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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 27, 2014 18:13:10 GMT
Shotton is only there because Odemwingie isn't. Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty. Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half.
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Jul 27, 2014 18:18:20 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jul 27, 2014 18:18:20 GMT
30 - 50m players signed from abroad by premier league clubs they say can take 12 months to settle in.
Wonder how long some stoke fans will give bojan?
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Jul 27, 2014 18:24:30 GMT
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Post by Pirate on Jul 27, 2014 18:24:30 GMT
From what I saw of him yesterday his quality is clear but he is lacking a lot of confidence which is understandable. Hopefully here at Stoke he can get more confident and have a solid season. Also I don't see his height as an issue as players get so much protection from refs nowadays. He will win a lot of set pieces, an area we need to take advantage more than we did last season.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 27, 2014 19:07:00 GMT
If he's apparantly low on confidence the last thing he is going to do is throw him straight in at the deep end regardless of what he has won. Giving the start of the season to Ireland would be a better option for multiple reasons. Firstly Ireland played pretty well last season it's really his shirt to lose and continue to play well for & it's up to Bojan to knock him off that perch as a less pressured substitute. It says to Bojan he isn't the big fish in the small pond and it's up to all the team to get results not just him. It also allows him to integrate to the pace of this league at his own pace & with a 4 year contract i'm sure it won't take him 12 month. Well that's how i'd do it anyway. Back in the old days under Pulis id imagine that would be the case see Tuncay. Hughes has a different mentality. Under the old regime he would have been nailed on for a few months sat on the bench to "see what it was all about" while he got "Stoke fit" followed by a good old winter loan to Barnsley to toughen him up once it got a bit windy at the Brit.
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Jul 27, 2014 19:16:49 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2014 19:16:49 GMT
Under the new regime he doesn't appear to have an obvious position in the rigid Hughes system.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:16:38 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 27, 2014 20:16:38 GMT
Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty. Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. Well said! Amazing how a few jars in the rain open the eyes of even the most antt-Brek folks. He causd problems down the left and I would like to see how he links with Muniesa. Meanwhile in Reit im Winkl .... Ant/Silverback and the lads from "the hill" have hijacked the band playing at the cafe and the hills are alive with a resounding rendition of Delilah! I think Les and the lads can hear it over at their hotel 2 miles away.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:00:27 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2014 21:00:27 GMT
Balance is the key to a good footballing side. The side that started yesterday was "bat shit mental" as I called it for being massively unbalanced. I know it was only a friendly but never again please Yozzer..... Our best side on paper has 4 positions where we don't know who'll get the nod-right back, centre back, left back and right wing. This is where the experimenting should be taking place. I agree, Bayern. We were fantastic at the end of last season and the core of that side should remain. Why change it for Villa when we slaughtered them with ease? I thought last season all we really needed was a top class finisher; if Diouf is that man we will be fine. I would like a bit of back up in case he isn't, or if he gets injured. At least we have some options now, and that's what we have needed in the past.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:16:51 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 21:16:51 GMT
Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty. Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 27, 2014 21:24:08 GMT
Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. Not me, I would love Shea to prove a lot of people wrong, in a counter attacking style like we were in the later part of last season catching teams fast on the break, Shea will come into his own, as he is very fast and direct
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Jul 27, 2014 21:26:43 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2014 21:26:43 GMT
There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. Not me, I would love Shea to prove a lot of people wrong, in a counter attacking style like we were in the later part of last season catching teams fast on the break, Shea will come into his own, as he is very fast and direct Hope your right Marc he's got a lot to prove. Got all the physical attributes but as of yet not done anything.
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Post by cmc89 on Jul 27, 2014 21:40:26 GMT
Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. I'm in tears mate. It will mean stokemanusa will be starting threads left right and centre claiming shea is shit and that we're all fanboys.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 27, 2014 21:44:10 GMT
There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. Not me, I would love Shea to prove a lot of people wrong, in a counter attacking style like we were in the later part of last season catching teams fast on the break, Shea will come into his own, as he is very fast and direct I'd love that to be true but do you ever think he'll get the chance mate? Lets not beat around the bush. The guy had a massive chance to impress last season when he went on loan but he completely fucked it up. That's not an anti-American agenda or whatever bullshit excuse people like to come out with, that's just the way it happened. We've already got Arnie, Odemwingie, Bojan, and Walters (if he's still here) who can play on the wing, and are by all accounts busting a gut to sign another winger (or two) so surely that paints a perfectly clear picture of where Hughes see's him in his plans? If he's still with the club come September, I'll bet it's not through a lack of effort in trying to get rid.
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Jul 27, 2014 22:27:45 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2014 22:27:45 GMT
Balance is the key to a good footballing side. The side that started yesterday was "bat shit mental" as I called it for being massively unbalanced. I know it was only a friendly but never again please Yozzer..... Our best side on paper has 4 positions where we don't know who'll get the nod-right back, centre back, left back and right wing. This is where the experimenting should be taking place. I agree, Bayern. We were fantastic at the end of last season and the core of that side should remain. Why change it for Villa when we slaughtered them with ease? I thought last season all we really needed was a top class finisher; if Diouf is that man we will be fine. I would like a bit of back up in case he isn't, or if he gets injured. At least we have some options now, and that's what we have needed in the past. I don't think he will overly tbh but still I'd like to see that team play a few friendlies to gel again and bed Diouf in etc. I expect this side to start against Villa Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa Whelan Fonz Wingie Ireland Arnie Diouf And the the only place I struggled to read his mind is left back.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Jul 27, 2014 22:35:08 GMT
Does MH rate Wilson more than Huth? Does he rate Muniesa better than Pieters?
I could maybe understand the latter, though Erik has done a good job for us.
The day Wilson is a better defender than Huth is when I start watching Morris Dancing!
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Jul 27, 2014 22:59:32 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2014 22:59:32 GMT
Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. I still think he'll come good.
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Jul 27, 2014 23:18:18 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 23:18:18 GMT
There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. I still think he'll come good. I hope so, from the bits I've seen in the recent friendlies it's looking positive.
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Jul 28, 2014 3:50:21 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 28, 2014 3:50:21 GMT
Does MH rate Wilson more than Huth? Does he rate Muniesa better than Pieters? I could maybe understand the latter, though Erik has done a good job for us. The day Wilson is a better defender than Huth is when I start watching Morris Dancing! I would imagine that he sees one of Shawcross & Huth playing with one of one of Wilson & Muniesa more so than thinking Huth is not a better defender than any of the latter two. Both Wilson & Muniesa are what you could call good footballing defenders & Huth & Shawcross are both big unit stoppers.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 28, 2014 6:37:13 GMT
Does MH rate Wilson more than Huth? Does he rate Muniesa better than Pieters? I could maybe understand the latter, though Erik has done a good job for us. The day Wilson is a better defender than Huth is when I start watching Morris Dancing! Shawcross is certainly nailed on for his place, but I'm not so sure who his first choice partner will be as the season progresses. Huth never looked comfortable last season. Of course, he may not have been fully fit even before his injury and, if so, then we can hope that his injury layoff will have restored him to his best. If Huth doesn't get back to his best then, it will be interesting to see whether Muniesa or Teixeira claims the place as the season progresses. I think Wilson will remain in the squad whatever happens. His two footedness and - being able to fill in anywhere across the back 4 makes him very useful as a player to have on the bench. In 12 months time it would not surprise me to see Teixeira at cb alongside Shawcross with Muniesa at left back or in Whelan's midfield spot.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 28, 2014 6:38:06 GMT
Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. There's going to be quite a few unhappy to read that. Bollox to em...I just tell it how I see it He took on his defender numerous times and more often than not got the better of him....the crossing was his downfall though if Im being honest. It went to the back post more often than not and no one was there. If he put his head up and pulled the ball back and squraed it, we had people in the middle waiting. Im sure Hughes will have seen this and will address it ( probably by dropping him )
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 28, 2014 6:44:28 GMT
Does MH rate Wilson more than Huth? Does he rate Muniesa better than Pieters? I could maybe understand the latter, though Erik has done a good job for us. The day Wilson is a better defender than Huth is when I start watching Morris Dancing! Shawcross is certainly nailed on for his place, but I'm not so sure who his first choice partner will be as the season progresses. Huth never looked comfortable last season. Of course, he may not have been fully fit even before his injury and, if so, then we can hope that his injury layoff will have restored him to his best. If Huth doesn't get back to his best then, it will be interesting to see whether Muniesa or Teixeira claims the place as the season progresses. I think Wilson will remain in the squad whatever happens. His two footedness and - being able to fill in anywhere across the back 4 makes him very useful as a player to have on the bench. In 12 months time it would not surprise me to see Teixeira at cb alongside Shawcross with Muniesa at left back or in Whelan's midfield spot. On the basis of the game on Saturday LP, I would stick me neck out and say Teixeira would be the one to slot in...... a very good performance against 'ze germans'
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Jul 28, 2014 7:45:39 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 28, 2014 7:45:39 GMT
Shawcross is certainly nailed on for his place, but I'm not so sure who his first choice partner will be as the season progresses. Huth never looked comfortable last season. Of course, he may not have been fully fit even before his injury and, if so, then we can hope that his injury layoff will have restored him to his best. If Huth doesn't get back to his best then, it will be interesting to see whether Muniesa or Teixeira claims the place as the season progresses. I think Wilson will remain in the squad whatever happens. His two footedness and - being able to fill in anywhere across the back 4 makes him very useful as a player to have on the bench. In 12 months time it would not surprise me to see Teixeira at cb alongside Shawcross with Muniesa at left back or in Whelan's midfield spot. On the basis of the game on Saturday LP, I would stick me neck out and say Teixeira would be the one to slot in...... a very good performance against 'ze germans' Certainly he seems very comfortable on the ball. But, it was against a second division team. As a defender, we'll see how much he has to learn when we see him against top class strikers - Tuesday will be interesting.
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Jul 28, 2014 7:54:31 GMT
Post by marwood on Jul 28, 2014 7:54:31 GMT
Not me, I would love Shea to prove a lot of people wrong, in a counter attacking style like we were in the later part of last season catching teams fast on the break, Shea will come into his own, as he is very fast and direct I'd love that to be true but do you ever think he'll get the chance mate? Lets not beat around the bush. The guy had a massive chance to impress last season when he went on loan but he completely fucked it up. That's not an anti-American agenda or whatever bullshit excuse people like to come out with, that's just the way it happened. We've already got Arnie, Odemwingie, Bojan, and Walters (if he's still here) who can play on the wing, and are by all accounts busting a gut to sign another winger (or two) so surely that paints a perfectly clear picture of where Hughes see's him in his plans? If he's still with the club come September, I'll bet it's not through a lack of effort in trying to get rid. Id like to see Shea come good. I went to Barnsley once and had a shit time but was ok once I came back. Albeit as an away fan rather than a player but I empathise. I cant ever remember going there and getting anything in the 90s. Bleak desolate place with away end open to the moors and horrible fans. I dont blame him (too much) for snapping at that mob.
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Jul 28, 2014 8:12:49 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 28, 2014 8:12:49 GMT
I'd love that to be true but do you ever think he'll get the chance mate? Lets not beat around the bush. The guy had a massive chance to impress last season when he went on loan but he completely fucked it up. That's not an anti-American agenda or whatever bullshit excuse people like to come out with, that's just the way it happened. We've already got Arnie, Odemwingie, Bojan, and Walters (if he's still here) who can play on the wing, and are by all accounts busting a gut to sign another winger (or two) so surely that paints a perfectly clear picture of where Hughes see's him in his plans? If he's still with the club come September, I'll bet it's not through a lack of effort in trying to get rid. Id like to see Shea come good. I went to Barnsley once and had a shit time but was ok once I came back. Albeit as an away fan rather than a player but I empathise. I cant ever remember going there and getting anything in the 90s. Bleak desolate place with away end open to the moors and horrible fans. I dont blame him (too much) for snapping at that mob. Ive only been to Barnsley once so am hardly qualified to comment, but that never stopped me before. About 20 of us went in the back of a removals van in the 80's & some £@#&er threw-up!!! It was a lovely sunny day & am Sure Stoke lost. I bet Brek wasn't even born then, golly I feel old...
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 28, 2014 8:17:19 GMT
I'd love that to be true but do you ever think he'll get the chance mate? Lets not beat around the bush. The guy had a massive chance to impress last season when he went on loan but he completely fucked it up. That's not an anti-American agenda or whatever bullshit excuse people like to come out with, that's just the way it happened. We've already got Arnie, Odemwingie, Bojan, and Walters (if he's still here) who can play on the wing, and are by all accounts busting a gut to sign another winger (or two) so surely that paints a perfectly clear picture of where Hughes see's him in his plans? If he's still with the club come September, I'll bet it's not through a lack of effort in trying to get rid. Id like to see Shea come good. I went to Barnsley once and had a shit time but was ok once I came back. Albeit as an away fan rather than a player but I empathise. I cant ever remember going there and getting anything in the 90s. Bleak desolate place with away end open to the moors and horrible fans. I dont blame him (too much) for snapping at that mob. Perhaps not mate. I remember freezing my nuts off at Oakwell one Boxing day, watching us get pasted, so I've not got great memories of the place either That aside, Brek not performing and then doing what he did while he was there, will imo, ensure his departure this summer (if we can find someone to have him).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 8:35:36 GMT
Shotton and Shea are not going to feature at all next season, if they are still here at all. Hopefully they will do well enough this summer to convince a championship or American club to spend some money
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Jul 28, 2014 8:35:41 GMT
Post by mosquito on Jul 28, 2014 8:35:41 GMT
On the basis of the game on Saturday LP, I would stick me neck out and say Teixeira would be the one to slot in...... a very good performance against 'ze germans' Certainly he seems very comfortable on the ball. But, it was against a second division team. As a defender, we'll see how much he has to learn when we see him against top class strikers - Tuesday will be interesting. Personally, I think Tex is a long way off a starting position, he is great on the ball. But in both friendlies so far, he has been beaten on numerous occasions, when he should have put a stronger foot in, or just stood the man up. I would be very worried for us if he starts at CB in the prem in the near future. But 12 months could see him come on a lot.
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Jul 28, 2014 9:03:29 GMT
Post by elystokie on Jul 28, 2014 9:03:29 GMT
Id like to see Shea come good. I went to Barnsley once and had a shit time but was ok once I came back. Albeit as an away fan rather than a player but I empathise. I cant ever remember going there and getting anything in the 90s. Bleak desolate place with away end open to the moors and horrible fans. I dont blame him (too much) for snapping at that mob. Perhaps not mate. I remember freezing my nuts off at Oakwell one Boxing day, watching us get pasted, so I've not got great memories of the place either :D That aside, Brek not performing and then doing what he did while he was there, will imo, ensure his departure this summer (if we can find someone to have him). Didn't we play there one (fucking freezing) Boxing Day? I can remember our players having so little grip from their boots they were holding on to the Barnsley players in order to just stand up! Sure somebody forgot to take the right boots/studs.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 28, 2014 9:27:10 GMT
Perhaps not mate. I remember freezing my nuts off at Oakwell one Boxing day, watching us get pasted, so I've not got great memories of the place either That aside, Brek not performing and then doing what he did while he was there, will imo, ensure his departure this summer (if we can find someone to have him). Didn't we play there one (fucking freezing) Boxing Day? I can remember our players having so little grip from their boots they were holding on to the Barnsley players in order to just stand up! Sure somebody forgot to take the right boots/studs. We did. We either lost 3.0 or 3.1 if I remember right. Horrible day
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 11:26:24 GMT
Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty. Shea played on the left side in the second half yesterday....... and he was one of the better performers in the half. Were you there dude? Glad that he did. When the stream came up towards the end of the second half he seemed to have swapped wings with Walters, which is why I thought he was deployed right against 1860. Thanks though, and glad he's doing alright this pre season.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 28, 2014 12:32:58 GMT
Perhaps not mate. I remember freezing my nuts off at Oakwell one Boxing day, watching us get pasted, so I've not got great memories of the place either That aside, Brek not performing and then doing what he did while he was there, will imo, ensure his departure this summer (if we can find someone to have him). Didn't we play there one (fucking freezing) Boxing Day? I can remember our players having so little grip from their boots they were holding on to the Barnsley players in order to just stand up! Sure somebody forgot to take the right boots/studs. Promotion season 3-3 draw, Lawrence hat trick?
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