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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2014 21:07:12 GMT
Never been more unimpressed by our RB and CB partnership for England since I can remember. Cahill isn't the answer.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 19, 2014 21:09:16 GMT
Not unless Woy goes and the media are stopped from writing crap to influence the new manager.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 19, 2014 21:10:07 GMT
Surely he will be picked now!
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2014 21:10:58 GMT
You'd think oggy. Feckin Jagielka has no leaps and Cahill switches off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:12:13 GMT
He will not be picked unless he leaves stoke, doesn't matter who the manager is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:12:51 GMT
No and I don't want him to be. Playing for that shower of shite would damage his already "bad" reputation and mess up his confidence
He should jut forget about England so the spotlight doesn't get put on on him.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 19, 2014 21:13:09 GMT
Shawcross needs to get some friendlies under his belt now and prepare to be a starter in the Euros.
Anything is better than that load of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:13:26 GMT
You must be one of those 'bedwetters'
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2014 21:13:51 GMT
No and I don't want him to be. Playing for that shower of shite would damage his already "bad" reputation and mess up his confidence He should jut forget about England so the spotlight doesn't get put on on him. Good point. Any manager who puts Henderson next to Gerrard is inept. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2014 21:15:01 GMT
You must be one of those 'bedwetters' Whats wrong with wetting the bed? Its more natural than England's off the ball movement. |
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 19, 2014 21:15:43 GMT
I thought Cahill was ok but Jagielka was pathetic I wouldn't give him his airfare home
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:16:00 GMT
Cahill was our only defender tonight. He doesn't deserve all the shit he gets. Cahill did everything tonight and eventually got caught out by a shrewd suarez, which i think was when he was in jagielka's position.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:17:34 GMT
You must be one of those 'bedwetters' Whats wrong with wetting the bed? Its more natural than England's off the ball movement. Bed Watters are being proved right tonight |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:17:34 GMT
No and I don't want him to be. Playing for that shower of shite would damage his already "bad" reputation and mess up his confidence He should jut forget about England so the spotlight doesn't get put on on him. Good point. Any manager who puts Henderson next to Gerrard is inept. I thought Henderson was alright it's just Billy big bollocks next to him who is hyped up everytime and 99% of the time produces fuck all |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:18:45 GMT
Cahill was our only defender tonight. He doesn't deserve all the shit he gets. Cahill did everything tonight and eventually got caught out by a shrewd suarez, which i think was when he was in jagielka's position. I agree, Cahill is a decent center half, I can't say the same for Jagielka!. |
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Post by Davef on Jun 19, 2014 21:19:00 GMT
Ryan is best off as far away from that shower of tossers as possible. There isn't a defender worthy of the name in that squad.
Because of who he is and who he plays for he'd never be cut any of the slack the likes of Cahill and Jageilka repeatedly have.
Ryan gets done by one of the world's best defenders in a 15 minute appearance and is slaughtered. Cahill gets done by Kenny fucking Miller and will probably go on and win at least 70 caps.
And while I'm on, Hart isn't fit to lace Asmir's boots.
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Post by bettyswallox on Jun 19, 2014 21:19:00 GMT
Cahill was our only defender tonight. He doesn't deserve all the shit he gets. Cahill did everything tonight and eventually got caught out by a shrewd suarez, which i think was when he was in jagielka's position. Agreed, Cahill played well. Reminded me of Shawcross when our back 4 was makeshift earlier in the season, he stood up to be counted. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2014 21:20:51 GMT
Cahill was our only defender tonight. He doesn't deserve all the shit he gets. Cahill did everything tonight and eventually got caught out by a shrewd suarez, which i think was when he was in jagielka's position. Agreed, Cahill played well. Reminded me of Shawcross when our back 4 was makeshift earlier in the season, he stood up to be counted. Jagielka was more of a letdown tonight for sure. |
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Post by StoKeith on Jun 19, 2014 21:21:47 GMT
Ultimately, three of the four goals we've conceded this World Cup have come directly from a central defender switching off and ball watching instead of sticking to their man (Balotelli and Suarez). Who knows, maybe Shawcross wouldn't have made those boneheaded mistakes.
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Post by chellpotter on Jun 19, 2014 21:21:47 GMT
I thought Cahill was ok but Jagielka was pathetic I wouldn't give him his airfare home I agree that Cahill was one of the only players who had a good game! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:23:50 GMT
Ultimately, three of the four goals we've conceded this World Cup have come directly from a central defender switching off and ball watching instead of sticking to their man (Balotelli and Suarez). Who knows, maybe Shawcross wouldn't have made those boneheaded mistakes.That works on so many levels, Maybe Leon Cort wouldn't of made those mistake? all defenders switch off it just seems when England center backs do it, it gets punished |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:25:18 GMT
Agreed, Cahill played well. Reminded me of Shawcross when our back 4 was makeshift earlier in the season, he stood up to be counted. Jagielka was more of a letdown tonight for sure. Don't think i would have put Jagielka in my squad, nevermind the 1st team. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 19, 2014 21:26:39 GMT
Ultimately, three of the four goals we've conceded this World Cup have come directly from a central defender switching off and ball watching instead of sticking to their man (Balotelli and Suarez). Who knows, maybe Shawcross wouldn't have made those boneheaded mistakes.That works on so many levels, Maybe Leon Cort wouldn't of made those mistake? all defenders switch off it just seems when England center backs do it, it gets punished True. I reckon we'd all be saying 'Shawcross wouldn't have made that mistake against Ibrahimovic' if Jagielka had done it. But it really does make you wonder if he is that much worse to what we have now. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2014 21:28:12 GMT
I'd have Cahill-Shawcross as the cbs for England everyday... Cahill Jagielka is onesided imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:29:05 GMT
That works on so many levels, Maybe Leon Cort wouldn't of made those mistake? all defenders switch off it just seems when England center backs do it, it gets punished True. I reckon we'd all be saying 'Shawcross wouldn't have made that mistake against Ibrahimovic' if Jagielka had done it. But it really does make you wonder if he is that much worse to what we have now. Exactly. Aslong as Shawcross stays a rock for us like he has been since he arrived I couldn't care less if he plays for England or not |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 19, 2014 21:30:13 GMT
Cahill had an excellent game, and has had an excellent season, sorry if that doesn't suit the shawcross agenda.
Jags is the one who isn't up to it but to be fair to them both they are trying to defend without a right back. Johnson is absolute dogshit as a defender.
Remember that even shawcross and huth struggled when we had no full backs last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:31:02 GMT
I thought Cahill was ok but Jagielka was pathetic I wouldn't give him his airfare home Exactly how i saw it |
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 19, 2014 21:31:11 GMT
shawcross wouldn't of done any better than jags or cahill
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 21:31:40 GMT
True. I reckon we'd all be saying 'Shawcross wouldn't have made that mistake against Ibrahimovic' if Jagielka had done it. But it really does make you wonder if he is that much worse to what we have now. Exactly. Aslong as Shawcross stays a rock for us like he has been since he arrived I couldn't care less if he plays for England or notIt could be the reason we end up losing him if he feels it's hampering his England chances playing for an "unfashionable club" |
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Post by mrpickles on Jun 19, 2014 21:32:54 GMT
shawcross wouldn't of done any better than jags or cahill Oh, fuck off Nick |
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