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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2014 23:19:45 GMT
Don't see Bojan playing the same position. He's too lightweight.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jul 22, 2014 23:26:46 GMT
We have to be very careful who we let go before we see how ALL of the new players settle in.
There is far too much on here of now we have got a new player one of the previous players is suddenly dispensable.
I trust in Hughes not to be so cavalier.There are enough players to let go who were nowhere near the first team last season.
Its possible that one of the first team regulars or near regulars will go,but I don't see more than that.
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Post by retired1 on Jul 22, 2014 23:37:02 GMT
Bojan is a great signing but we still need players with premiership experience.He will need time to settle in cos he won't be used to the speed of the prem. It won't all be fast flowing footy. We need good defensive midfielders too when we go to man city arsenal liverpool etc.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jul 23, 2014 3:46:41 GMT
Adam will score the winner to take us to Wembley, like Higgy did. Balls on the line LOL  Hope he stays I love the guy, completely reckless but so is Huth, essential player in our squad for me fellas. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 23, 2014 3:51:24 GMT
Don't see Bojan playing the same position. He's too lightweight. Ireland isn't exactly built, I'm not sure you need to be as the forward midfielder/support man as long as you have enough guile. |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 23, 2014 7:52:20 GMT
I was thinking the front 4 would be something along the lines of ________________________Diouf/Crouch Arnie/Assiadi__________Adam/Ireland/Bojan_________Arnie/Bojan/Assiadi I think Hughes likes the idea of those middle three being pretty interchangeable. I hope we don't get rid of charlie, I think he is one of those rare players who can change a game with a stroke of genius. (Ok genius maybe an exaggeration but still you get my point) Wheres odemwingie? Surely he can't be dropped? |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 23, 2014 8:28:58 GMT
Bojan will NOT play wide for Stoke of that I am sure. As I mentioned on another thread Hughes expects his wingers to track back and win the ball. Something that Arnautovic/ Wingie and Walters were willing to do (even Assaidi got the message after a few games).
Bojan is used to the Barca way of pressing the opposition midfield and defence high up the pitch. They never "taught" them to track back to cover the their own full-back.
The way we set-up he can only play through the middle - either as number 10
Or perhaps playing the false 9 like Messi does and drifting deep. So that leaves space for Odemwingie or Arnautovic to occupy. But this takes a lot of practice and no way of hitting long balls from the back
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 23, 2014 8:35:15 GMT
I think its inevitable that some of our first team players will leave which is a shame but as we know the squad is now too big. Hopefully we will move on the deadwood- the likes of Jerome, Palacios, Ness etc...but who from the first could we afford to lose?
We have plenty of options already and we may not be done signing yet.
My first team
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters
Nzonzi Whelan
Odemwingie Bojan Arnie
Diouf
Crouch, Walters, Ireland, Adam, Sidwell, Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron will all fancy first team action so who leaves?!
I trust in Hughes to do the right thing- (not sure what that is yet)
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 8:38:11 GMT
I think its inevitable that some of our first team players will leave which is a shame but as we know the squad is now too big. Hopefully we will move on the deadwood- the likes of Jerome, Palacios, Ness etc...but who from the first could we afford to lose? We have plenty of options already and we may not be done signing yet. My first team Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Nzonzi Whelan Odemwingie Bojan Arnie Diouf Crouch, Walters, Ireland, Adam, Sidwell, Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron will all fancy first team action so who leaves?! I trust in Hughes to do the right thing- (not sure what that is yet) That team looks good to me, mate. |
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Post by Stoke711 on Jul 23, 2014 8:52:17 GMT
I think its inevitable that some of our first team players will leave which is a shame but as we know the squad is now too big. Hopefully we will move on the deadwood- the likes of Jerome, Palacios, Ness etc...but who from the first could we afford to lose? We have plenty of options already and we may not be done signing yet. My first team Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Nzonzi Whelan Odemwingie Bojan Arnie Diouf Crouch, Walters, Ireland, Adam, Sidwell, Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron will all fancy first team action so who leaves?! I trust in Hughes to do the right thing- (not sure what that is yet) Muni is still developing, he's got his mate Bojan here, he'll be happy ride the bench, play a few games here and there. G-Cam will get games as a RB or CM so I think he'll be ok with reduced playing time. Crouch I cant see being happy. Walters might get frustrated, if we sign another winger, can't see him getting much game time up front or out wide. Sidwell I think will be rotated, he'll have been told of his role & expected game time before signing, no worries with him. Wilson, he'll get a fair share of games I think & is a very useful bench player to have due to number of positions. Ireland will start the season, don't think we'll throw Bojan in, he'll be off the bench early part of season. So for me the one I see really getting frustrated is Charlie Adam unless used as a CM. |
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Post by metalhead on Jul 23, 2014 9:00:22 GMT
No need to chop Adam at all. It's a team game, the squad needs depth. Bojan is quick and skilful. He's going to come up against teams who will want to kick him. That's where we unleash Charlie.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 23, 2014 9:05:15 GMT
I actually think Crouch is one player who will be fine sitting on the bench. Hes at the end of his career and a)another Premier League team is unlikely to want him as first choice and b) he wont want to play Championship football.
It is clearly Adam who will want to be starting games this season and if hes not close to the first team can see him leaving.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 23, 2014 9:07:52 GMT
I actually think Crouch is one player who will be fine sitting on the bench. Hes at the end of his career and a)another Premier League team is unlikely to want him as first choice and b) he wont want to play Championship football. It is clearly Adam who will want to be starting games this season and if hes not close to the first team can see him leaving. It's a team game. If Bojan plays one week, there's no reason Adam won't play next. Hughes did a great job of rotating that position this season. The only players he didn't rotate were the ones who were so good they couldn't really be dropped e.g. Begovic, Shawcross, Whelan (incredibly) and Arnautovic. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 23, 2014 9:14:53 GMT
I actually think Crouch is one player who will be fine sitting on the bench. Hes at the end of his career and a)another Premier League team is unlikely to want him as first choice and b) he wont want to play Championship football. It is clearly Adam who will want to be starting games this season and if hes not close to the first team can see him leaving. It's a team game. If Bojan plays one week, there's no reason Adam won't play next. Hughes did a great job of rotating that position this season. The only players he didn't rotate were the ones who were so good they couldn't really be dropped e.g. Begovic, Shawcross, Whelan (incredibly) and Arnautovic. I hope so too, Im a self-confessed Adam lover. Adam has proven his effectiveness whereas Bojan has not yet |
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Post by cognacsmoker on Jul 23, 2014 9:15:58 GMT
Great to have a squad with so much quality, and be able to rotate players, but the hardest choice will be who doesn't make the bench. If we're playing something like
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters
Whelan Nzonzi
Bojan Ireland Arnie
Diouf
We've then got to accommodate Butland, Cameron, Muniesa, Wilson, Sidwell, Adam, Palacios, Wingie, Assaidi(?), Walters, Crouch.
Not talking about 'dead wood', these are all decent first team players, and we have too many attacking options now.
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2014 9:18:16 GMT
Adam is a match winner.
Hughes as stated above knows how to rotate.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 10:08:38 GMT
Adam is a match winner. Hughes as stated above knows how to rotate. Absolutely. I reckon there will be many permutations as the season goes on. No automatic XI here. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 23, 2014 12:04:04 GMT
Adam is a match winner. Hughes as stated above knows how to rotate. Absolutely. I reckon there will be many permutations as the season goes on. No automatic XI here. Which is a good thing, in my opinion. We can rotate the players to suit who we are playing or to cover injury. I would hate to lose Adam because he offers something nobody else does. He is tailor made for setting up the new strikers. I can see us scoring loads of goals this season, and I like the fact we have such a strong squad. |
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Post by robstokie on Jul 23, 2014 18:19:57 GMT
In a word, No. I think Bojan is a bit lightweight to be playing through the centre in the Adam role. I suspect Sparky will be looking to play bojan in one of the wide berths, either as a winger or a wide forward looking to get inside whenever possible
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Post by pickins on Jul 23, 2014 21:45:38 GMT
That goal against Manure created a magical moment last season.
He may be wayward at times but he's still worthy of a shout.
If we get a 3 fronted initiative going (prem/league cup/fa cup) there will be enough to go round.
If anything it wouldn't surprise me if Nzonzi went and if I'm honest I wouldn't be that bothered if he did.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 23, 2014 22:17:15 GMT
No, unless there is a serious/panic offer
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Post by musik on Jul 23, 2014 22:24:50 GMT
Hellu! "Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Nzonzi Whelan Odemwingie Bojan Arnie Diouf" Yeah, that's a good team mentioned above. The weak link is the defensive midfielders though. Must we have them?  pen, papers and some books//:musik |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 22:52:17 GMT
It's more Walters and Odimwingie whose places are threatened by Bojan Walters will be the one sacrificed This. Thank fuck it's finally the end of Walters at Stoke. Not only is it a brilliant signing because we've signed a brilliant player but also because it signals the end of the plodders. This is well and truly a revolution and I think it's fucking great. I'm sure there is a "Bo-arn-Jan" joke out there somewhere. |
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Post by mamasidibescfc on Jul 24, 2014 6:14:38 GMT
I was thinking the front 4 would be something along the lines of ________________________Diouf/Crouch Arnie/Assiadi__________Adam/Ireland/Bojan_________Arnie/Bojan/Assiadi I think Hughes likes the idea of those middle three being pretty interchangeable. I hope we don't get rid of charlie, I think he is one of those rare players who can change a game with a stroke of genius. (Ok genius maybe an exaggeration but still you get my point) Wheres odemwingie? Surely he can't be dropped? I know! I can't believe I foot about him... I suppose we must remember that Assaidi isn't our player yet so odemwengie can replace him on the right |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 24, 2014 17:44:28 GMT
Adam isn't even the answer to 'who best suits our team out of Ireland or Adam'
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 24, 2014 18:48:00 GMT
Theres only a few guaranteed starters
. Youd think Bego, Ryan & Arnie are certain.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 24, 2014 21:49:45 GMT
General opinion seems to be he will operate from the right hand side, which certainly looks good with Arnie on the left and Diouf through the middle. Incredible when you think back to the days of Akinbiyi, Noel Williams, and Carl Asaba. And they are far, far from the worst 3 strikers to play for Stoke too! Lightbourne, Scott, Gayle, Carruthers. Shudder. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 24, 2014 23:57:38 GMT
General opinion seems to be he will operate from the right hand side, which certainly looks good with Arnie on the left and Diouf through the middle. Incredible when you think back to the days of Akinbiyi, Noel Williams, and Carl Asaba. And they are far, far from the worst 3 strikers to play for Stoke too! Lightbourne, Scott, Gayle, Carruthers. Shudder. I'll raise you with Nicky Morgan, Simon Stainrod, and Dave Bamber!! |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2014 0:50:45 GMT
I was thinking the front 4 would be something along the lines of ________________________Diouf/Crouch Arnie/Assiadi__________Adam/Ireland/Bojan_________Arnie/Bojan/Assiadi I think Hughes likes the idea of those middle three being pretty interchangeable. I hope we don't get rid of charlie, I think he is one of those rare players who can change a game with a stroke of genius. (Ok genius maybe an exaggeration but still you get my point) Wheres odemwingie? Surely he can't be dropped? I'd definitely have him starting: _________________Diouf__________________ Arnie____________Ireland______________Odem Then let the others fight for the place, from the bench or due to injuries or suspension. Assaidi isn't even a Stoke player yet so I don't get why people are putting him in their team. |
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