on Aug 10, 2014 13:24:13 GMT
I just don't get all of this get rid of Adam talk LP ? He was excellent last season so are you basing it on 5 friendlies or the fact when he got suspended we just happened to go on a good run last season ? He was a contender for player of the season until he got ( wrongly ) suspended Werrers, I know you don't get it. You make the same point every time I make my point that I don't think he should start in midfield. I don't see any point in going over the same explanations again and again just to keep you happy. If you didn't get it the first time you aren't going to get it the twenty first time, are you? Just accept that you don't agree with me or others who feel the same way as me - and there are many of them. It's because I don't see the reasoning mate ? The facts are the facts and many are just ignoring them and seem intent to get him through the door He a game changer and a different alternative for different games instead of like for like Add his goals into the mix and it's just madness |
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 10, 2014 13:24:27 GMT
Nzonzi has to start. If ireland can start putting his chances away he should be a definate, then between whelan and sidwell for the last.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 10, 2014 13:25:08 GMT
I think that Adam could have an important part to play for us, even if he begins the season as an impact sub.
Reports suggest that he nearly scored from long range (what would have been the winner) in yesterdays friendly v Freiberg,.
We still only converted one chance!
I hope he will thrive on the competition for places and will prove his worth in the squad.
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 10, 2014 13:26:09 GMT
Werrers, I know you don't get it. You make the same point every time I make my point that I don't think he should start in midfield. I don't see any point in going over the same explanations again and again just to keep you happy. If you didn't get it the first time you aren't going to get it the twenty first time, are you? Just accept that you don't agree with me or others who feel the same way as me - and there are many of them. It's because I don't see the reasoning mate ? The facts are the facts and many are just ignoring them and seem intent to get him through the door He a game changer and a different alternative for different games instead of like for like Add his goals into the mix and it's just madness Totally agree mate, we would be mad to get rid! Hes a different, but still a useful player. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 10, 2014 13:31:16 GMT
Werrers, I know you don't get it. You make the same point every time I make my point that I don't think he should start in midfield. I don't see any point in going over the same explanations again and again just to keep you happy. If you didn't get it the first time you aren't going to get it the twenty first time, are you? Just accept that you don't agree with me or others who feel the same way as me - and there are many of them. It's because I don't see the reasoning mate ? The facts are the facts and many are just ignoring them and seem intent to get him through the door He a game changer and a different alternative for different games instead of like for like Add his goals into the mix and it's just madness Werrers, you are wasting your breath. I KNOW you disagree agree with me and it doesn't bother me. Sorry! When you post something in praise of Adam, I don't feel the need to leap in and rubbish your post just because I disagree. We both KNOW that we have opposite opinions on Adam so why bother to keep on criticising one another's posts on the subject? |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2014 13:32:58 GMT
Seeing as though we seem to be employing three midfielders nowadays who are your starting three out of? Nzonzi Whelan Sidwell Ireland Adam All have different attributes and negatives and also all add a different dimension to our play which is good imo.Tough one as no one stands out as a definite it starter.For me its Whelan,Nzonzi and Sidwell. Interesting thing when you look at that list is if you consider the midfield 3 as two holding and one linking up front then it's always going to be Whelan and N'Zonzi as the holding pair and then take your pick from the other three for the remaining space. I guess competition for the holding midfielder places will come from our defenders; particularly Cameron and Muniesa, maybe also (but I hope not) Wilson. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 13:34:06 GMT
The way we set up requires a central defensive midfielder to protect and be cover for the back four when they're out of position, be rock solid in there, pick the ball up from deep, retain possession and keep things ticking over.
Glenn Whelan did that brilliantly last season, we haven't brought in a player in who plays that role so i can't understand why anyone would want him to be replaced.
Steve Sidwell is a box-to-box midfielder, you don't want him in that defensive midfield role because it wouldn't be beneficial to him or the team. They're different types of player.
I still can't get my head around why we'd drop (arguably) our best player last season. It makes no sense at all. Thankfully Mark Hughes won't do that. What kind of pudding would reward someone who had such a fantastic season contributing to the teams success by dropping him for a player who doesn't even do the job that Whelan does?
Must just be some kind of underlying feeling in some of our supporters where, even though he plays exceptionally well, week in week out, they still don't rate Whelan and he's an unglamorous name on the team sheet.
Whelan & Nzonzi will start at the heart of our midfield, and quite rightly so.
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