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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 21, 2014 14:10:45 GMT
With Gerrard retiring from international football, the cupboard looks horribly bare.
Germany really excelled there, and there seems to be a whole lot of nothingness on the horizon in England, especially more defensively-minded ones
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 21, 2014 14:12:08 GMT
Do you really need to ask the question Grapey?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 14:13:15 GMT
unfortunately it looked just as bare even with Gerrard in the team!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 21, 2014 14:13:50 GMT
Do you really need to ask the question Grapey? Ha. Just thinking back to Gazza, Ince, Scholes, the rampaging Gerrard of a decade ago, Lampard. We've even got a shortage of serviceable Batty or Butt-types. We'd kill for a young Owen Hargreaves right about now! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 21, 2014 14:15:55 GMT
unfortunately it looked just as bare even with Gerrard in the team! Oh yeah, absolutely. He's a shell of the player he was - and I wouldn't be surprised if he's eased out of the Liverpool team towards the end of this season - if Brendan's got the balls for it. But it just feels like an end of an era with Gerrard and Scholes going and Lampard off on holiday to New York. And there's literally nothing emerging |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 21, 2014 14:16:41 GMT
Gotta hope Rodwell escapes from his Man City nightmare and develops as once hoped. Wilshere needs to stop being a dickhead, stay injury free and get his head down, as there is some talent in there amongst all the play acting and posturing. I personally think Milner could do a decent job centrally - good engine, hard worker.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 21, 2014 14:17:25 GMT
So, who is likely to be our holding midfielder? Is a central three of (possibly) Lallana, Barkely and Henderson feasible/workable? I'm at a loss as to think what else is out there quality wise. Is Jack Rodwell ever going to fullfil his promise?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 21, 2014 14:17:55 GMT
No midfield and no defence, work that one out Hodgson, and no there's nobody fits the bill at Southampton!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 14:18:03 GMT
unfortunately it looked just as bare even with Gerrard in the team! Oh yeah, absolutely. He's a shell of the player he was - and I wouldn't be surprised if he's eased out of the Liverpool team toward the end of this season - if Brendan's got the balls for it. But it just feels like an end of an era with Gerrard and Scholes going and Lampard ging on holiday to New York. And there's literally nothing emerging nothing emerging????? this is the time for Wilshere to take the bull by the horns and........fall over as soon as anyone else gets anywhere near the bull before claiming a free kick and then proceeding to whinge like fuck and blame everyone else for him being utter shite  |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 21, 2014 14:18:58 GMT
Great minds Jezza! Not sure Wilshere is ever going to be good enough. What about the Ox? I'd play him every time now.
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Post by Silkystoke on Jul 21, 2014 14:20:19 GMT
no
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 21, 2014 14:21:04 GMT
Great minds Jezza! Not sure Wilshere is ever going to be good enough. What about the Ox? I'd play him every time now. I'd like to see Ox and Lallana converted full-time to central players. They've got the quality. And maybe Milner could go back there too - he was great there for Villa We still lack a clever holding player though. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 21, 2014 14:21:50 GMT
So, who is likely to be our holding midfielder? Is a central three of (possibly) Lallana, Barkely and Henderson feasible/workable? I'm at a loss as to think what else is out there quality wise. Is Jack Rodwell ever going to fullfil his promise? That 3 looks far too lightweight and lacking in defensive application. I hope for Rodwell to once again emerge as there is little else out there. If so, I'd go with Rodwell, Milner and Barkley for now, at least until Wilshere can get his head out of his own arse. |
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Post by vahl on Jul 21, 2014 14:22:55 GMT
Ward-Prowse, McEachran, Hughes...
I'm struggling for anyone of note. Chalobah is defensive?
Will they be good enough though is the question.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 21, 2014 14:27:11 GMT
Ward-Prowse, McEachran, Hughes... I'm struggling for anyone of note. Chalobah is defensive? Will they be good enough though is the question. McEachran was really hyped up 3 or 4 years ago, wasn't he? But suppose he may come good. He's still young. At the moment, if you're English and playing in the Premier League, you got a mention. Delph was getting a small bandwagon behind him for doing not very much. Even Colback and Mark Noble were being touted |
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Post by redwhite on Jul 21, 2014 14:31:01 GMT
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Post by pickins on Jul 21, 2014 14:39:22 GMT
Wilson Palacios?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 14:50:54 GMT
How long has he been English? . |
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Post by pickins on Jul 21, 2014 14:51:52 GMT
How long has he been English? . About 14 years probably. He doesn't like the wind. |
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Post by superscfc on Jul 21, 2014 14:53:36 GMT
EURO 2018
Hart/Butland
Richards/Walker/Clyne - Cahill - Shawcross/Caulker - Baines
Jones/Henderson - Lallana/Chamberlin
Walcott - Wilshere/Barkley - Lallana/Sterling
Rooney/Sturridge
Other options - Hughes, Milner, Rodwell, Smalling, Ward-Prowse
Looks pretty dire on paper to me when you compare it with the world champions
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Post by atbreakofday on Jul 21, 2014 14:54:15 GMT
George Green from Everton may emerge this season. Martinez likes him and he has been likened to Gazza.
Chalobah is defensive mid and hopefully can also push on.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 21, 2014 14:55:18 GMT
Ok - I'll raise you  |
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Post by atbreakofday on Jul 21, 2014 14:56:29 GMT
EURO 2018
Hart/Butland
Richards/Walker/Clyne - Cahill - Shawcross/Caulker - Baines
Jones/Henderson - Lallana/Chamberlin
Walcott - Wilshere/Barkley - Lallana/Sterling
Rooney/Sturridge
Other options - Walcott, Hughes, Milner, Rodwell, Smalling, Ward-Prowse
Looks pretty dire on paper to me when you compare it with the world champions<br/>
No John Stones?
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Post by superscfc on Jul 21, 2014 15:00:17 GMT
EURO 2018 Hart/Butland Richards/Walker/Clyne - Cahill - Shawcross/Caulker - Baines Jones/Henderson - Lallana/Chamberlin Walcott - Wilshere/Barkley - Lallana/Sterling Rooney/Sturridge Other options - Walcott, Hughes, Milner, Rodwell, Smalling, Ward-Prowse Looks pretty dire on paper to me when you compare it with the world champions<br/> No John Stones? Forgot about him, you can take Shawcross out the equation then |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 21, 2014 15:13:34 GMT
What about Shaw, never mind Shawcross?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 15:20:24 GMT
Gotta hope Rodwell escapes from his Man City nightmare and develops as once hoped. Wilshere needs to stop being a dickhead, stay injury free and get his head down, as there is some talent in there amongst all the play acting and posturing. I personally think Milner could do a decent job centrally - good engine, hard worker. Yes, I was just about to post that Rodwell made a huge mistake in signing for a club where he hardly got game time. Would love to have him at Stoke - even if we had to pay up Palacios' contract to free up the space!  I've never understoof why Milner got so few (if any?) games for England in a central position. Not a huge flair player but a superb engine and more skill than he is often given credit for. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 21, 2014 15:35:06 GMT
Gotta hope Rodwell escapes from his Man City nightmare and develops as once hoped. Wilshere needs to stop being a dickhead, stay injury free and get his head down, as there is some talent in there amongst all the play acting and posturing. I personally think Milner could do a decent job centrally - good engine, hard worker. Yes, I was just about to post that Rodwell made a huge mistake in signing for a club where he hardly got game time. Would love to have him at Stoke - even if we had to pay up Palacios' contract to free up the space! I've never understoof why Milner got so few (if any?) games for England in a central position. Not a huge flair player but a superb engine and more skill than he is often given credit for. And now knocking on the door of 30? Surely a bit late for him to stake his claim, unless it's to get us through the next two years. I agree, he could do it in the centre, but he'd need to play deeper than he has before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 15:35:19 GMT
The lack of central midfielders seems to have come from nowhere, we should be able to cobble something together but there isn't a combination that springs instantly to mind. I remember thinking during the World Cup that England didn't need a Glenn Whelan, they needed THE Glenn Whelan.  |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 15:44:54 GMT
Yes, I was just about to post that Rodwell made a huge mistake in signing for a club where he hardly got game time. Would love to have him at Stoke - even if we had to pay up Palacios' contract to free up the space! I've never understoof why Milner got so few (if any?) games for England in a central position. Not a huge flair player but a superb engine and more skill than he is often given credit for. And now knocking on the door of 30? Surely a bit late for him to stake his claim, unless it's to get us through the next two years. I agree, he could do it in the centre, but he'd need to play deeper than he has before. Don't get me wrong, Mike. I think the boat has sailed as far as Milner being a big influence for England is concerned. I just think he should have been used in central midfield for club and country a lot more than he has been. I think he'd have been better paired with Lampard OR Gerrard rather than the waste of trying to fit them both into the same side. And I also think that (apart from financially) the move to Man City was a big mistake - he just doesn't get enough game time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 15:56:38 GMT
I think the US are in decent shape with midfielders.Bradley is probably the next captain,and along with Diskerud and Darlington Nagbe potentially.
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