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Post by sheikhmomo on May 16, 2014 22:07:08 GMT
the only way it could have a negative effect is if players thought "Well look at those Stoke players that deserve a call up but aren't getting picked, must be because of their name and reputation so i won't go there" but that isn't the reality whether WE think it is or not. if you ask neutrals out there to name a Stoke player that should definitely get a call up then most would say no-one! i.e. NO-ONE else apart from us actually thinks that our players not getting picked is down to who we are anyway, they think they don't get picked because the vast majority of people just don't see any of our players as being good enough. it really is that simple. As a neutral partially sighted attention seeking wind up merchant, I agree with that. I would rather take Curtis Davies than Shawcross
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Post by RAF on May 16, 2014 22:08:41 GMT
Shawcross not getting picked is just a side issue for me. The real problem here is that Hodgson is an FA brown nosing liar and a feckless piece of worthless spunk crust. Nothing will change until the FA is solely run by ex professional footballers with some balls for big decisions and not by businessmen , beaurocrats and ex bbc directors. I've shit the fucking lot of them.
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Post by daibando on May 16, 2014 22:13:02 GMT
As a neutral I agree with that. I would rather take Curtis Davies than Shawcross Based on... The game at Cardiff's stadium......I though Davies was superb. He won everything in the air and completely commanded the penalty area. Me and the ones with me were very impressed. I didn't notice Shawcross when you played against us apart from holding Caulker's shirt.... Btw.....Perhaps like Roy, I choose players on ability not on the clubs they play for. That is why I have no hesitation in saying that Caulker is lightweight and shouldn't be anywhere near an international squad either.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 16, 2014 22:20:39 GMT
At Cardiff's stadium all that was to be seen was a Malysian spiv ripping the heart out of a once proud team making them play in Wrexham shirts with a bunch of fans not willing to fight for their principles or heritage just to sample a season in the Premier League trough. Sickening really.
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Post by daibando on May 16, 2014 22:24:27 GMT
As a neutral partially sighted attention seeking wind up merchant, I agree with that. I would rather take Curtis Davies than Shawcross That is so ironic calling me partially sighted.......I think a lot of Stokies rate their team and rightly so but a lot of you are way over the top when it comes to your own players. You had a good season, in comparison to previous ones especially, but a little bit of reality is needed. Shawcross is a solid, no nonsense CB but an international player??? No way...huge step up from playing for Stoke to playing on the world stage. I genuinely rate Davies and think he will show his class soon....Btw..I support Cardiff but there is no way I would expect Caulker to play for England..Lightweight, flatters to deceive and like Shawcross, he would be caught out and found wanting on the big stage....I don't understand this...oh you're on a wind up just because I have a different opinion..Your team is not the centre of the earth as some seem to think and yet I'm the partially sighted one
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Post by Olgrligm on May 16, 2014 22:26:22 GMT
The game at Cardiff's stadium......I though Davies was superb. He won everything in the air and completely commanded the penalty area. Me and the ones with me were very impressed. I didn't notice Shawcross when you played against us apart from holding Caulker's shirt.... Btw.....Perhaps like Roy, I choose players on ability not on the clubs they play for. That is why I have no hesitation in saying that Caulker is lightweight and shouldn't be anywhere near an international squad either. What you saw on that day was Ryan Shawcross holding together a makeshift defence with a centre-back who considers centre-back to be his fourth best position and a right-back who may well be Premier League standard in midfield but has proven to be a mid-table Championship full-back at best. For much of this season he's been our only defender, especially early on in the season when the team was all at sea with the new system and at times you had Shawcross vs the entire opposition attack, abandoned by both his fellow defenders and the midfielders.
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Post by daibando on May 16, 2014 22:55:10 GMT
The game at Cardiff's stadium......I though Davies was superb. He won everything in the air and completely commanded the penalty area. Me and the ones with me were very impressed. I didn't notice Shawcross when you played against us apart from holding Caulker's shirt.... Btw.....Perhaps like Roy, I choose players on ability not on the clubs they play for. That is why I have no hesitation in saying that Caulker is lightweight and shouldn't be anywhere near an international squad either. What you saw on that day was Ryan Shawcross holding together a makeshift defence with a centre-back who considers centre-back to be his fourth best position and a right-back who may well be Premier League standard in midfield but has proven to be a mid-table Championship full-back at best. For much of this season he's been our only defender, especially early on in the season when the team was all at sea with the new system and at times you had Shawcross vs the entire opposition attack, abandoned by both his fellow defenders and the midfielders. Well that's fair enough. I shouldn't judge on one game, especially in those circumstances. I was answering as to what I based my opinion on when I wrote that I would rather choose Davies over Shawcross. To be honest I don't see enough of Stoke but when I have seen them he's never really caught my attention. He's never been highlighted on football shows much either, so I'm guessing that the panel 'experts' and ex footballers don't rate him as an international either.
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Post by daibando on May 16, 2014 22:57:49 GMT
At Cardiff's stadium all that was to be seen was a Malysian spiv ripping the heart out of a once proud team making them play in Wrexham shirts with a bunch of fans not willing to fight for their principles or heritage just to sample a season in the Premier League trough. Sickening really. www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-were-cardiff-city-well-7104092 (it takes a few seconds to appear) You obviously live in a black and white, good or bad, right or wrong and nothing in between world, don't you? It was never as simple as that..never. This is off thread but you brought it up and I'm merely responding
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Post by Olgrligm on May 16, 2014 23:11:24 GMT
What you saw on that day was Ryan Shawcross holding together a makeshift defence with a centre-back who considers centre-back to be his fourth best position and a right-back who may well be Premier League standard in midfield but has proven to be a mid-table Championship full-back at best. For much of this season he's been our only defender, especially early on in the season when the team was all at sea with the new system and at times you had Shawcross vs the entire opposition attack, abandoned by both his fellow defenders and the midfielders. Well that's fair enough. I shouldn't judge on one game, especially in those circumstances. I was answering as to what I based my opinion on when I wrote that I would rather choose Davies over Shawcross. To be honest I don't see enough of Stoke but when I have seen them he's never really caught my attention. He's never been highlighted on football shows much either, so I'm guessing that the panel 'experts' and ex footballers don't rate him as an international either. Tony Gayle once told me at Villa Park that he rated him as the best English defender going, whatever that's worth.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 12:49:26 GMT
IF ryan went to a bigger club best we can do is have a flutter on him being named in the next england squad [obviously woy wont be picking it.]
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 16:23:55 GMT
One only has to look at how many top notch strikers Shawcross has snuffed out to see if he's a great player or not.
He's fcuking awesome.
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Post by stokeyank on May 22, 2014 17:05:56 GMT
I guess that is the tricky part for a player like Ryan. He is rarely in a position to be "noticed". Being the back anchor in the middle of a defense (especially a one like Stoke has played most of his career), there is very little chance to move forward, make a great pass or make a run into/through the midfield.
Further the fact that he does his job so well, means attacking players that he is marking or are in is area don't see much of the ball. So he has even LESS of a chance to get noticed. Still he make the tough clearances, blocks shots and can take an opposing attacker completely out of the game. These are un-glamorous, boring, workman like plays. Still how any football manager can fail to see that is one type of player every side needs a few of, is beyond me.
Just glad he plays for Stoke.
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