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Post by britsabroad on Jul 30, 2014 15:15:35 GMT
I'll bite. How exactly were Zionists responsible for World War 2? Or do you mean Hitler started it because he hated them so much? They funded both sides, just for a start ... Youre almost amusing! The payments were basically a bribe to get Jews safely out of Germany before the Nazi party had quite decided they hated all things Jewish. Absolutely sod all to do with the war.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jul 30, 2014 16:45:41 GMT
Another thing that continues not to be mentioned in the media is how HAMAS was actually created by the Israeli secret service, Mossad. Israel never has any intention of peace. They need the constant Hamas rockets (fireworks) to justify the continued genocide and land theft. Another UN school bombed - 43 dead. Zionists run the world and have been behind every major conflict for at least the last 100 years. Responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. i blame all the fucking lizard people myself! good icke video what do you think?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 30, 2014 16:59:01 GMT
They funded both sides, just for a start ... Youre almost amusing! The payments were basically a bribe to get Jews safely out of Germany before the Nazi party had quite decided they hated all things Jewish. Absolutely sod all to do with the war. It's established fact that certain families like the Rothschilds for example own huge amounts of wealth and exert serious power over politicians. All you have to do is a little research to make up your own mind.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 30, 2014 17:09:15 GMT
Resort to thinly veiled abuse just because you won't read of this in any recommended text book (what a surprise).
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Post by nik80 on Jul 30, 2014 17:19:07 GMT
Israel is a disproportionately powerful nation in the Middle East, one which Britain and the USA are largely responsible for creating. The Jewish state may well have had a right to be developed within the region of it's central beliefs but given its size, the influence and power it holds is absurd in my opinion.
Although the holocaust has almost made it almost impossible to be critical of any Jewish actions within international relations, supposed ally or not I think it's reasonable to say that Israel is a global pain in the arse.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2014 17:25:33 GMT
I'm struggling to understand criticism of the media coverage; this latest BBC story, Gaza conflict: 'Israeli market strike kills 17', sets out the terrible situation with great clarity. What I don't get, and I find sickening, is the reaction of our Western Governments including our own. Israel cannot be allowed to conduct military options that causes so many civilian deaths. They have to be stopped and forced to adopt different approaches.
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Post by nik80 on Jul 30, 2014 17:32:56 GMT
I'm struggling to understand criticism of the media coverage; this latest BBC story, Gaza conflict: 'Israeli market strike kills 17', sets out the terrible situation with great clarity. What I don't get, and I find sickening, is the reaction of our Western Governments including our own. Israel cannot be allowed to conduct military options that causes so many civilian deaths. They have to be stopped and forced to adopt different approaches. As others have said already, disappointingly the west's foreign policy is still largely (not entirely) governed by US foreign policy, which in turn is decided by very Jew-centric domestic politics. Jews have a massive influence on western international politics.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 30, 2014 17:35:08 GMT
Another thing that continues not to be mentioned in the media is how HAMAS was actually created by the Israeli secret service, Mossad. Israel never has any intention of peace. They need the constant Hamas rockets (fireworks) to justify the continued genocide and land theft. Another UN school bombed - 43 dead. Zionists run the world and have been behind every major conflict for at least the last 100 years. Responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. Hamas was "created" as an alternative to the PLO who were engaged in a terror campaign against Israel, it's well documented and known so why are you pretending otherwise ? They were not created to attack Israel to suggest otherwise is on a par with your Twin Towers theories. You seem vehmantly against this conflict and continue to criticise the UK government for doing nothing yet when the UK government led the action that saved many thousands of lives in Libya you mocked that as being all about the oil. In my opinion, you can draw a line on this back to Syria, the decision by the west to do nothing there has emboldened nut jobs like Putin and Netanyahu to advance on the paths they have chosen with the knowledge the world will let them get on with it. The Libya and Syria issue were/are both part of the zionist agenda. No Zionist agenda, no UK support. And that is how the UK is controlled. And fully sponsored propaganda from the BBC to prime folk for the next invasion and takeover. Where were the news reports about the most afflicted people on the planet - the Palestinians - before the current massacre? They've been forced to cover some of it because people now look beyond Zionist sources for their news. No need to cover Palestinian suffering before though like the dubious stuff we've been constantly drip fed with Syria because there's no Zionist plan to invade Israel - obviously not necessary. And the BBC know it.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2014 19:10:15 GMT
Hamas was "created" as an alternative to the PLO who were engaged in a terror campaign against Israel, it's well documented and known so why are you pretending otherwise ? They were not created to attack Israel to suggest otherwise is on a par with your Twin Towers theories. You seem vehmantly against this conflict and continue to criticise the UK government for doing nothing yet when the UK government led the action that saved many thousands of lives in Libya you mocked that as being all about the oil. In my opinion, you can draw a line on this back to Syria, the decision by the west to do nothing there has emboldened nut jobs like Putin and Netanyahu to advance on the paths they have chosen with the knowledge the world will let them get on with it. The Libya and Syria issue were/are both part of the zionist agenda. No Zionist agenda, no UK support. And that is how the UK is controlled. And fully sponsored propaganda from the BBC to prime folk for the next invasion and takeover. Where were the news reports about the most afflicted people on the planet - the Palestinians - before the current massacre? They've been forced to cover some of it because people now look beyond Zionist sources for their news. No need to cover Palestinian suffering before though like the dubious stuff we've been constantly drip fed with Syria because there's no Zionist plan to invade Israel - obviously not necessary. And the BBC know it. Just out of interest - what would you like to see happen with Israel? I don't mean in response to the current situation, but generally.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 30, 2014 19:29:50 GMT
The Libya and Syria issue were/are both part of the zionist agenda. No Zionist agenda, no UK support. And that is how the UK is controlled. And fully sponsored propaganda from the BBC to prime folk for the next invasion and takeover. Where were the news reports about the most afflicted people on the planet - the Palestinians - before the current massacre? They've been forced to cover some of it because people now look beyond Zionist sources for their news. No need to cover Palestinian suffering before though like the dubious stuff we've been constantly drip fed with Syria because there's no Zionist plan to invade Israel - obviously not necessary. And the BBC know it. Just out of interest - what would you like to see happen with Israel? I don't mean in response to the current situation, but generally. How about the radical idea of staying within their LEGAL borders?
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2014 20:45:12 GMT
Just out of interest - what would you like to see happen with Israel? I don't mean in response to the current situation, but generally. How about the radical idea of staying within their LEGAL borders? I must admit I've got a little lost as to what are Israel's legal borders, there's been quite a few agreements since 1948 between Israel and their neighbours that, along with ever changing demographics means the mandate map of 1947 doesn't make much sense in 2014. But the principle that Israel recognises the sovereignty of a Palestine state is vital (and I'd like an independent body define what that should be). I wondered though if you shared the view of Hamas that the state of Israel should be disbanded. I know some folk who have issues with the very creation of Israel and want to see a return to pre 1948 land ownership - or something approximating to the British Mandate Palestine. I don't agree with them because I think history has moved on and a step back in time isn't feasible or desirable - but I understand their argument.
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Post by heavysoul on Jul 30, 2014 21:06:20 GMT
SHAME ON ISRAEL ! Heartbreaking to see scenes of injured children. Bombing a UN school is beyond words.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 30, 2014 21:50:59 GMT
Hamas was "created" as an alternative to the PLO who were engaged in a terror campaign against Israel, it's well documented and known so why are you pretending otherwise ? They were not created to attack Israel to suggest otherwise is on a par with your Twin Towers theories. You seem vehmantly against this conflict and continue to criticise the UK government for doing nothing yet when the UK government led the action that saved many thousands of lives in Libya you mocked that as being all about the oil. In my opinion, you can draw a line on this back to Syria, the decision by the west to do nothing there has emboldened nut jobs like Putin and Netanyahu to advance on the paths they have chosen with the knowledge the world will let them get on with it. So you admit Hamas has an Israeli origin yet cannot comprehend these organisations are created in knowledge they can be used again further down the line? You insult the intelligence of the masterminds behind a long term agenda. Or is all secret service activity done off the cuff? Al-Qaeda is another one. Call me paranoid and I'll call you naive, at best. Answer me this, is Hamas stopping the Israeli agenda, or is it actually helping it? If it walks like a duck ... The smoke and mirrors of the ”news" we are given has led to many folk actually blinded to the obvious right in front of their eyes. It's fairly widely reported Hamas was set up as a peaceful alternative to the PLO, you're free to believe this was all part of some long term zionist plan just as i'm free to not believe that, although before the zionists ruling the world it was the illuminati wasn't it according to you ? The problem you have is you are so one-eyed you don't even seem to see that Hamas funded by Qatar oil money and backed and egged on by Iran also serve a more than useful purpose to stoke up anti Israel and anti west feelings \ actions. To put it bluntly Hamas like the rest of the Arab world don't really give a flying fuck for the Palestinians, how many homes or schools do they need to see blown up before changing their tactics ? Equally if there is any justice in the world the Israel army commanders responsible for what has been going on will be heading for the Hague sometime in the future. And i'm blinded too nothing I see two bunches of cunts Hamas and the IDF with little regard for human life.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 30, 2014 22:09:45 GMT
Hamas was "created" as an alternative to the PLO who were engaged in a terror campaign against Israel, it's well documented and known so why are you pretending otherwise ? They were not created to attack Israel to suggest otherwise is on a par with your Twin Towers theories. You seem vehmantly against this conflict and continue to criticise the UK government for doing nothing yet when the UK government led the action that saved many thousands of lives in Libya you mocked that as being all about the oil. In my opinion, you can draw a line on this back to Syria, the decision by the west to do nothing there has emboldened nut jobs like Putin and Netanyahu to advance on the paths they have chosen with the knowledge the world will let them get on with it. The Libya and Syria issue were/are both part of the zionist agenda. No Zionist agenda, no UK support. And that is how the UK is controlled. And fully sponsored propaganda from the BBC to prime folk for the next invasion and takeover. Where were the news reports about the most afflicted people on the planet - the Palestinians - before the current massacre? They've been forced to cover some of it because people now look beyond Zionist sources for their news. No need to cover Palestinian suffering before though like the dubious stuff we've been constantly drip fed with Syria because there's no Zionist plan to invade Israel - obviously not necessary. And the BBC know it. Not too put too fine a point on it, but you are straying into unsubstantiable x-files type global conspiracy bollocks terrority with much of that post. The lack of coverage for the Palestinians has nothing to do with a zionist plot, there are many many reasons for lack of coverage but predominantly the UK public just doesn't care enough about the Palestinians to want to get involved and you can thank one man for that, Tony Blair there is now no appetite to commit UK troops anywhere in the world no matter how just the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 22:13:59 GMT
Its quite astonishing to think that there are 4 or 5 posters on here who think that a disproportionate War is a new concept and unacceptable.
I would argue that all wars are unacceptable but if you are so biased and entrenched in favour of one then your argument and stance becomes the epitomy of the problem now faced by Israel & Hamas. The war in Iraq was no different. The imbalance in terms of weaponry and death even more greater. Perhaps the Iraqi's should have realised sooner that to continue the war was futile and counter productive. The same issue now faces the Hamas leadership . They cannot win , but they refuse to stop the firing into Israel quoting their Historical argument and atrocities. What they seem to ignore is the death toll they are incurring by such actions. They are just as responsible as Israel no matter what side of the fence you're on.
Simply showing pictures of dead children is merely the actions of irresponsible heartless fools , who care not about their own . THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS IS BY ARBITRATION AND A CEASEFIRE.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 22:54:40 GMT
What is happening in Gaza is awful beyond imagination ....it's always the case when innocent civilians are caught up in this kind of thing , of course the Israeli retaliation to the rocket attacks on their territory has been disproportionate , this has ever been the case in a situation like this when one side is overwhelmingly stronger than the other ...of course there is much sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians , but why do Hamas keep attacking Israel in the manner that they do ? They know what the response ( rightly or wrongly is going to be ) yet still they do so knowing that it is going to result in the deaths of these innocent men ,women and children....do they care ? You have to question their motives surely ?....Please don't get me wrong in assuming that. I am banging the drum in support of Israel ...I am not ....but Hamas is not Persil white in any of this by a long way ......firing missiles in either direction is not the answer is it , neither is attempting to make these poor people who are the victims martyrs .....if this carries on there can only be one end to it .....and it won't be in favour of Palestinians of Hamas . Idiotic anti Zionist vitriol is neither here nor there in this matter ....it's just the opinion of one or two who take anything like this that they can to further their ridiculous anti western conspiracy theories to the full ....war has always been disproportionate ...it always will be ....some people need a lesson in the coming and goings of world History .....there have been some occasions in the past when the " zionists " have been victims of disproportionate over reaction Attachment DeletedIt's never pleasant to look at pictures like that is it ? It's not hard to see where the Israelis are coming from even if their methods are wrong .....self preservation can sometimes be irrational , but that's how they see it rightly or wrongly ...self preservation
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 30, 2014 23:27:58 GMT
Resort to thinly veiled abuse just because you won't read of this in any recommended text book (what a surprise). I cant read it because its not there. Zionists stopped funding the Nazis long before WW2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 23:33:36 GMT
Resort to thinly veiled abuse just because you won't read of this in any recommended text book (what a surprise). I cant read it because its not there. Zionists stopped funding the Nazis long before WW2. The Nazis burned all the books anyway
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 31, 2014 3:59:19 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jul 31, 2014 7:08:19 GMT
What is happening in Gaza is awful beyond imagination ....it's always the case when innocent civilians are caught up in this kind of thing , of course the Israeli retaliation to the rocket attacks on their territory has been disproportionate , this has ever been the case in a situation like this when one side is overwhelmingly stronger than the other ...of course there is much sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians , but why do Hamas keep attacking Israel in the manner that they do ? They know what the response ( rightly or wrongly is going to be ) yet still they do so knowing that it is going to result in the deaths of these innocent men ,women and children....do they care ? You have to question their motives surely ?....Please don't get me wrong in assuming that. I am banging the drum in support of Israel ...I am not ....but Hamas is not Persil white in any of this by a long way ......firing missiles in either direction is not the answer is it , neither is attempting to make these poor people who are the victims martyrs .....if this carries on there can only be one end to it .....and it won't be in favour of Palestinians of Hamas . Idiotic anti Zionist vitriol is neither here nor there in this matter ....it's just the opinion of one or two who take anything like this that they can to further their ridiculous anti western conspiracy theories to the full ....war has always been disproportionate ...it always will be ....some people need a lesson in the coming and goings of world History .....there have been some occasions in the past when the " zionists " have been victims of disproportionate over reaction View AttachmentIt's never pleasant to look at pictures like that is it ? It's not hard to see where the Israelis are coming from even if their methods are wrong .....self preservation can sometimes be irrational , but that's how they see it rightly or wrongly ...self preservation Zionists used the Jews in WW2 as they are doing now. And the news seems to deliberately ignore these folk. . Not content with listening to the messages of murdered children and the distress of murdered children's parents, zionist Murdoch stoops to a new low...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 9:55:00 GMT
What is happening in Gaza is awful beyond imagination ....it's always the case when innocent civilians are caught up in this kind of thing , of course the Israeli retaliation to the rocket attacks on their territory has been disproportionate , this has ever been the case in a situation like this when one side is overwhelmingly stronger than the other ...of course there is much sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians , but why do Hamas keep attacking Israel in the manner that they do ? They know what the response ( rightly or wrongly is going to be ) yet still they do so knowing that it is going to result in the deaths of these innocent men ,women and children....do they care ? You have to question their motives surely ?....Please don't get me wrong in assuming that. I am banging the drum in support of Israel ...I am not ....but Hamas is not Persil white in any of this by a long way ......firing missiles in either direction is not the answer is it , neither is attempting to make these poor people who are the victims martyrs .....if this carries on there can only be one end to it .....and it won't be in favour of Palestinians of Hamas . Idiotic anti Zionist vitriol is neither here nor there in this matter ....it's just the opinion of one or two who take anything like this that they can to further their ridiculous anti western conspiracy theories to the full ....war has always been disproportionate ...it always will be ....some people need a lesson in the coming and goings of world History .....there have been some occasions in the past when the " zionists " have been victims of disproportionate over reaction View AttachmentIt's never pleasant to look at pictures like that is it ? It's not hard to see where the Israelis are coming from even if their methods are wrong .....self preservation can sometimes be irrational , but that's how they see it rightly or wrongly ...self preservation Zionists used the Jews in WW2 as they are doing now. And the news seems to deliberately ignore these folk. . Not content with listening to the messages of murdered children and the distress of murdered children's parents, zionist Murdoch stoops to a new low... You are attempting to manipulate this thread for purely political reasons and therefore losing your own argument , your hatred of "zionists " seems to far outweigh your concern for the plight of the people of Gaza
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Post by starkiller on Jul 31, 2014 11:07:39 GMT
Zionists used the Jews in WW2 as they are doing now. And the news seems to deliberately ignore these folk. . Not content with listening to the messages of murdered children and the distress of murdered children's parents, zionist Murdoch stoops to a new low... You are attempting to manipulate this thread for purely political reasons and therefore losing your own argument , your hatred of "zionists " seems to far outweigh your concern for the plight of the people of Gaza It is political and my argument is it is wrong. Zionists are responsible, without question, and Murdoch is a zionist specialising in propaganda. So we are supposed to discuss this massacre with no mention of the perpetrators? To be honest, I think they've enjoyed quite enough anonymity over the decades. And still do. Allowing Israel to become the terrorist state they blatantly are. And I think my concern for the Gazans is more than evident, so stop YOUR manipulating.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 31, 2014 13:04:54 GMT
What is happening in Gaza is awful beyond imagination ....it's always the case when innocent civilians are caught up in this kind of thing , of course the Israeli retaliation to the rocket attacks on their territory has been disproportionate , this has ever been the case in a situation like this when one side is overwhelmingly stronger than the other ...of course there is much sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians , but why do Hamas keep attacking Israel in the manner that they do ? They know what the response ( rightly or wrongly is going to be ) yet still they do so knowing that it is going to result in the deaths of these innocent men ,women and children....do they care ? You have to question their motives surely ?....Please don't get me wrong in assuming that. I am banging the drum in support of Israel ...I am not ....but Hamas is not Persil white in any of this by a long way ......firing missiles in either direction is not the answer is it , neither is attempting to make these poor people who are the victims martyrs .....if this carries on there can only be one end to it .....and it won't be in favour of Palestinians of Hamas . Idiotic anti Zionist vitriol is neither here nor there in this matter ....it's just the opinion of one or two who take anything like this that they can to further their ridiculous anti western conspiracy theories to the full ....war has always been disproportionate ...it always will be ....some people need a lesson in the coming and goings of world History .....there have been some occasions in the past when the " zionists " have been victims of disproportionate over reaction View AttachmentIt's never pleasant to look at pictures like that is it ? It's not hard to see where the Israelis are coming from even if their methods are wrong .....self preservation can sometimes be irrational , but that's how they see it rightly or wrongly ...self preservation It's a bit beyond self preservation Bish. Israel don't want peace..they use conflict..which they usually orchestrate..to allow more Israeli settlers onto The West Bank & Gaza Strip..illegal occupation of Palestinian land..when Palestinians fight back they launch rockets at them & the whole situation escalates. Of course Hamas and Islamic Jihad groups are no saints BUT the lesson of History teaches us that if you drive people into the ground sooner or later you get resistance. The middle east is now more unstable than it has been for decades..with Syria and Iran both highly volatile to say nothing of the awful mess inside Iraq. It won't be long before oil supplies are affected and the price of oil bolts up..That affects everyone..higher gas..electricity..petrol..food prices. The situation inside Israel just escalates things even further especially given President Obamas 'wait and see and do nothing' policy. President Bush & Clinton took a very pro-active stance over Israeli actions and that's what's needed now. Unfortunately all the USA have done is given another 3 billion dollars worth of arms to Israel. Ratified this week in the senate. And while all this is going on the Russians will be doing deals with Jihadi groups making the whole region even more unstable.
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Post by heavysoul on Jul 31, 2014 14:51:45 GMT
There is a stock pile of ammo in Israel provided by America for emergency use only. It is that ammo that is being used against the Gaza population so on one hand America calls for peace but with the other hand provides Israel with ammo to carry on this oppression and murder.
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Post by heavysoul on Jul 31, 2014 14:52:03 GMT
There is a stock pile of ammo in Israel provided by America for emergency use only. It is that ammo that is being used against the Gaza population so on one hand America calls for peace but with the other hand provides Israel with ammo to carry on this oppression and murder.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:04:16 GMT
There is a stock pile of ammo in Israel provided by America for emergency use only. It is that ammo that is being used against the Gaza population so on one hand America calls for peace but with the other hand provides Israel with ammo to carry on this oppression and murder. But all that weaponry is as dangerous as a sausage roll until it is picked up and deliberately fired by an Israeli....
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 31, 2014 15:24:34 GMT
There is no defence for Israeli policies (however pragmatic you are about war - give your head a wobble) but the everyday Israeli needs understanding and reassuring much more than they need defeating. The palestinians however are the real victims and need fighting for. This makes things complicated. The Israeli obsession with plausible morality is being seriously undermined for the first time through social media can be turned from their greatest propeganda tool into an instrument of transformation. They have very high opinions of themselves in my experience and role of merciful and benevolent should sit better than oppressor and outcast. The everyday Israeli holds the freedom of the Palestinians in their hands and through social media and initiatives like BDS I think they can be won over despite best efforts of their leaders to manipulate their fear as we see right now. It wont be easy but in amongst the gloom and despair I can see a shred of hope for the first time in my life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:40:05 GMT
You are attempting to manipulate this thread for purely political reasons and therefore losing your own argument , your hatred of "zionists " seems to far outweigh your concern for the plight of the people of Gaza It is political and my argument is it is wrong. Zionists are responsible, without question, and Murdoch is a zionist specialising in propaganda. So we are supposed to discuss this massacre with no mention of the perpetrators? To be honest, I think they've enjoyed quite enough anonymity over the decades. And still do. Allowing Israel to become the terrorist state they blatantly are. And I think my concern for the Gazans is more than evident, so stop YOUR manipulating. I don't believe I have manipilated anything .....just pointed out what is abundantly clear to see ....nothing more
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:52:11 GMT
What is happening in Gaza is awful beyond imagination ....it's always the case when innocent civilians are caught up in this kind of thing , of course the Israeli retaliation to the rocket attacks on their territory has been disproportionate , this has ever been the case in a situation like this when one side is overwhelmingly stronger than the other ...of course there is much sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians , but why do Hamas keep attacking Israel in the manner that they do ? They know what the response ( rightly or wrongly is going to be ) yet still they do so knowing that it is going to result in the deaths of these innocent men ,women and children....do they care ? You have to question their motives surely ?....Please don't get me wrong in assuming that. I am banging the drum i of Israel ...I am not ....but Hamas is not Persil white in any of this by a long way ......firing missiles in either direction is not the answer is it , neither is attempting to make these poor people who are the victims martyrs .....if this carries on there can only be one end to it .....and it won't be in favour of Palestinians of Hamas . Idiotic anti Zionist vitriol is neither here nor there in this matter ....it's just the opinion of one or two who take anything like this that they can to further their ridiculous anti western conspiracy theories to the full ....war has always been disproportionate ...it always will be ....some people need a lesson in the coming and goings of world History .....there have been some occasions in the past when the " zionists " have been victims of disproportionate over reaction View AttachmentIt's never pleasant to look at pictures like that is it ? It's not hard to see where the Israelis are coming from even if their methods are wrong .....self preservation can sometimes be irrational , but that's how they see it rightly or wrongly ...self preservation It's a bit beyond self preservation Bish. Israel don't want peace..they use conflict..which they usually orchestrate..to allow more Israeli settlers onto The West Bank & Gaza Strip..illegal occupation of Palestinian land..when Palestinians fight back they launch rockets at them & the whole situation escalates. Of course Hamas and Islamic Jihad groups are no saints BUT the lesson of History teaches us that if you drive people into the ground sooner or later you get resistance. The middle east is now more unstable than it has been for decades..with Syria and Iran both highly volatile to say nothing of the awful mess inside Iraq. It won't be long before oil supplies are affected and the price of oil bolts up..That affects everyone..higher gas..electricity..petrol..food prices. The situation inside Israel just escalates things even further especially given President Obamas 'wait and see and do nothing' policy. President Bush & Clinton took a very pro-active stance over Israeli actions and that's what's needed now. Unfortunately all the USA have done is given another 3 billion dollars worth of arms to Israel. Ratified this week in the senate. And while all this is going on the Russians will be doing deals with Jihadi groups making the whole region even more unstable. I don't disagree with you at all mate , I was just attempting to to explain how the Israelis think ......the whole Zionist way of thinking is designed to preserve and expand the state of Israel no matter what the cost , what the rest of us see as beyond reasonable and disproportionate behaviour is unimportant to them ....I wasn't attempting to makes excuses for them in any way, I find what is going on just as reprehensible as any other normal person
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Post by starkiller on Jul 31, 2014 17:19:06 GMT
It is political and my argument is it is wrong. Zionists are responsible, without question, and Murdoch is a zionist specialising in propaganda. So we are supposed to discuss this massacre with no mention of the perpetrators? To be honest, I think they've enjoyed quite enough anonymity over the decades. And still do. Allowing Israel to become the terrorist state they blatantly are. And I think my concern for the Gazans is more than evident, so stop YOUR manipulating. I don't believe I have manipilated anything .....just pointed out what is abundantly clear to see ....nothing more Well there's plenty of evidence on this thread to show my concern for Gazans. And in the light of disgusting propaganda from the world's biggest rag-merchant and innocent children being slaughtered in their sleep, murdered in their hundreds in an illegal siege against all International Law - under bombardment from the most advanced war tech, who have no army, no defence, no space, no power, no sanitation, water, food, medical supplies and no escape - it's my comments you consider extreme?? As for anti-Western - if you can't see the hypocrisy in the last week or so, you never will. Being dismissive about the current bloodbath as all just part of war (not that this is a war, it's an illegal siege and invasion, as written in International Law, and a sovereign state with a LEGAL right to resist, using force) does you no favours.
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