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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 14:59:13 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 14:59:13 GMT
I don't think he will to start with, he's had a couple of slow seasons since his time in Barcas team, and he'll have to get up to speed with the prem, I don't think we'll see him thrown in straight away. I don't think he would have started yesterday had he not been in Hughes starting xi plans. In fact I don't think we'd have seen him at all if he wanted to ease him into the set up. I don't think there's anything to read into him starting yesterday, after all Shotton started a swell as being on the wing and we all know that won't actually happen.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 27, 2014 15:07:33 GMT
I don't agree that Bojan needs toughening up for the Prem. He's played against some nasty bits of work in Spain etc. and small players can cope e.g Messi with bouncer types by using their agility and speed. He'll cope don't worry! The Prem. hasn't got a monopoly on all the bruisers I'm sure.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:08:19 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 15:08:19 GMT
I don't think he would have started yesterday had he not been in Hughes starting xi plans. In fact I don't think we'd have seen him at all if he wanted to ease him into the set up. I'd think there's anything to read into him starting yesterday, after all Shotton started a swell as being on the wing and we all know that won't actually happen. Shotton is only there because Odemwingie isn't.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:10:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:10:21 GMT
I'd think there's anything to read into him starting yesterday, after all Shotton started a swell as being on the wing and we all know that won't actually happen. Shotton is only there because Odemwingie isn't. Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:10:37 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 15:10:37 GMT
I'd think there's anything to read into him starting yesterday, after all Shotton started a swell as being on the wing and we all know that won't actually happen. Shotton is only there because Odemwingie isn't. Yep, true but could have started Walters, which is why I don't think there's anything to read into Bojan starting.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:11:52 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 15:11:52 GMT
Shotton is only there because Odemwingie isn't. Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty. Arnie did start on the wing. He can't be 2 places at once. I'm surprised Shea or even Walters haven't started instead of Shotton but Hughes clearly sees both as utter shit.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:14:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:14:11 GMT
Surprised he didn't try Shea and Arnie on the wings in all honesty. Arnie did start on the wing. He can't be 2 places at once. I'm surprised Shea or even Walters haven't started instead of Shotton but Hughes clearly sees both as utter shit. I know he did I meant in the same XI. Shea was on the right for the second half against 1860, and seems like he'd do better if he played with pace. Being in the second half teams of Crouch etc has limited him a bit. But we'll see what happens.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:14:27 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 15:14:27 GMT
Shotton is only there because Odemwingie isn't. Yep, true but could have started Walters, which is why I don't think there's anything to read into Bojan starting. Yeah I was surprised and I think it's a big statement to Walters in fairness that Shotton has got the nod ahead of him on both occasions. Hughes possibly looking to get rid? I think as soon as a right winger is signed Walters is a gonner be it Assaidi or someone else. Even more reason to bring one in ASAP!
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:15:05 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 15:15:05 GMT
Arnie did start on the wing. He can't be 2 places at once. I'm surprised Shea or even Walters haven't started instead of Shotton but Hughes clearly sees both as utter shit. I know he did I meant in the same XI. Shea was on the right for the second half against 1860, and seems like he'd do better if he played with pace. Being in the second half teams of Crouch etc has limited him a bit. But we'll see what happens. oh sorry I'm with you Yeah fair comment.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:15:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:15:09 GMT
Suggesting Walters is better than Bojan is borderline madness That wasn't what I was saying. I was commenting on the stats. Tell me what you think about the stats.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:17:39 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 15:17:39 GMT
Suggesting Walters is better than Bojan is borderline madness That wasn't what I was saying. I was commenting on the stats. Tell me what you think about the stats. I think those stats in relation to the bigger picture are irrelevant. He had an average season with a pretty average team.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:19:43 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 15:19:43 GMT
I'm thinking of putting a bet on at the bookies with Walters to Palace before the end of the window.
GOARRRN JON
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:26:15 GMT
Post by Jimm on Jul 27, 2014 15:26:15 GMT
Suggesting Walters is better than Bojan is borderline madness That wasn't what I was saying. I was commenting on the stats. Tell me what you think about the stats. He started 17 games for Ajax last season, scoring 4 and creating 4 and played predominantly on the RW or LW. Not too shabby in my opinion. You can't argue the potential of him and i hope he proves his doubters wrong, just like Arnie did
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:34:25 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 15:34:25 GMT
Yep, true but could have started Walters, which is why I don't think there's anything to read into Bojan starting. Yeah I was surprised and I think it's a big statement to Walters in fairness that Shotton has got the nod ahead of him on both occasions. Hughes possibly looking to get rid? I think as soon as a right winger is signed Walters is a gonner be it Assaidi or someone else. Even more reason to bring one in ASAP! Again I don't think it says anything tbh, just seems to me he wanted a mixture of unknowns with a few that he already knows a lot about.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:36:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:36:16 GMT
That wasn't what I was saying. I was commenting on the stats. Tell me what you think about the stats. I think those stats in relation to the bigger picture are irrelevant. He had an average season with a pretty average team. Yes, but do you see my point? If Jon Walters got those stats for last season everyone would be saying he was wank. More wank than usual, in fact. Either way you look at it Mr. Bojan is no goal machine. However, i'm sure that the stats don't tell the full story and I am looking forward to seeing what he can do for us. It's a positive move and I am still pretty excited about him signing.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 15:39:00 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 15:39:00 GMT
I think those stats in relation to the bigger picture are irrelevant. He had an average season with a pretty average team. Yes, but do you see my point? If Jon Walters got those stats for last season everyone would be saying he was wank. More wank than normal, in fact. Either way you look at it Mr. Bojan is no goal machine. Walters scored 2 goals in about 40 games for Hull in the third tier of English football at more or less the same stage in his career. There isn't even a comparison. Edit: make that the 4th tier of English football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:42:13 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal?
He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations:
a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form.
He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc.
We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 27, 2014 16:47:37 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal? He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations: a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form. He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back. Absolutely correct and if he hits form or hopefully when he hits form we will have one hell of a player worth really serious money in a four year contract.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 17:44:41 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 27, 2014 17:44:41 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal? He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations: a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form. He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back. I don't have a problem with that but the problem I see is Hughes feeling that he has to play him at the detriment of the team. Ireland was playing well end of last season and is perfect for playing just behind the striker, we could have hit the ground running with a front 4 of Diouf, Ireland, Arnie and Odemwingie but I feel that he's going to shoehorn Bojan in irrespective of whether it's working or not for a while.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 17:46:52 GMT
Post by Gods on Jul 27, 2014 17:46:52 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal? He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations: a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form. He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back. Do you know what his income will be? Without this part of your equation its not really a meaningful comparison at all. For the record I'm thrilled to bits we have signed him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:50:30 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal? He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations: a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form. He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back. Do you know what his income will be? Without this part of your equation its not really a meaningful comparison at all. For the record I'm thrilled to bits we have signed him. Well I doubt he'll turn out for free, unlike those I quoted no doubt...
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 27, 2014 17:52:25 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal? He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations: a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form. He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back. I don't have a problem with that but the problem I see is Hughes feeling that he has to play him at the detriment of the team. Ireland was playing well end of last season and is perfect for playing just behind the striker, we could have hit the ground running with a front 4 of Diouf, Ireland, Arnie and Odemwingie but I feel that he's going to shoehorn Bojan in irrespective of whether it's working or not for a while. No player is guaranteed a place, if Ireland in training proves he suits the tactics for the next game, Hughes will play him, if it's Bojan or even Adam that's what he will pick. Gone are the days of picking players because you have a laminated team sheet. Hughes has give us with the players he has purchased cover for every position and not just big standard cover, all warrant a starting place, it's upto Hughes to see who fits best and then keep those not picked happy with his decision
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:53:12 GMT
What is so difficult to understand about this deal? He's a lad who has a lot of talent but lost his way a bit. He has come in and his career from this point can go one of a multitude of ways. For example and there will be more permutations: a) He can hit the ground running in August and have a stunning season. b) He can take half a season, slightly less or slightly more than that to hit some kind of form. c) He can take all season to hit form. d) He can take two seasons to hit form. e) He might never hit form. He's cost us 500-900k. Half a Tom Soares, a 10th of a Kenwyne Jones, a 3rd of a Michael Tonge, a 7th of a Dave Kitson, a 5th of a Seyi Olofinjana etc. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Sit back, chill out and watch how he develops and just get off his back. I don't have a problem with that but the problem I see is Hughes feeling that he has to play him at the detriment of the team. Ireland was playing well end of last season and is perfect for playing just behind the striker, we could have hit the ground running with a front 4 of Diouf, Ireland, Arnie and Odemwingie but I feel that he's going to shoehorn Bojan in irrespective of whether it's working or not for a while. How can you tell that from one half of football?
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Jul 27, 2014 17:58:06 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 27, 2014 17:58:06 GMT
I don't have a problem with that but the problem I see is Hughes feeling that he has to play him at the detriment of the team. Ireland was playing well end of last season and is perfect for playing just behind the striker, we could have hit the ground running with a front 4 of Diouf, Ireland, Arnie and Odemwingie but I feel that he's going to shoehorn Bojan in irrespective of whether it's working or not for a while. How can you tell that from one half of football? I'm basing that on the last 2 years of Bojan's career, I hope it works out but I really don't think he's built for that number 10 role he's way too lightweight for the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:59:24 GMT
How can you tell that from one half of football? I'm basing that on the last 2 years of Bojan's career, I hope it works out but I really don't think he's built for that number 10 role he's way too lightweight. I'm talking about your assumption that Hughes feels he has to play him. How can you tell that from one half of football?
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 18:01:27 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 27, 2014 18:01:27 GMT
I'd like to see him being used as a fox in the box striker, it's the only position I think he'll make it in England.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 18:02:31 GMT
Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 27, 2014 18:02:31 GMT
I'd like to see him being used as a fox in the box striker, it's the only position I think he'll make it in England. He will make it either way.
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Jul 27, 2014 18:03:56 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jul 27, 2014 18:03:56 GMT
There's been many stars of the premier league who have been five foot nothing and 8 stone wet through.
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Bojan
Jul 27, 2014 18:08:47 GMT
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Post by 2004 on Jul 27, 2014 18:08:47 GMT
From what I saw of him yesterday his quality is clear but he is lacking a lot of confidence which is understandable. Hopefully here at Stoke he can get more confident and have a solid season. Also I don't see his height as an issue as players get so much protection from refs nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:12:22 GMT
Too early to judge this lad surely - he's come on a new 'pizza boys' conveyor belt that brought us Arnie and Muniesa and that's a massive step up as far as I'm concerned
especially compared to some of the lummocks still pulling a wage undeservedly out of our club right now
Ive said somewhere else
like Muniesa -last season - it'll be after Xmas before we see what this fella really got
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