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Post by badger on Jun 19, 2014 22:29:16 GMT
Glad he was no where near it, maybe a new broom will sweep clean next season.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 19, 2014 22:29:42 GMT
England need a leader at the back massively. I hate myself for sayig this but England missed John Terry.
Shawcross leads Stoke magnificently even when Faye was here he still lead the back 4. Shawcross may or may not br able to lead England at the back. He could well have learned from the match against Sweden (where senior centre half Cahill let a junior CB mark Zlatan btw) or he may get overrun with the occasion again.
Ryan Shawcross will get at least 1 other cap, mark my words.
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Post by werrington on Jun 19, 2014 22:34:21 GMT
I can take Shawcross not being selected as it's opinions
What I can't take is the bollocks he was outclassed by a world class centre forward and that's the reason for his non selection
wtf happened tonight then
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Post by badger on Jun 19, 2014 22:36:42 GMT
I can take Shawcross not being selected as it's opinions What I can't take is the bollocks he was outclassed by a world class centre forward and that's the reason for his non selection wtf happened tonight then Ryan got hung out to dry by Cahill, he couldn't get off marking Ibrahimovic quick enough!
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Post by mrpickles on Jun 19, 2014 22:44:20 GMT
You implied any neutrals would see Shawcross the way you do. Clearly some don't. I apologise I didn't conduct a worldwide survey, which would obviously proved you right Haven't you got a club that's going down quicker than Hodgson's reputation to worry about anyway? I can't speak for everyone but the vast majority would see the same as me Ahhhh, so you can't speak for everyone, but you can speak for the vast majority. Got ya Nicholas. Makes perfect sense
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Post by senojbor on Jun 19, 2014 22:44:47 GMT
Shawcross had Balotteli in his arse pocket every game he played against him and he would have cut out the cross tonight for Suarez. England lost both games because they left the best centre half in the country at home. Blindingly obvious.
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Post by Bagwash on Jun 19, 2014 22:54:54 GMT
Shawcross had Balotteli in his arse pocket every game he played against him and he would have cut out the cross tonight for Suarez. England lost both games because they left the best centre half in the country at home. Blindingly obvious. Agree 100% mate. The English press and those that 'run' football in this country are obssessed with ball playing centre halves. What about good defending centre halves?
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 19, 2014 22:58:51 GMT
I can't speak for everyone but the vast majority would see the same as me Ahhhh, so you can't speak for everyone, but you can speak for the vast majority. Got ya Nicholas. Makes perfect sense your just been a tosser
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Post by mrpickles on Jun 19, 2014 23:09:18 GMT
Ahhhh, so you can't speak for everyone, but you can speak for the vast majority. Got ya Nicholas. Makes perfect sense your just been a tosser That's me mate And *you're* just being a thick cunt. Stick to Villa Nicky, because you know fuck all about this club.
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 19, 2014 23:25:02 GMT
I know you're a twat that thinks shawcross is better than cahill and jagielka which I find highly amusing
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 19, 2014 23:26:16 GMT
Ahhhh, so you can't speak for everyone, but you can speak for the vast majority. Got ya Nicholas. Makes perfect sense your just been a tosser I know you're a twat who thinks shawcross is better than cahill and jagielka which I find highly amusing
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 19, 2014 23:28:04 GMT
I am delighted he was not picked for the World Cup
It would have been a no win situation
If he performed well ( unlikely) he would not be a Stoke player for long
If he played badly, that may have undermined his confidence as a player.
Apart from that he is no better than the current lot.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jun 19, 2014 23:34:59 GMT
Ryan is at least as good if not better than jagielka smalling and cahill
Just watch the Suarez goals and the Ballotelli one and the lack of defence
Don't get me started on that henderson waste of space
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Post by coates on Jun 19, 2014 23:51:44 GMT
I know you're a twat that thinks shawcross is better than cahill and jagielka which I find highly amusing have you watched shawcross every game for the past six seasons? if the answer is know then you are talking out of your arse. so your opinion is based on fuck all? no one said hes world class but hes better than them two donkeys were have at the back.
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Post by coates on Jun 19, 2014 23:53:27 GMT
I can take Shawcross not being selected as it's opinions What I can't take is the bollocks he was outclassed by a world class centre forward and that's the reason for his non selection wtf happened tonight then some peoples opinions of shawcross at international level are based off them 15 minutes v sweden, cahill got done by kenny miller enough said.
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Post by stokemark on Jun 19, 2014 23:58:46 GMT
I know you're a twat that thinks shawcross is better than cahill and jagielka which I find highly amusing I feel rather sorry for you Nick
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Post by bignickhowes on Jun 20, 2014 0:10:18 GMT
I know you're a twat that thinks shawcross is better than cahill and jagielka which I find highly amusing have you watched shawcross every game for the past six seasons? if the answer is know then you are talking out of your arse. so your opinion is based on fuck all? no one said hes world class but hes better than them two donkeys were have at the back. Iv watched quite a lot of stoke to be honest so my opinion is based on that Your always going to over rate the players who play for your club
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 20, 2014 0:11:48 GMT
The current England back 4 is just about as bad defending as I can remember. As others have said Hodgson is fixated with what else they can do as defenders.At this level if you are shite at defending you get caught out which we have done now 4 times. the defense needs an overhaul if Woy stays no doubt its step forward Jones and Smalling !
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Post by coates on Jun 20, 2014 0:39:36 GMT
have you watched shawcross every game for the past six seasons? if the answer is know then you are talking out of your arse. so your opinion is based on fuck all? no one said hes world class but hes better than them two donkeys were have at the back. Iv watched quite a lot of stoke to be honest so my opinion is based on that Your always going to over rate the players who play for your club It's got nothing to do with him playing for stoke hes a quality player, and has been quality for the past few seasons. Two things goes against him ramseygate and 15 mins against Sweden which is bollocks.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jun 20, 2014 0:42:25 GMT
have you watched shawcross every game for the past six seasons? if the answer is know then you are talking out of your arse. so your opinion is based on fuck all? no one said hes world class but hes better than them two donkeys were have at the back. Iv watched quite a lot of stoke to be honest so my opinion is based on that Your always going to over rate the players who play for your club Some do Nick but I think most have a fairly balanced view of Ryan. The unavoidable, and inexcusable fact is, Ryan was given barely 15 minutes in a game we were already getting murdered in, to stake his claim to be 'International class'. He fell on his arse but the other central defenders that night were just as bad if not worse and yet they remain in the England set up and Ryan has been completely ignored ever since. During that time he has captained a pretty good Premier League team, improved every aspect of his game and been player of the season for a club that finished in the top half of the table. Despite that, Roy has been to watch him precisely NIL times. Few would claim that he's massively better than some in the England set up but he is certainly as good as most and better than some that have been given far more opportunity than he has. His treatment by the England set up is border-line criminal. Quote "You're always going to over-rate the players that play for your club" Does that include Cahill (the ex VILLA defender)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 1:03:15 GMT
in after dozintheseventees hits another nail on the head
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Post by mrpickles on Jun 20, 2014 6:05:17 GMT
I know you're a twat that thinks shawcross is better than cahill and jagielka which I find highly amusing I'm definitely a twat But beyond that, you're having a fucking mare. For some reason, you seem to have taken it personally that Stoke fans on a Stoke message board highly rate the Stoke captain (who they have seen play 200 games), and your constant slagging off of him on a Stoke message board is making you sound like a right arrogant twat. It's like me going on a Villa forum and constantly telling everyone on there that Benteke is shite. As I said earlier, you've proved you know jack shit about Ryan on more than one occasion.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jun 20, 2014 6:08:19 GMT
I like how Shawcross got crucified after coming on cold against a shit hot Ibrahimovic and being below par for 15 mins Where Cahill and Jagielka got given the run around by a 75% fit Suarez and the lazy Balotelli for 90 Also Whelan would have done a better job than Gerrard tonight Rant over Whelans Irish though mate ;-) I know. That was referring more to some of the Whelan bashing there has been on twitter this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 6:12:21 GMT
Ahhhh, so you can't speak for everyone, but you can speak for the vast majority. Got ya Nicholas. Makes perfect sense your just been a tosser You really should have gone to your english lessons at school.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jun 20, 2014 6:14:01 GMT
I don't believe Ryan could have changed last nights result - but I'm 100% convinced him man marking Balotelli would have got us a result against Italy.
Fact is, everyone outside of Stoke has made their mind up. They're arrogant, and ignorant, and its truly fucking unjust, but that's the way it is.
Frankly, whilst I feel bad that Ryan is unlikely to get his chance that is fully deserved, fuck them all.
We love you Ryan, and we can plainly see that you're amongst the best central defenders playing in this country and that's all that matters.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 20, 2014 6:27:57 GMT
Ryan's star has certainly risen at this a World Cup. Not being there looks like being a good thing for him.
This tournament was always going to be something of a disaster for us - we are simply not good enough. Our "best" players aren't that good, our young players nit yet good enough. The thing to be determined was the nature of the disaster. As it turns out it looks like elimination in the group stages - possibly with zero points.
The principal culprits being
1) our two leading players not delivering ie Gerrard and Rooney
2) our defence conceding very soft goals with the centre backs culpable
The new manager coming in, because surely this is the end of Woy, will look to address both of these areas.
Shawcross, as a solution to the second of these problems; a defender who knows how to defend, is in with a very good shout.
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Post by huuuuuth on Jun 20, 2014 6:28:39 GMT
Curtis Davis will probably get another chance before Ryan
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Post by trigger on Jun 20, 2014 6:45:35 GMT
It's a disgrace that Shawcross wasn't even in the squad and for that reason I'm glad we're as a good as eliminated.
Cahill is at best average in the Premier League and if he was at a Stoke City sized club he'd not get a look in, he's been given time and games to get international experience not a 15 minute or so token gesture.
Why take Smalling and Jones ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 7:03:28 GMT
Cahill and Jagielka both lost their man at key moments and it cost us. Our back 4 was a shambles, not helped by the fact we had no defensive midfielder.
We need a leader at the back and Ryan is the man for the job.
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Post by britsabroad on Jun 20, 2014 7:04:38 GMT
Ryan wouldnt have made any difference. All except the very, very best players (and England have none of those) have momentary lapses. The aim is to make sure that two players dont have one at the same time.
Ryan would have had lapses too, just the same as Cahill and Jagielka. And because Johnson and Baines were letting crosses come in from all angles, and Gerrard was off playing Roy of the Rovers leaving the opposition to waltz through our midfield, Ryan would have been caught out too.
The media will single out our defence for blame without realising the two defenders were probably the least culpable of the lot.
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