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Post by partickpotter on Aug 4, 2014 20:37:03 GMT
Could be describing what is happening today in Gaza, but is describing what was happening in Beirut in the summer of 1982!
The above is an extract from Ang Swee Chai's book From Beiruit to Jerusalem.
Israel's strategy of killing civilians is a long, and inglorious, one.
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Post by heavysoul on Aug 4, 2014 20:47:45 GMT
Could be describing what is happening today in Gaza, but is describing what was happening in Beirut in the summer of 1982! The above is an extract from Ang Swee Chai's book From Beiruit to Jerusalem. Israel's strategy of killing civilians is a long, and inglorious, one. And will continue unopposed in the future. Does anyone else feel disgusted with some peoples posts on here defending the Zionist state and their so called right to defend themselves?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2014 21:16:16 GMT
I give up with you...seriously mate you've got some anger management issues going on. My point is simple, genocide and war crimes are going on out there and you suggest we do nothing. I think you're wrong on this, simple. I don't like cowards , I don't like liars , and I don't like people who when I've already given them my view come back with what you have just done. I have told you to read the fucking responses I've made and then you will perhaps understand why arbitration is the only answer and why I don't think it is is wise for the United Kingdom or the United States to get involved. How many more fucking times do I need to fucking tell you....Eh? Three other posters have said the same to you and you still don't get it do you..? Any talks with us or America is bound to be seen as biased or unfair and that is why (as I've already written) we should not get involved !!!! Do you understand ? FFS... Thick or what ? Incidentally, as the US and UK are still selling arms to Israel...I'd suggest we are involved, wouldn't you? Do you understand...now??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 21:20:32 GMT
Well you might be , but I'm not.
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Post by scarlet on Aug 4, 2014 21:22:16 GMT
The Middle East situation is far too complicated for me (and I would wager most of us) to fully grasp. What is disturbingly apparent though is we are being fed the notion that Palestinians are less important in the general hierarchy of the human race than the rest of us, which would explain the general indifference with which the western world seems to regard their fate. One poster on here wrote the sweeping statement "Islam is evil". A catchy headline maybe but also an unfair sweeping generalisation of a world wide faith and its millions of mostly peaceful practitioners. However, it is statements like this that are used to gradually erode and eventually de-humanise whole races of people (which includes the Nazi's abhorrent treatment of the Jews), and eventually leads to everyone looking the other way from, or even condoning, mass murder and genocide. All religions, faiths and nations have the potential to be both good and evil, as they are manipulated by people often for their own ends. With a bit of tolerance and understanding, and less greed, from all nations and religions the world would be a much more peaceful place, but I won't hold my breath anytime soon.
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 5, 2014 0:19:37 GMT
Leaving aside the rest of the conflict, the number of rocket attacks is fairly well documented, as is the Iron Dome's accuracy. There are tens of rockets per day usually, climbing to the hundreds in times of conflict. Iron Dome intercepts up to 90% of them and gets better all the time. They share technology with the US National Missile Defence program- which is partly why the US will never stop funding Iron Dome, and thats got nothing to do with Gaza. Well there's none in that video. Rockets and rumours of rockets are what the Israeli psychos need. And none of it explains Hamas or the rockets. Let's consider just some of the evidence: Founded by Mossad/Israelis (could it be any more obvious?) Leaders currently sitting comfortably in zionist controlled Qatar ordering the poor Hamas supporters Able to access a continued supply of rockets, in the most controlled border in the world which is under permanent lockdown Able to continue firing them - despite weeks of a campaign whose supposed intention is to destroy them (isn't it the most obvious thing to see where they are launched from?) They do see where theyre being launched from. Theyre being fired from residential areas and stored in schools, hospitals and anywhere where plenty of civilians are. Not to justify the intensity of the bombing, but Israel arent targeting all those places for fun.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 5, 2014 3:03:05 GMT
Well there's none in that video. Rockets and rumours of rockets are what the Israeli psychos need. And none of it explains Hamas or the rockets. Let's consider just some of the evidence: Founded by Mossad/Israelis (could it be any more obvious?) Leaders currently sitting comfortably in zionist controlled Qatar ordering the poor Hamas supporters Able to access a continued supply of rockets, in the most controlled border in the world which is under permanent lockdown Able to continue firing them - despite weeks of a campaign whose supposed intention is to destroy them (isn't it the most obvious thing to see where they are launched from?) They do see where theyre being launched from. Theyre being fired from residential areas and stored in schools, hospitals and anywhere where plenty of civilians are. Not to justify the intensity of the bombing, but Israel arent targeting all those places for fun. Israel is not interested in defeating Hamas - it serves them too well. If they were, they would send in covert special forces on the ground to take out the leadership, they know where they are. Genocide is their mission.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2014 5:59:15 GMT
They do see where theyre being launched from. Theyre being fired from residential areas and stored in schools, hospitals and anywhere where plenty of civilians are. Not to justify the intensity of the bombing, but Israel arent targeting all those places for fun. Israel is not interested in defeating Hamas - it serves them too well. If they were, they would send in covert special forces on the ground to take out the leadership, they know where they are. Genocide is their mission. That isn't true. If they wanted to kill every Palestinian in Gaza they could do it easily. They could do this easier than killing the Hamas leadership which you indicate as some sort of proof of their intention above (although of course they'd be dead in this scenario as well!). They have the military muscle to do so. What Israel are looking for is the complete subjugation of the Palestinian people. Make them subservient to the Israeli state. Of course the fact that significant numbers of Palestinians will be (and have been) killed in achieving this doesn't bother them; actually they may see this as a tactic in achieving their strategic aim. Not nice, and not right either. But not genocide.
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Post by Northy on Aug 5, 2014 6:48:59 GMT
They do see where theyre being launched from. Theyre being fired from residential areas and stored in schools, hospitals and anywhere where plenty of civilians are. Not to justify the intensity of the bombing, but Israel arent targeting all those places for fun. Israel is not interested in defeating Hamas - it serves them too well. If they were, they would send in covert special forces on the ground to take out the leadership, they know where they are. Genocide is their mission. Just google and check back in the news and see how many hamas leaders they have targeted and killed, they do target and kill them, but somebody always steps up and takes over, the rockets are still being fired, both sides don't seem to care for the civilians.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 8:14:32 GMT
Israel is not interested in defeating Hamas - it serves them too well. If they were, they would send in covert special forces on the ground to take out the leadership, they know where they are. Genocide is their mission. Just google and check back in the news and see how many hamas leaders they have targeted and killed, they do target and kill them, but somebody always steps up and takes over, the rockets are still being fired, both sides don't seem to care for the civilians. Comments like yours Northwich are not welcome on here by the resident Muslim brotherhood and in particular it's leader Mustafa Camel. You can't say that Hamas doesn't care about its civilians by firing these rockets as it will clearly be seen as pro Israeli. You may also be targeted as being homophobic , racist or that "you don't get it". You see , it's terrible all this slaughter by the Israelis. They don't care ...what are the Palestinians supposed to do ? It is not humanly possible to be on this fence in relation to this debate. You have to be on the side of Hamas or not at all . These are the rules....! I forgot to mention the word "fuzzy" is also frowned upon. It cannot be used in its historical context or as a loose term to describe the "Middle Eastern fighter" covering a number of nationalities. Some innocent soul was mercilessly attacked yesterday on the other board for saying that a footballer was 'coloured'......the anger was palpable. So you see , all your comments have to be slightly favoured in one particular direction , because to do otherwise would risk the wrath and condemnation of the brotherhood. You have been warned. I'm off to stroke a herd of llamas in the communist republic of North Cheshire that I have been entrusted to care for....see u soon . Mumf
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 8:45:50 GMT
Hope this thread isn't deleted by admin before I finish work......quick tea...quick shower n wank then sit with a cuppa coffee and this beauty
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2014 8:48:44 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2014 8:50:19 GMT
Just google and check back in the news and see how many hamas leaders they have targeted and killed, they do target and kill them, but somebody always steps up and takes over, the rockets are still being fired, both sides don't seem to care for the civilians. Comments like yours Northwich are not welcome on here by the resident Muslim brotherhood and in particular it's leader Mustafa Camel. You can't say that Hamas doesn't care about its civilians by firing these rockets as it will clearly be seen as pro Israeli. You may also be targeted as being homophobic , racist or that "you don't get it". You see , it's terrible all this slaughter by the Israelis. They don't care ...what are the Palestinians supposed to do ? It is not humanly possible to be on this fence in relation to this debate. You have to be on the side of Hamas or not at all . These are the rules....! I forgot to mention the word "fuzzy" is also frowned upon. It cannot be used in its historical context or as a loose term to describe the "Middle Eastern fighter" covering a number of nationalities. Some innocent soul was mercilessly attacked yesterday on the other board for saying that a footballer was 'coloured'......the anger was palpable. So you see , all your comments have to be slightly favoured in one particular direction , because to do otherwise would risk the wrath and condemnation of the brotherhood. You have been warned. I'm off to stroke a herd of llamas in the communist republic of North Cheshire that I have been entrusted to care for....see u soon . Mumf You don't have to be on the side of Hamas, I'm certainly not. I'm on the side of humanity and against slaughter.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 5, 2014 8:50:35 GMT
Israel is not interested in defeating Hamas - it serves them too well. If they were, they would send in covert special forces on the ground to take out the leadership, they know where they are. Genocide is their mission. Just google and check back in the news and see how many hamas leaders they have targeted and killed, they do target and kill them, but somebody always steps up and takes over, the rockets are still being fired, both sides don't seem to care for the civilians. Correction. CLAIMED to have targeted Hamas leaders. Nevertheless, back to my point. Hamas is an Israeli created and controlled asset. Who does the firing of firework rockets serve?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 8:59:04 GMT
Blood is thicker than water. The first Muslim cabinet minister . No surprises there then .
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Post by starkiller on Aug 5, 2014 9:05:31 GMT
Blood is thicker than water. The first Muslim cabinet minister . No surprises there then . Well it doesn't seem to have affected the leaders of much of Arab world, who have done nothing. Because they are puppets installed by the same Zionists that control the UK. Saudi Arabia, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 9:07:33 GMT
Well perhaps she was shunned for not carrying a Kalashnikov to work.....
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 5, 2014 9:08:14 GMT
Blood is thicker than water. The first Muslim cabinet minister . No surprises there then . Is her comment wrong? "The killing of innocent civilians must stop. Need immediate ceasefire in #Gaza. Leadership required on both sides to stop this suffering."
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2014 9:11:47 GMT
Blood is thicker than water. The first Muslim cabinet minister . No surprises there then . No surprise in your response either.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2014 9:15:29 GMT
Not much mention of race there at all..
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Post by heavysoul on Aug 5, 2014 9:32:00 GMT
I understand that Spain have suspended trade of arms with Israel? The first hopefully of many European countries to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 9:37:03 GMT
Blood is thicker than water. The first Muslim cabinet minister . No surprises there then . Is her comment wrong? "The killing of innocent civilians must stop. Need immediate ceasefire in #Gaza. Leadership required on both sides to stop this suffering." It's up to her. I have no interest in her , her politics or religion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 9:42:00 GMT
Not much mention of race there at all.. Was you expecting some ?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 5, 2014 9:47:43 GMT
Is her comment wrong? "The killing of innocent civilians must stop. Need immediate ceasefire in #Gaza. Leadership required on both sides to stop this suffering." It's up to her. I have no interest in her , her politics or religion. But you do have an interest in Israel and Gaza, quite clearly demonstrated in this thread. Therefore you must have an opinion on what she said whilst she was in the cabinet of this country's government and was acting on yours and my behalf when she was making these comments.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 5, 2014 9:54:32 GMT
Is her comment wrong? "The killing of innocent civilians must stop. Need immediate ceasefire in #Gaza. Leadership required on both sides to stop this suffering." It's up to her. I have no interest in her , her politics or religion. What I think you should be concerned with is the fact that this country's Government and system is under total control of a foreign interest group. They have no concern for you, for the British people, for British interests, or British military. What has been interesting to see is our politicians clearly more concerned with not offending their masters (what can I say, what can't I say) when dealing with the current bloodbath. Almost painful to watch. Next time you start bleating about immigration, remember this same group control the UK policy through their control of the EU and have no interest in the British people. The next time there is loss of British life in some foreign invasion, remember they are dying not for interests of Britain but the interests of this same group.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 9:55:19 GMT
It's up to her. I have no interest in her , her politics or religion. But you do have an interest in Israel and Gaza, quite clearly demonstrated in this thread. Therefore you must have an opinion on what she said whilst she was in the cabinet of this country's government and was acting on yours and my behalf when she was making these comments. I don't have an opinion on anything she has said . I'm not interested in her or her party.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 9:58:50 GMT
It's up to her. I have no interest in her , her politics or religion. What I think you should be concerned with is the fact that this country's Government and system is under total control of a foreign interest group. They have no concern for you, for the British people, for British interests, or British military. What has been interesting to see is our politicians clearly more concerned with not offending their masters (what can I say, what can't I say) when dealing with the current bloodbath. Almost painful to watch. Next time you start bleating about immigration, remember this same group control the UK policy through their control of the EU and have no interest in the British people. The next time there is loss of British life in some foreign invasion, remember they are dying not for interests of Britain but the interests of this same group. You're talking David Icke again....go and take your tablets and get back to me later when you're feeling better.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 5, 2014 10:01:56 GMT
But you do have an interest in Israel and Gaza, quite clearly demonstrated in this thread. Therefore you must have an opinion on what she said whilst she was in the cabinet of this country's government and was acting on yours and my behalf when she was making these comments. I don't have an opinion on anything she has said . I'm not interested in her or her party. Are you sure you don't have an opinion on ANYTHING she has said, not even that she's resigning? Blood is thicker than water and all that crap?
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Post by starkiller on Aug 5, 2014 10:12:57 GMT
What I think you should be concerned with is the fact that this country's Government and system is under total control of a foreign interest group. They have no concern for you, for the British people, for British interests, or British military. What has been interesting to see is our politicians clearly more concerned with not offending their masters (what can I say, what can't I say) when dealing with the current bloodbath. Almost painful to watch. Next time you start bleating about immigration, remember this same group control the UK policy through their control of the EU and have no interest in the British people. The next time there is loss of British life in some foreign invasion, remember they are dying not for interests of Britain but the interests of this same group. You're talking David Icke again....go and take your tablets and get back to me later when you're feeling better. Have you seen these glove-puppet politicians speak? They aren't freely speaking, they're terrified of their zionist masters. Look at the video of Cleggy from a few minutes ago when asked about the issue (Warsi/Gaza). You can almost see the hand up his backside. You'll get a lot more sense from Icke than these hired liars.
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Post by buiskatthebrit on Aug 5, 2014 10:14:02 GMT
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