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Post by fca47 on Jul 20, 2014 20:08:25 GMT
Can't be bothered to read all through this, but if anyone interested the game is on YouTube but with Russian commentary. First half quality crap but second seems OK.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 20, 2014 20:19:37 GMT
I don't suppose there are any highlights knocking about? Stoke loud and proud have the goals on their facebook page. Destroy this message once you have read it as it may offend some on this board!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 20, 2014 20:21:34 GMT
I only watched the second half and the last few minutes of the first half - did Ness play in the Whelan role - and did he put the tackles in?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 20:26:34 GMT
I only watched the second half and the last few minutes of the first half - did Ness play in the Whelan role - and did he put the tackles in? Ness didn't seem that bad to be fair and yea he seemed to play the Whelan role. Also thought Shea was decent. I literally can't believe there's people moaning on this board about the teams performance we have a large amount of complete and utter idiots on here
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 20, 2014 20:26:57 GMT
John, I watched it all and I barely noticed Jamie in the 1st half. That could mean he did nothing wrong or that he did nothing special, depending on the point of view you wish to take!
I was pretty impressed with Johnny Tex - big but fairly mobile and composed on the ball. Of course, it was a leisurely run out, but there is something there to work with. We learned almost nothing new otherwise - we have a bunch of solid pros, added to by the streetwise Sidwell and Bardsley, Marko is just Marko(!), Shotton is no right winger, SJW will always run around and try 'aaard, MBD gives us a pacier option up front, and Adam looks like he's been on the deep fried mars bars over the summer!
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Post by Pirate on Jul 20, 2014 20:30:20 GMT
John, I watched it all and I barely noticed Jamie in the 1st half. That could mean he did nothing wrong or that he did nothing special, depending on the point of view you wish to take! I was pretty impressed with Johnny Tex - big but fairly mobile and composed on the ball. Of course, it was a leisurely run out, but there is something there to work with. We learned almost nothing new otherwise - we have a bunch of solid pros, added to by the streetwise Sidwell and Bardsley, Marko is just Marko(!), Shotton is no right winger, SJW will always run around and try 'aaard, MBD gives us a pacier option up front, and Adam looks like he's been on the deep fried mars bars over the summer!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 20:36:11 GMT
It was a less than half paces friendly by a team who has only just got back training. It was nothing special but an improvement over last season first couple of friendlies. We passed it around well but as expected we didn't bust a gut to win the game. It was exactly as expected no more no less.
Muni and Arnie look like they could provide a serious partnership down the left and cause lots of problems. Defence was solid enough. Ness played it simple and composed, he was highly rated at Rangers but injury has set him back, again a half paced friendly makes it hard to judge. Diouf chased a lot but didn't have much to do in the way of attacking. Tex looks comfortable on the ball and put a couple of decent passes through, looked a bit lost on some defence duties but this can be worked on.
All in all it was bland as expected but no injuries and we had majority of the possesion. As the weeks go on the friendlies will become higher tempo and the serious work will show.
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Post by march4 on Jul 20, 2014 20:36:30 GMT
Who was MoM?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 20, 2014 20:37:25 GMT
John, I watched it all and I barely noticed Jamie in the 1st half. That could mean he did nothing wrong or that he did nothing special, depending on the point of view you wish to take! I was pretty impressed with Johnny Tex - big but fairly mobile and composed on the ball. Of course, it was a leisurely run out, but there is something there to work with. We learned almost nothing new otherwise - we have a bunch of solid pros, added to by the streetwise Sidwell and Bardsley, Marko is just Marko(!), Shotton is no right winger, SJW will always run around and try 'aaard, MBD gives us a pacier option up front, and Adam looks like he's been on the deep fried mars bars over the summer! Adam has always been a big supporter of the Scots' national dish! I often think that if you don't notice the defensive midfielder he's done ok. I notice Whelan's bad games more than his good games - and his good ones outweighed his bad ones last season - especially after January. To be fair to Shotton, he would not have played on the wide right if Wingie hadn't been on his hols. We do need a specialist winger/striker on the right though. I know Arnie can play there at a pinch but he looks more comfortable on the left.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 20, 2014 21:05:30 GMT
I think competition to Wingy out on the right is still a player Hughes would like to bring in. I am not sure where that would leave SJW though? Heading through the exit?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 21:23:44 GMT
Was that in amongst all the 3 points he won us as well with his goals? I can count 12 points off the top of my head without even thinking that his goals won us last season. How many points did he lose us with misplaced passes then? Not saying he did contribute am i? Apart from his goals he is a liability. We could do with a few more liabilities like him then,especially the type that keep making match winning contributions from midfield like he does. I mean without Adam's match winning contributions last season we wouldn't have been far off the relegation places.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2014 21:25:06 GMT
We have one, his name is Marc Wilson.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 20, 2014 21:54:24 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 20, 2014 21:54:53 GMT
Ness is totally shite.
I saw him play against Crewe for Leyton Orient in a really crap league One game and he was completely anonymous
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 20, 2014 21:57:40 GMT
Don't forget Teixeira is younger than Muniesa. A season of gym work had and he'll have Wilfred Bony in his back pocket. well, from one extreme to another - someone wrote he was close to excellent, then i also read he was almost worthless and should be loaned to championship.. the guy has not played a game for almost half a year, and back then it was a crapy slovakian league. just give him some time, he'll be more than good. i will be at the munich 1860 and schalke games, can't wait to see him excel.. Not sure where you got worthless from my post!? I think he isn;t ready for the Prem yet. Far from worthless, he has the attributes to make it in the Prem, in maybe a year or two
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 22:07:30 GMT
Ness is totally shite. I saw him play against Crewe for Leyton Orient in a really crap league One game and he was completely anonymous that's one game? I've seem him play for Rangers against Celtic and he was brilliant. Nobody has seen enough of him in a Stoke shirt to judge him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 22:12:41 GMT
Some going OTT here - mircoscopic analysis of stoke city's first 'kick about' - They did ok
could've should've won it - away against a top 6 bundesliga team far further on in their pre-season BUT far too early (surely) to draw
any real concrete conclusions
some on here trying to pick the first eleven already jeez ??
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 20, 2014 22:23:58 GMT
If that's about some peoples comments about Adam, then as you say it's all about fitness atm, but what Adam did was not a lack of fitness etc he does it throughout the season, add that to his inability to tackle without taking the player and his snide little attacks when he's frustraighted and having a poor game and he's a player we can do without IMO, the odd pass and decent goal doesn't make up for it. I think your opinion is unfair. I am not an Adam fan, but before Christmas he was Stoke's most important attacking player and his goals kept Stoke out of the relegation battle. OK times have moved on and he may not be in the first choice XI of a lot of people now, but IMO he is still a very useful asset who could be used as an impact sub if Stoke are struggling and play a vital role covering injuries, suspensions, and playing in Cup runs. At his best he is a lot of people's first choice.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2014 22:49:10 GMT
Some going OTT here - mircoscopic analysis of stoke city's first 'kick about' - They did ok could've should've won it - away against a top 6 bundesliga team far further on in their pre-season BUT far too early (surely) to draw any real concrete conclusions some on here trying to pick the first eleven already jeez ?? I could tell you the first XI I'd want to see without the first friendly tbh and barring signing someone, injury or letting someone go it isn't likely to change (not saying this is what Hughes will go with). Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Muniesa N'Zonzi Whelan Odemwingie Ireland Arnie Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:51:04 GMT
I feel comfortable with essentially all our areas, just need some more wingers. I like your lineup bayern, I just think Cameron should be slotted in.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 20, 2014 23:59:09 GMT
Some going OTT here - mircoscopic analysis of stoke city's first 'kick about' - They did ok could've should've won it - away against a top 6 bundesliga team far further on in their pre-season BUT far too early (surely) to draw any real concrete conclusions some on here trying to pick the first eleven already jeez ?? I could tell you the first XI I'd want to see without the first friendly tbh and barring signing someone, injury or letting someone go it isn't likely to change (not saying this is what Hughes will go with). Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Muniesa N'Zonzi Whelan Odemwingie Ireland Arnie Diouf Wilko!? If he plays this season I will be shocked, at the end of the year when his contarct is up, he will be gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 1:05:45 GMT
Same formations from last season need to be used?
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Post by kurt on Jul 21, 2014 7:07:39 GMT
Some going OTT here - mircoscopic analysis of stoke city's first 'kick about' - They did ok could've should've won it - away against a top 6 bundesliga team far further on in their pre-season BUT far too early (surely) to draw any real concrete conclusions some on here trying to pick the first eleven already jeez ?? I could tell you the first XI I'd want to see without the first friendly tbh and barring signing someone, injury or letting someone go it isn't likely to change (not saying this is what Hughes will go with). Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Muniesa N'Zonzi Whelan Odemwingie Ireland Arnie Diouf Would replace Wilko by Cameron...the rest
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Post by metalhead on Jul 21, 2014 7:30:56 GMT
Good to see them back and playing football, even if it is just a bit of a run out. It's impossible to judge from these pre-season games, especially the first. I'm looking more towards Betis
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Post by withnall on Jul 21, 2014 7:35:11 GMT
Judging from a lot of the players faces, we should be in for a cracking Movember this year.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 21, 2014 7:37:27 GMT
SJW He made a good run to set up Crouch for a tap in and played some good football mainly on the right wing From the stream that I was watching, I thought that Ness was OK. Satisfactory performance from all involved except for the "Adam moment" A couple of "mistimed tackles' from Wilkinson and Sidwell too
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 21, 2014 8:12:44 GMT
Some going OTT here - mircoscopic analysis of stoke city's first 'kick about' - They did ok could've should've won it - away against a top 6 bundesliga team far further on in their pre-season BUT far too early (surely) to draw any real concrete conclusions some on here trying to pick the first eleven already jeez ?? I could tell you the first XI I'd want to see without the first friendly tbh and barring signing someone, injury or letting someone go it isn't likely to change (not saying this is what Hughes will go with). Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Muniesa N'Zonzi Whelan Odemwingie Ireland Arnie Diouf Wilko really? I'd love it if he was our best option but surely he's behind Bards and Geoff?
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Post by foster on Jul 21, 2014 8:15:19 GMT
I could tell you the first XI I'd want to see without the first friendly tbh and barring signing someone, injury or letting someone go it isn't likely to change (not saying this is what Hughes will go with). Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Muniesa N'Zonzi Whelan Odemwingie Ireland Arnie Diouf Wilko really? I'd love it if he was our best option but surely he's behind Bards and Geoff?That's not a question. It's a fact.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2014 16:41:18 GMT
I could tell you the first XI I'd want to see without the first friendly tbh and barring signing someone, injury or letting someone go it isn't likely to change (not saying this is what Hughes will go with). Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Muniesa N'Zonzi Whelan Odemwingie Ireland Arnie Diouf Wilko really? I'd love it if he was our best option but surely he's behind Bards and Geoff? I aren't a Cameron fan and with Muniesa at LB we can afford to have a more defensive option there. And I don't rate Bardsley either.
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Post by mar1386 on Jul 21, 2014 19:25:56 GMT
Wilko really? I'd love it if he was our best option but surely he's behind Bards and Geoff? I aren't a Cameron fan and with Muniesa at LB we can afford to have a more defensive option there. And I don't rate Bardsley either. Wilko has been a great club servant but he ain't a Premier League defender in the direction MH is steering us. Anyone who thinks Pieters won't be higher than Muniesa in the LB pecking order is deluding themselves. I like Muniesa but his best position for us could be central midfield in a playmaker role.
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