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Post by countofmontecristo on Aug 2, 2014 10:02:33 GMT
I agree with keeping Cameron instead of Nzonzi - although I rate Nzonzi and voted him player of the season on here the year before last. I just think that Geoffs attitude is what we need in the team. I can see him as a straight replacement for Nzonzi, but being more direct and bringing energy and athleticism as a box to box midfielder. I'm a bit suprised to see so many advocates of him as a DCM as defensive disciplin does not seem to be one of his strengths. I agree with most of that tbh but find it staggering you'd want Cameron over N'Zonzi. We have no one who is as calm on the ball as Fonz, he is vital to how we play with keeping the ball and I just can't see that we have anyone who can replicate that and I certainly wouldn't want to see him go and definitely for nothing less than 10/12 million. It's just not worth it. Agreed on Cameron being more suited to that role than DM though. As I said Bayern, I really rate Nzonzi and agree with what you say re his ability to control the game (even if he does sometimes kill our counter-attacks). It's mainly an attitude thing. Geoff seems to have completely bought into the ethos of the club and I feel we will miss him if he goes. We could sell Geoff and then Nzonzi throws one of his periodical girlie strops and leaves us anyway!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 10:04:55 GMT
I agree with most of that tbh but find it staggering you'd want Cameron over N'Zonzi. We have no one who is as calm on the ball as Fonz, he is vital to how we play with keeping the ball and I just can't see that we have anyone who can replicate that and I certainly wouldn't want to see him go and definitely for nothing less than 10/12 million. It's just not worth it. Agreed on Cameron being more suited to that role than DM though. As I said Bayern, I really rate Nzonzi and agree with what you say re his ability to control the game (even if he does sometimes kill our counter-attacks). It's mainly an attitude thing. Geoff seems to have completely bought into the ethos of the club and I feel we will miss him if he goes. We could sell Geoff and then Nzonzi throws one of his periodical girlie strops and leaves us anyway! Even if that happened I think Sidwell would play above Cameron. It just seems a bit of a big jump to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 10:08:03 GMT
It's a shame 9 clubs are not interested in Marc Wilson.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 10:08:44 GMT
They probably would be if he set his agent to it!
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Post by countofmontecristo on Aug 2, 2014 10:14:02 GMT
As I said Bayern, I really rate Nzonzi and agree with what you say re his ability to control the game (even if he does sometimîes kill our counter-attacks). It's mainly an attitude thing. Geoff seems to have completely bought into the ethos of the club and I feel we will miss him if he goes. We could sell Geoff and then Nzonzi throws one of his periodical girlie strops and leaves us anyway! Even if that happened I think Sidwell would play above Cameron. It just seems a bit of a big jump to me. Fair enough...... just putting it out there!
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 2, 2014 10:49:20 GMT
It's a shame 9 clubs are not interested in Marc Wilson. Why? Why do we need to get rid?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2014 11:12:07 GMT
I think Hull's valuation at £4.5M is a bit low for a WC player who was a regular last season in a top 10 team! I don't think we should consider selling for less than £6M in this case. Geoff's versatility is certainly something all teams could need!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 11:13:32 GMT
It's a shame 9 clubs are not interested in Marc Wilson. Why? Why do we need to get rid? I would rather keep Cameron than Wilson.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2014 11:27:01 GMT
Why? Why do we need to get rid? I would rather keep Cameron than Wilson. Disagree to that one both because of age and what happened last season. Cameron started very well, but as the season went on he was the one to lose his marking/being out of position several times! Wilson on the other hand started shaky with the Lpool and Newcastle games as his worst, but he grew as a player and for the last 8-10 games I thought he was really solid. I actually thought he played so well that I can see him starting ahead of Huth who needs to win his place back! Wilson deserves to start on merit in my opinion.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 2, 2014 11:40:43 GMT
At the moment, I'd be ok to sell Geoff & Crouchie.
Wilson can do right back, if Bards messes up and Diouf is a natural successor to Crouchie. It would free up wages, especially if we paid up Palacios' contract.
Hopefully with those 3 moved on, we can get the winger(s) we need.
Only concern is Crouch is a proven Prem player and a good plan B; but he is 33...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 2, 2014 12:17:48 GMT
GC isn't a full back though. Funny, seems like he played an entire season there last year Shotton played a fair amount on the wing, does that make him a winger?
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Post by RAF on Aug 2, 2014 12:27:26 GMT
At the moment, I'd be ok to sell Geoff & Crouchie. Wilson can do right back, if Bards messes up and Diouf is a natural successor to Crouchie. It would free up wages, especially if we paid up Palacios' contract. Hopefully with those 3 moved on, we can get the winger(s) we need. Only concern is Crouch is a proven Prem player and a good plan B; but he is 33... Exactly how many times have you seen Wilson play at right back to make that decision? H
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 2, 2014 12:33:24 GMT
At the moment, I'd be ok to sell Geoff & Crouchie. Wilson can do right back, if Bards messes up and Diouf is a natural successor to Crouchie. It would free up wages, especially if we paid up Palacios' contract. Hopefully with those 3 moved on, we can get the winger(s) we need. Only concern is Crouch is a proven Prem player and a good plan B; but he is 33... Doesn't really matter how old Crouch is, It's not like he's ever relied on blistering pace is it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 12:34:45 GMT
It would free up wages, especially if we paid up Palacios' contract. Paying up Palacios' contract would not free up wages. It would just mean we gave him his wages early.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 12:57:53 GMT
It would free up wages, especially if we paid up Palacios' contract. Paying up Palacios' contract would not free up wages. It would just mean we gave him his wages early. It would from a FFP point of view though I think.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 2, 2014 13:02:57 GMT
Paying up Palacios' contract would not free up wages. It would just mean we gave him his wages early. It would from a FFP point of view though I think. If you pay up a player's contract that is just an advance payment of wages. It doesn't help the cub to comply with FFP. In fact if you were paying up more than one year of a contract you would be worse off under FFP as you would be paying more than a year's wage for the player in the current year.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2014 13:03:40 GMT
I think the best we can hope for is that we manage to loan Palacios to a Championship club and pay half of his wages. The Quwait deal was almost too good to come true for us unfortunately!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 13:04:54 GMT
It would from a FFP point of view though I think. If you pay up a player's contract that is just an advance payment of wages. It doesn't help the cub to comply with FFP. In fact if you were paying up more than one year of a contract you would be worse off under FFP as you would be paying more than a year's wage for the player in the current year. Is that for definite?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 2, 2014 13:05:35 GMT
If you pay up a player's contract that is just an advance payment of wages. It doesn't help the cub to comply with FFP. In fact if you were paying up more than one year of a contract you would be worse off under FFP as you would be paying more than a year's wage for the player in the current year. Is that for definite? Yes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 13:13:18 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 2, 2014 13:14:34 GMT
Best thing to do is to ask someone else - that way you may get a different answer. It would be the wrong answer but you might like it more.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 2, 2014 13:15:34 GMT
I can't believe the negativity around Bardsley? On a free I think he is one of the smartest transfers we've made in the last 3-4 years. He brings a natural balance to the team, has 200+ prem games a can't remember any glaring errors on the field? I fully expect him to be one of our top 5 players this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 13:21:25 GMT
Best thing to do is to ask someone else - that way you may get a different answer. It would be the wrong answer but you might like it more.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 2, 2014 13:22:33 GMT
I like Geoff, I personally thought he did well last season out of position. But if you have the chance to upgrade your team, sentiment can't come into the reckoning. I'd love him to stay because IF Bardsley doesn't play well, gets injured or gets suspended he'd be a great back up.
Will he want that though?
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Post by claudinho on Aug 2, 2014 13:22:40 GMT
Funny, seems like he played an entire season there last year He isn't a full back. Bardsley is. I guess you can call what Bardsley does playing "full back."
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 2, 2014 13:23:40 GMT
He isn't a full back. Bardsley is. I guess you can call what Bardsley does playing "full back." Well, yeah. A lot of times in fact.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 2, 2014 13:24:28 GMT
I think Hull's valuation at £4.5M is a bit low for a WC player who was a regular last season in a top 10 team! I don't think we should consider selling for less than £6M in this case. Geoff's versatility is certainly something all teams could need! Not low at all, if you've read this board. Terrible footballer, uses the outside of his foot too much, somehow appeared in 2nd most games on the club last season, terrible in WC, etc... It would be SHOCK to get more than a few quid for him.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 2, 2014 13:25:46 GMT
I like Geoff, I personally thought he did well last season out of position. But if you have the chance to upgrade your team, sentiment can't come into the reckoning. I'd love him to stay because IF Bardsley doesn't play well, gets injured or gets suspended he'd be a great back up. Will he want that though? Somehow, Potter supporters have bought into Bardsley being a better full back than Geoff. It's amusing, though quite unfortunate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2014 13:26:32 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2014 13:28:52 GMT
I know, I was just winding him up..........which worked hence my reply. Just being a nob sorry!
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