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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2014 17:36:30 GMT
.....discussions/entrenched positions/keyboard warriors/abuse/I can say what I want , if you don't like it don't post/ moderation....etc
Messageboards have vibes, some people seem to be more regular posters and 'perhaps' dominate discussions, many people read this board and hardly ever contribute. I have no problem with that.I am sure that there are many reasons people don't post, one of which is perhaps the fear of being slapped down.
Since I have been involved I have always had a concern about some of the language used.As a retired Policeman , who for example, was at the Toxteth riots it doesn't shock me, I just think that it is pointless, unnecessary and does not contribute to the argument. Also children hopefully access the board. AND as my 28 year old daughter is a fellow season ticket holder I certainly wouldn't have any pride in her knowing her dad uses vulgar language on an apprently cohesive united messageboard.
Like many others I am saddened if RVD has permanently left the building (please reconsider Rob if you are reading this). I wish that the moderators would do more about this...I did pm them over a year ago but had no response.
I would welcome others views on this BUT please ( I somewhat naively hope ) don't turn this to a personal slanging match against ANY individual ....that is not the purpose of the thread. Once a thread is started no one knows what the outcome will be so I don't want to judge people. Infact it sometimes amazes me how some threads seem to repetitively regurgitate deeply held views when it is absolutely clear that neither party will be persuaded to change their views.
I would welcome other friends views on Messageboard discussions
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 17:42:09 GMT
See, I don't have a problem with swearing in general - sometimes you can't emphasise how bad Pennant's attempt at tackling against Everton was without it - but I am against people using it at others as abuse. I.e to say a tackle was shit is alright in my eyes, but calling someone a fucking moron for example isn't needed really (although admittedly I've done it in the past out of frustration etc). All about context, but understandable that people are against it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2014 17:43:15 GMT
Rob's a big enough boy to fight his own battles and if he deletes, he deletes. And for it when he comes back (he will come back) he will have the piss taken mercilessly from yours truly. He wouldn't expect it to be anything different.  It doesn't bother me but I am massive fan of "vulgar language" as long as you're not insulting another poster. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 6, 2014 17:43:52 GMT
.....discussions/entrenched positions/keyboard warriors/abuse/I can say what I want , if you don't like it don't post/ moderation....etc Messageboards have vibes, some people seem to be more regular posters and 'perhaps' dominate discussions, many people read this board and hardly ever contribute. I have no problem with that.I am sure that there are many reasons people don't post, one of which is perhaps the fear of being slapped down. Since I have been involved I have always had a concern about some of the language used.As a retired Policeman , who for example, was at the Toxteth riots it doesn't shock me, I just think that it is pointless, unnecessary and does not contribute to the argument. Also children hopefully access the board. AND as my 28 year old daughter is a fellow season ticket holder I certainly wouldn't have any pride in her knowing her dad uses vulgar language on an apprently cohesive united messageboard. Like many others I am saddened if RVD has permanently left the building (please reconsider Rob if you are reading this). I wish that the moderators would do more about this...I did pm them over a year ago but had no response. I would welcome others views on this BUT please ( I somewhat naively hope ) don't turn this to a personal slanging match against ANY individual ....that is not the purpose of the thread. Once a thread is started no one knows what the outcome will be so I don't want to judge people. Infact it sometimes amazes me how some threads seem to repetitively regurgitate deeply held views when it is absolutely clear that neither party will be persuaded to change their views. I would welcome other friends views on Messageboard discussions Fuck off.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 17:44:19 GMT
I think it depends, I swear occasionally and I have no issue with swearing generally, more often then that it is in the context that it is used in.
I think it's fairly safe to assume you're referencing ************** who I thought is a good example of crossing the line, it's times like that where he was using insults in a homophobic way which really cross the line and sour the whole thread to be honest.
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Post by louis11 on Jul 6, 2014 17:46:36 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually.
As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner
Shame really, but that is today's society
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 6, 2014 17:49:19 GMT
I'm hopeless at abuse. But I have reached an agreement with **************. I now write posts in my usual erudite manner and then email them to ************** who adds abuse and dirty language to them and emails them back to me for posting on the thread. I get this service free coz we are big mates but he'll do it for any poster for a nominal fee. You know it makes sense! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2014 17:57:35 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually. As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner Shame really, but that is today's society Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It is no use trying to disguise the fact that in managerial terms, we have gone backwards. Hughes is not good enough. Simple. I assume we will stick with him as now the penny pinching John Coates is running the club he won,t want to pay the compensation, and will hope he comes good, but anyone with a semblance of football knowledge knows relegation is a very serious threat. I am just reacting on what I have seen all season, not just today It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. |
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Post by scfclifer on Jul 6, 2014 18:00:17 GMT
:-) Bayern and lol @ momo
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 6, 2014 18:06:45 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually. As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner Shame really, but that is today's society Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It is no use trying to disguise the fact that in managerial terms, we have gone backwards. Hughes is not good enough. Simple. I assume we will stick with him as now the penny pinching John Coates is running the club he won,t want to pay the compensation, and will hope he comes good, but anyone with a semblance of football knowledge knows relegation is a very serious threat. I am just reacting on what I have seen all season, not just today It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. Certainly carries 'weight' does that. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 6, 2014 18:07:09 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually. As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner Shame really, but that is today's society Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It is no use trying to disguise the fact that in managerial terms, we have gone backwards. Hughes is not good enough. Simple. I assume we will stick with him as now the penny pinching John Coates is running the club he won,t want to pay the compensation, and will hope he comes good, but anyone with a semblance of football knowledge knows relegation is a very serious threat. I am just reacting on what I have seen all season, not just today It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. And another thread changes direction into it's familiar territory. As a former non professional I always had faith Hughes would come good and I was right so, on that basis, professionals know less than non professionals, especially on the oatcake! QED Geoff?  I think, and that's a dangerous thing on here, the OP was pointing out something prevalent on this bored* for a long time. How quick some people are to slag off other posters who don't agree with them. I blame it on Pulis. Fans of other clubs warned he would divide support for years and so it continues. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 6, 2014 18:08:46 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually. As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner Shame really, but that is today's society Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It is no use trying to disguise the fact that in managerial terms, we have gone backwards. Hughes is not good enough. Simple. I assume we will stick with him as now the penny pinching John Coates is running the club he won,t want to pay the compensation, and will hope he comes good, but anyone with a semblance of football knowledge knows relegation is a very serious threat. I am just reacting on what I have seen all season, not just today It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. Good work agent Bayern!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 18:08:57 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually. As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner Shame really, but that is today's society Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It is no use trying to disguise the fact that in managerial terms, we have gone backwards. Hughes is not good enough. Simple. I assume we will stick with him as now the penny pinching John Coates is running the club he won,t want to pay the compensation, and will hope he comes good, but anyone with a semblance of football knowledge knows relegation is a very serious threat. I am just reacting on what I have seen all season, not just today It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. In all fairness Bayern, I actually think that post was reasonable considering it was in January! It was a concern held by many... Although I don't approve much of him getting high and mighty about being an ex-pro  |
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Post by foster on Jul 6, 2014 18:11:34 GMT
What's Paul going to do of RVD has left?
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Post by pyrus on Jul 6, 2014 18:12:16 GMT
Football was one of the last bastions of the bloke. It has been changing particularly since the Premiership money has elevated footballers into multi-millionaires. They are glamorous personalities as much as sports stars. The clubs have their corporate prawn sandwich clientele, Hello Magazine is as much about footballers as it is about TV stars. Women are presenting the sport (good as some of them are, in reality it is often as eye-candy for the male audience). Kids,as always go to footy games. It was where I learnt a lot of swear words and also where I learnt about where it was appropriate to use them.
But in spite of the dilution, somewhere in football, tucked away, is a place where a bloke can still be a bloke in an unashamed way, where he can swear, be a little politically risqué, make a dick of himself, give and take a bit of banter, elevate this sport to having greater importance than life or death and swear his fucking head off while doing so. And long may that last.
This is a football message board. In my experience it is an extension of that blokiness. Without the freedom to behave in that way, it could not hold the same interest. If kids come on it, they learn all that they would at a football match. I am sure they go on other sites and realise that is is okay to swear here but not there. Insulting people is different, but at least you can walk away, no one forces you to log on.
While I understand the points being made by the OP, I utterly reject them because as much as I respect the point he is putting across, this is football, this is the appropriate place for this sort of thing and this is not something I am willing to compromise on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 18:12:47 GMT
I agree completely with the sentiment of this post. This is my first post for some months since I was called all sorts of names for expressing my views, so I choose now to read usually. As an ex pro, I think my views carry some weight, and if expressed coherently, that is too much for some who can only retort in a vile manner Shame really, but that is today's society Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It is no use trying to disguise the fact that in managerial terms, we have gone backwards. Hughes is not good enough. Simple. I assume we will stick with him as now the penny pinching John Coates is running the club he won,t want to pay the compensation, and will hope he comes good, but anyone with a semblance of football knowledge knows relegation is a very serious threat. I am just reacting on what I have seen all season, not just today It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. Brilliant. I'd have another few months off now if I were you Louis |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2014 18:14:13 GMT
Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. And another thread changes direction into it's familiar territory. As a former non professional I always had faith Hughes would come good and I was right so, on that basis, professionals know less than non professionals, especially on the oatcake! QED Geoff? I think, and that's a dangerous thing on here, the OP was pointing out something prevalent on this bored* for a long time. How quick some people are to slag off other posters who don't agree with them. I blame it on Pulis. Fans of other clubs warned he would divide support for years and so it continues. That's just messageboards tbh! They are places for opinionated people, it's par for the course. It's why I never understand why people don't understand that! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2014 18:15:51 GMT
Other than a post naming a pub, this was your last post; It's always shit trawling going back through someone's post but that is a tiny bit funny. In all fairness Bayern, I actually think that post was reasonable considering it was in January! It was a concern held by many... Although I don't approve much of him getting high and mighty about being an ex-pro It was just the ex pro thing and see the "Hughes is not good enough, simple" bit that made me post it. I wanted to see what he slagged off for but in between now and that post in January there was post about a pub..... |
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Post by march4 on Jul 6, 2014 18:18:19 GMT
Why has RVD left?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 6, 2014 18:19:44 GMT
He's got a bad case of pedanticritous. |
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Post by march4 on Jul 6, 2014 18:20:41 GMT
He's got a bad case of pedanticritous. We all suffer from that occasionally!! |
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Post by Linx on Jul 6, 2014 18:21:01 GMT
The trouble with this, like many message boards, is that too many people attack ad hominem and not the argument put forward. I find this particularly strange, since few of us actually know each other beyond the persona we inadvertantly project through cyber space. I've been posting on here for more than ten years and seen many a good poster come and go, many resurfacing under a different username, whilst I'd like to see some post more than they actually do these days.
I'm sad if it is true that RVD has 'retired'. His post-match analyses were brilliant, worthy of the highest standards of footie journalism, and I can only hope that he comes back soon.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 6, 2014 18:21:33 GMT
Insulting people is different, but at least you can walk away, no one forces you to log on. While I understand the points being made by the OP, I utterly reject them because as much as I respect the point he is putting across, this is football, this is the appropriate place for this sort of thing and this is not something I am willing to compromise on. whilst agreeing with a lot of what you say, the extension of blokiness, where you are wrong , is people on the terraces or in the pub would not take up the brave stances they do behind a keyboard. People on this board have always taken the piss, it's part of the Stokie DNA, but insulting fellow fans goes beyond the terms and conditions of this board and is not on. Simple really don't talk to people on here any differently than you would in real life. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 6, 2014 18:25:00 GMT
.....discussions/entrenched positions/keyboard warriors/abuse/I can say what I want , if you don't like it don't post/ moderation....etc Messageboards have vibes, some people seem to be more regular posters and 'perhaps' dominate discussions, many people read this board and hardly ever contribute. I have no problem with that.I am sure that there are many reasons people don't post, one of which is perhaps the fear of being slapped down. Since I have been involved I have always had a concern about some of the language used.As a retired Policeman , who for example, was at the Toxteth riots it doesn't shock me, I just think that it is pointless, unnecessary and does not contribute to the argument. Also children hopefully access the board. AND as my 28 year old daughter is a fellow season ticket holder I certainly wouldn't have any pride in her knowing her dad uses vulgar language on an apprently cohesive united messageboard. Like many others I am saddened if RVD has permanently left the building (please reconsider Rob if you are reading this). I wish that the moderators would do more about this...I did pm them over a year ago but had no response. I would welcome others views on this BUT please ( I somewhat naively hope ) don't turn this to a personal slanging match against ANY individual ....that is not the purpose of the thread. Once a thread is started no one knows what the outcome will be so I don't want to judge people. Infact it sometimes amazes me how some threads seem to repetitively regurgitate deeply held views when it is absolutely clear that neither party will be persuaded to change their views. I would welcome other friends views on Messageboard discussions Are you saying its a good, or a bad thing that the regular posters dominate and 'slap people down'? |
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Post by foster on Jul 6, 2014 18:25:24 GMT
I like RVD, but I'm not a fan of people announcing they're leaving. Seems a bit 'hey look at me'.
Didn't see what happened but RVD doesn't strike me as the type to leave over a bit of abuse. I expect he'll be back soon enough.
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Post by Linx on Jul 6, 2014 18:25:27 GMT
Insulting people is different, but at least you can walk away, no one forces you to log on. While I understand the points being made by the OP, I utterly reject them because as much as I respect the point he is putting across, this is football, this is the appropriate place for this sort of thing and this is not something I am willing to compromise on. whilst agreeing with a lot of what you say, the extension of blokiness, where you are wrong , is people on the terraces or in the pub would not take up the brave stances they do behind a keyboard. People on this board have always taken the piss, it's part of the Stokie DNA, but insulting fellow fans goes beyond the terms and conditions of this board and is not on. Simple really don't talk to people on here any differently than you would in real life. Well said, Rob. (You ugly bastard   ) |
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Post by pyrus on Jul 6, 2014 18:26:28 GMT
Insulting people is different, but at least you can walk away, no one forces you to log on. While I understand the points being made by the OP, I utterly reject them because as much as I respect the point he is putting across, this is football, this is the appropriate place for this sort of thing and this is not something I am willing to compromise on. whilst agreeing with a lot of what you say, the extension of blokiness, where you are wrong , is people on the terraces or in the pub would not take up the brave stances they do behind a keyboard. People on this board have always taken the piss, it's part of the Stokie DNA, but insulting fellow fans goes beyond the terms and conditions of this board and is not on. Simple really don't talk to people on here any differently than you would in real life. I do not disagree with that at all. You can still walk away, indeed I did once, killing my account after ten years and about 5000 posts. Certainly that is not always possible in a pub. But I agree, it is better that people are not personally abusive in the first place, and I think it is covered in the T&cs |
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Post by RAF on Jul 6, 2014 18:29:08 GMT
I enjoy calling people cunts, and I have no problem in being called one either as it is a fact.
Anyone who deletes their account because someone has upset them is a handbag swinging gayer and that is another fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 18:29:20 GMT
The trouble with this, like many message boards, is that too many people attack ad hominem and not the argument put forward. I find this particularly strange, since few of us actually know each other beyond the persona we inadvertantly project through cyber space. I've been posting on here for more than ten years and seen many a good poster come and go, many resurfacing under a different username, whilst I'd like to see some post more than they actually do these days. I'm sad if it is true that RVD has 'retired'. His post-match analyses were brilliant, worthy of the highest standards of footie journalism, and I can only hope that he comes back soon. Yes , but ************** does provide a 'Happy Hour" fuelled thread for the merriment and pleasure of those in the clique on matters more suited to a west Lancashire knitting club for the over 60s. You must remember Cissy and Ada that Les Dawson used to entertain us with ? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 6, 2014 18:39:43 GMT
I like RVD, but I'm not a fan of people announcing they're leaving. Seems a bit 'hey look at me'. Didn't see what happened but RVD doesn't strike me as the type to leave over a bit of abuse. I expect he'll be back soon enough. To be fair to RVD, I don't think he did announce he was leaving. He just deleted his account - not really a "look at me" action at all. He has every right to do it, but I wish he hadn't. I'd rather have lost ************** than RVD - although if ************** comes out with a superb blog after each Stoke game I could change my mind. Somehow, having seen **************'s work I doubt if he can replicate the great stuff RVD produced. |
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