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Post by Bombus on Jul 22, 2014 21:19:44 GMT
It's more Walters and Odimwingie whose places are threatened by Bojan Walters will be the one sacrificed I'm thinking something similar, Wezza.
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Post by YounginStoke on Jul 22, 2014 21:19:50 GMT
He's proved he can play both the deeper and more advanced role perfectly well and has excelled in both. The deeper role in a 4-2-3-1 wouldn't really work with Adam, because for that you'd have to either drop Zonz or you'd have to drop Whelan and then you'd have no 'ball winning midfielder' so to speak therefore the midfield 2 you could be easily broken down when you have a partnership of Zonz and Adam. The only time Adam was playing well in a deeper role was when he had Walters doing his dirty work in front of him, that was the period when we played Southampton away and Arsenal at home. I can see why people argue for him to be played in an advanced role, but for me personally I'd prefer Ireland due to him linking up with wide players better than Adam seems too, but I suppose that's personal preference.
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Post by mamasidibescfc on Jul 22, 2014 21:19:56 GMT
Walters or Crouch will be heading out before Adam, Ireland was good last year but he can be slow to shoot or make the killer pass, Adam just does it instinctively, he reminds me of Dave Brammer, but with better accuracy. I agreed with everything you said until you mentioned big dave brammer
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 22, 2014 21:22:53 GMT
Walters or Crouch will be heading out before Adam, Ireland was good last year but he can be slow to shoot or make the killer pass, Adam just does it instinctively, he reminds me of Dave Brammer, but with better accuracy. I agreed with everything you said until you mentioned big dave brammer I loved BDB. His performance against Luton at home was amazing. He could shot and pass well, shame he was aging when we got him but he did well for me
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Post by mamasidibescfc on Jul 22, 2014 21:26:56 GMT
I agreed with everything you said until you mentioned big dave brammer I loved BDB. His performance against Luton at home was amazing. He could shot and pass well, shame he was aging when we got him but he did well for me Im not sure who frustrated me more, him or daryl russell. He did score a few absolute scorchers to be fair to him... including one for Vale against us at the boothen end... He was just so, so slow.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 22, 2014 21:30:37 GMT
I loved BDB. His performance against Luton at home was amazing. He could shot and pass well, shame he was aging when we got him but he did well for me Im not sure who frustrated me more, him or daryl russell. He did score a few absolute scorchers to be fair to him... including one for Vale against us at the boothen end... He was just so, so slow. He was slow, but his goal against Leicetser too was a cracker, don't think he scored many 'crap' goals. Darel Russell frustrated me more. He would run all day but his passing and shooting was woeful and it took two or three touches him to control the ball
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2014 21:31:02 GMT
He's proved he can play both the deeper and more advanced role perfectly well and has excelled in both. The deeper role in a 4-2-3-1 wouldn't really work with Adam, because for that you'd have to either drop Zonz or you'd have to drop Whelan and then you'd have no 'ball winning midfielder' so to speak therefore the midfield 2 you could be easily broken down when you have a partnership of Zonz and Adam. The only time Adam was playing well in a deeper role was when he had Walters doing his dirty work in front of him, that was the period when we played Southampton away and Arsenal at home. I can see why people argue for him to be played in an advanced role, but for me personally I'd prefer Ireland due to him linking up with wide players better than Adam seems too, but I suppose that's personal preference. It is personal preference mate, I think it's pretty irrefutable that Adam offers more individually, it's whether the overall effect on the team is improved. For how good we were during the last third of last season, certain games were crying out for his guile and he was involved in virtually everything good earlier on, when we weren't playing so well. I find it hard to leave him out of my preferred side.
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Post by YounginStoke on Jul 22, 2014 21:34:58 GMT
The deeper role in a 4-2-3-1 wouldn't really work with Adam, because for that you'd have to either drop Zonz or you'd have to drop Whelan and then you'd have no 'ball winning midfielder' so to speak therefore the midfield 2 you could be easily broken down when you have a partnership of Zonz and Adam. The only time Adam was playing well in a deeper role was when he had Walters doing his dirty work in front of him, that was the period when we played Southampton away and Arsenal at home. I can see why people argue for him to be played in an advanced role, but for me personally I'd prefer Ireland due to him linking up with wide players better than Adam seems too, but I suppose that's personal preference. It is personal preference mate, I think it's pretty irrefutable that Adam offers more individually, it's whether the overall effect on the team is improved. For how good we were the last third of the season certain games were crying out for his guile and I find it hard to leave him out of my side. I'd totally agree with that, if you watch any game where Adam or Ireland have played, you can see that Adam has more of an individual effect and has more influence upon through his own ability, but I think Ireland does improve the whole team performance whereas sometimes Adam might have detrimental effect upon the team performance. Whatever way you look at it though, it's a good problem to have, having two good players vying for a position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 21:35:45 GMT
It amazes me how many people are writing off Glen Whelan and secondly see Bojan as a definite starter.
Whelan was fantastic last season and Bojan has a lot to prove.
As for Adam I think he'll be off in The Summer along with Crouchie.
A club of our size cannot service a squad as big as we have now.
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2014 21:39:24 GMT
It is personal preference mate, I think it's pretty irrefutable that Adam offers more individually, it's whether the overall effect on the team is improved. For how good we were the last third of the season certain games were crying out for his guile and I find it hard to leave him out of my side. I'd totally agree with that, if you watch any game where Adam or Ireland have played, you can see that Adam has more of an individual effect and has more influence upon through his own ability, but I think Ireland does improve the whole team performance whereas sometimes Adam might have detrimental effect upon the team performance. Whatever way you look at it though, it's a good problem to have, having two good players vying for a position. Adam is more direct than Ireland and drives us forward and at the defence more whereas Ireland is more of a safe player and seems to enjoy linking up with Arnie Personally I think there's a role for both of them and don't see this signing as a threat to any of them
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jul 22, 2014 21:41:29 GMT
He's not half the player Ireland is.
Cash in on him.
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Post by YounginStoke on Jul 22, 2014 21:42:59 GMT
I'd totally agree with that, if you watch any game where Adam or Ireland have played, you can see that Adam has more of an individual effect and has more influence upon through his own ability, but I think Ireland does improve the whole team performance whereas sometimes Adam might have detrimental effect upon the team performance. Whatever way you look at it though, it's a good problem to have, having two good players vying for a position. Adam is more direct than Ireland and drives us forward and at the defence more whereas Ireland is more of a safe player and seems to enjoy linking up with Arnie Personally I think there's a role for both of them and don't see this signing as a threat to any of them Yeah that's a good summary of them both really, I'm still not sure whether this signing will be of a threat to them, it depends what Hughes' plans are for him, because personally I'm excited by the signing but I wouldn't have a clue where I'd play him at the moment.
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2014 21:45:47 GMT
Adam is more direct than Ireland and drives us forward and at the defence more whereas Ireland is more of a safe player and seems to enjoy linking up with Arnie Personally I think there's a role for both of them and don't see this signing as a threat to any of them Yeah that's a good summary of them both really, I'm still not sure whether this signing will be of a threat to them, it depends what Hughes' plans are for him, because personally I'm excited by the signing but I wouldn't have a clue where I'd play him at the moment. As I said above mate it'll be Walters and Odimwingie under threat Odimwingie is 33 and I can see Walters being sold so job done I reckon ?
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Post by YounginStoke on Jul 22, 2014 21:47:29 GMT
Yeah that's a good summary of them both really, I'm still not sure whether this signing will be of a threat to them, it depends what Hughes' plans are for him, because personally I'm excited by the signing but I wouldn't have a clue where I'd play him at the moment. As I said above mate it'll be Walters and Odimwingie under threat Odimwingie is 33 and I can see Walters being sold so job done I reckon ? I think Odemwigie will have a role from the bench, but yeah I can't see a role for Walters at all.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 22, 2014 21:51:59 GMT
I think hes been brought in as an out and out striker and cant see him starting very often.
Cover / competition for Diouf from the bench.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 22, 2014 21:54:46 GMT
I think hes been brought in as an out and out striker and cant see him starting very often. Cover / competition for Diouf from the bench. He's too small to lead the line surely?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 22, 2014 21:59:24 GMT
It's more Walters and Odimwingie whose places are threatened by Bojan Walters will be the one sacrificed This. Thank fuck it's finally the end of Walters at Stoke. Not only is it a brilliant signing because we've signed a brilliant player but also because it signals the end of the plodders. This is well and truly a revolution and I think it's fucking great.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 22, 2014 22:03:32 GMT
It's more Walters and Odimwingie whose places are threatened by Bojan Walters will be the one sacrificed This. Thank fuck it's finally the end of Walters at Stoke. Not only is it a brilliant signing because we've signed a brilliant player but also because it signals the end of the plodders. This is well and truly a revolution and I think it's fucking great. Dunna be surprised to see Jon boy galloping around the pitch for certain games this season. None of us really know what's going to happen with Bojan.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 22, 2014 22:07:15 GMT
This. Thank fuck it's finally the end of Walters at Stoke. Not only is it a brilliant signing because we've signed a brilliant player but also because it signals the end of the plodders. This is well and truly a revolution and I think it's fucking great. Dunna be surprised to see Jon boy galloping around the pitch for certain games this season. None of us really know what's going to happen with Bojan. Walters is making himself known in the media a lot at the moment. I think he's clocked onto the fact that he isn't going to be involved. Tbh mick I'd be genuinely surprised if Walters was still a Stoke player next season. He strikes me as a player who will only play for a club where he is starting week in week out. He as good as said that himself earlier this summer.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 22, 2014 22:09:12 GMT
Dunna be surprised to see Jon boy galloping around the pitch for certain games this season. None of us really know what's going to happen with Bojan. Walters is making himself known in the media a lot at the moment. I think he's clocked onto the fact that he isn't going to be involved. Tbh mick I'd be genuinely surprised if Walters was still a Stoke player next season. He strikes me as a player who will only play for a club where he is starting week in week out. He as good as said that himself earlier this summer. We will see as the season pans out. What position do you see Bojan playing for us?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 22, 2014 22:09:52 GMT
I've got a feeling that regardless if we signed Bojan or not Adam will go this summer, I've got no evidence for this I just think he will, I don't know how I'd feel about him leaving, he's either capable of firing you to the Champions League or the Conference, and you never know which each week.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 22, 2014 22:13:20 GMT
Walters is making himself known in the media a lot at the moment. I think he's clocked onto the fact that he isn't going to be involved. Tbh mick I'd be genuinely surprised if Walters was still a Stoke player next season. He strikes me as a player who will only play for a club where he is starting week in week out. He as good as said that himself earlier this summer. We will see as the season pans out. What position do you see Bojan playing for us? Id imagine he'd play wide in a front 3 with Arnie and Diouf with Odemwingie missing out. I'd like to see that too. Hughes is a big Ireland fan and I'd be surprised if he was looking to replace Ireland in the starting xi which would have the chain effect of us losing Adam. What do u reckon mick who do you see him replacing?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 22, 2014 22:15:07 GMT
We will see as the season pans out. What position do you see Bojan playing for us? Id imagine he'd play wide in a front 3 with Arnie and Diouf with Odemwingie missing out. I'd like to see that too. Hughes is a big Ireland fan and I'd be surprised if he was looking to replace Ireland in the starting xi which would have the chain effect of us losing Adam. What do u reckon mick who do you see him replacing? We dont play a front 3.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 22, 2014 22:19:18 GMT
We will see as the season pans out. What position do you see Bojan playing for us? Id imagine he'd play wide in a front 3 with Arnie and Diouf with Odemwingie missing out. I'd like to see that too. Hughes is a big Ireland fan and I'd be surprised if he was looking to replace Ireland in the starting xi which would have the chain effect of us losing Adam. What do u reckon mick who do you see him replacing? If he gets back to anything like the player we have seen from his early days then I see him as a number 10 in direct competition with Adam and Ireland. Like I said earlier in the thread, it would be shame to see Charlie go, but I think he will now.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 22, 2014 22:23:50 GMT
Id imagine he'd play wide in a front 3 with Arnie and Diouf with Odemwingie missing out. I'd like to see that too. Hughes is a big Ireland fan and I'd be surprised if he was looking to replace Ireland in the starting xi which would have the chain effect of us losing Adam. What do u reckon mick who do you see him replacing? We dont play a front 3. What do we play then ?
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 22, 2014 22:24:39 GMT
We need to get rid of Palacios, Jerome and Shotton and Shea before any players that the manager is likely to use leave.
I would keep Adam, Wingie, Walters and Ireland until January at least as insurance against Bojan being the spent force that his recent form could indicate. If Bojan does recover his form of a few years ago then one or even two of the players mentioned above should be moved on.
We should be in no rush to move good players, that have proved they can contribute to Hughes' system, out of the club.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 22, 2014 22:30:13 GMT
We need to get rid of Palacios, Jerome and Shotton and Shea before any players that the manager is likely to use leave. I would keep Adam, Wingie, Walters and Ireland until January at least as insurance against Bojan being the spent force that his recent form could indicate. If Bojan does recover his form of a few years ago then one or even two of the players mentioned above should be moved on. We should be in no rush to move good players, that have proved they can contribute to Hughes' system, out of the club. Indeed, it's a squad game nowadays and I'm hoping we have a good Cup run this year aswell. It's also worth noting that we will be without Diouf for at least six weeks due to the African Nations so we will need plenty of options. Do the players and their ego's understand that though??
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 22, 2014 22:34:31 GMT
1 striker and 3 attacking midfielders behind commonly known as 4231
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 22, 2014 22:59:14 GMT
Let's not start rushing our fences and deciding which of the players that achieved 9th place in the Premier L. last season should be shipped out.
Diouf and Bojan are truly exciting signings; as I've already posted on here, this is the most exciting transfer period since Waddington signed Greenhoff and brought Ritchie back, BUT they still have to demonstrate they can cut it in the Prem and they are bringing with them the tags of being failures in the past.
I'm confident that MH, his coaching staff, and the rest of Stoke's great squad of sensible players (Bego, Ryan, Huth, Walters etc.) and reformed characters (Wingie, Arni, Ireland) will bring the best back out of them both, BUT we have to be patient.
MH has to let some one go before the season starts to balance the numbers and recoup his expenditure. I think that is likely to largely depend on the best offer received and we might find it painful to accept.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 22, 2014 23:15:50 GMT
Out of Ireland and Adam, Ireland is better for the team all round imo, better decision making, passing etc and less of a liability, and if Bojan is being looked at for that position I can't see Adam wanting to be third choice.
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