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Post by trigger on May 15, 2014 16:19:24 GMT
I honestly don't think anyone gives a shit about playing for England, we're not exactly any good.
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Post by partickpotter on May 15, 2014 16:21:51 GMT
100%. You can see that and you're 4,000 miles away from FA HQ at Wembley. again...point and question in the OP entirely missed just so people can start yet another thread about "Should Ryan be picked" despite that not being the question asked in the OP Are you on "threadwatch" this afternoon - making sure threads stay true to the original post? Good luck - it's a tough job!
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Post by Fred Ferret on May 15, 2014 16:23:32 GMT
Hodgson is just another manager who aims to keep the f.a and the media happy! Its a joke. Hodgson is just a joke - aswell.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 16:25:17 GMT
again...point and question in the OP entirely missed just so people can start yet another thread about "Should Ryan be picked" despite that not being the question asked in the OP Are you on "threadwatch" this afternoon - making sure threads stay true to the original post? Good luck - it's a tough job! no not at all i just think that people seem to think it's bad news for us if our players don't get picked.all i'm trying to say is that we don't have any need to worry because this anti-stoke conspiracy idea isn't held by any other players or managers so that's a positive for us rather than just have the 56th thread in 3 days about "Ryan hasn't been picked for England". the OP raises a valid point and it's been completely missed by those who just want to rant about Ryan not being chosen.just seems a shame to waste what could have been a good thread by hijacking it and turning it something completely different
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2014 16:31:00 GMT
It simply isn't that much of a "glaring omission" to anyone outside of Stoke-on-Trent. That isn't true as JSU on Twitter painfully showed!
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Post by partickpotter on May 15, 2014 16:39:44 GMT
Are you on "threadwatch" this afternoon - making sure threads stay true to the original post? Good luck - it's a tough job! no not at all i just think that people seem to think it's bad news for us if our players don't get picked.all i'm trying to say is that we don't have any need to worry because this anti-stoke conspiracy idea isn't held by any other players or managers so that's a positive for us rather than just have the 56th thread in 3 days about "Ryan hasn't been picked for England". the OP raises a valid point and it's been completely missed by those who just want to rant about Ryan not being chosen.just seems a shame to waste what could have been a good thread by hijacking it and turning it something completely different You are completely correct in what you say - but it's the unwritten law of the Oatcake message board that all threads, no matter how they start, must end up in a bitch fest of a handful of topics like the merits (or not) of TP, how the FA have it in for Stoke and such like. On this occasion, I plead guilty!
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Post by countofmontecristo on May 15, 2014 17:16:29 GMT
If the question is.. ...is Ryan good enough for England ? Then my answer would be. ....I'm not sure. If the question is.. .... is Ryan as good as Chris Smalling? Then my answer would be.. ....Are you fucking serious?! I think that's the issue some people struggle with. and no Stoke fan would disagree with that but that isn't what the OP is saying is it? he's not saying that Ryan should be alled up, he is saying that our players being overlooked backs up this anti-stoke idea and that's why other players may not want to come here....the fact is that no-one else in football thinks that anyway so these anti-stoke feelings we talk about won't have any effect on them because they don't even know they exist...no-one does outside of the Britannia stadium. Fair enough Mick - I was contributing to the thread as it progressed rather than addressing the OP. PS...... I was going to ask if I was the only one who thought Caulker was as bad as Ryan (but for longer!) against Zlatan...... but I daren't now
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Post by cmc89 on May 15, 2014 17:30:09 GMT
and no Stoke fan would disagree with that but that isn't what the OP is saying is it? he's not saying that Ryan should be alled up, he is saying that our players being overlooked backs up this anti-stoke idea and that's why other players may not want to come here....the fact is that no-one else in football thinks that anyway so these anti-stoke feelings we talk about won't have any effect on them because they don't even know they exist...no-one does outside of the Britannia stadium. Fair enough Mick - I was contributing to the thread as it progressed rather than addressing the OP. PS...... I was going to ask if I was the only one who thought Caulker was as bad as Ryan (but for longer!) against Zlatan...... but I daren't now I'll get slagged off for it on here but in my opinion, ryan got torn a new arsehole that day. Not necessarily his fault but he stood out more than caulker (as he should have been fresher).
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Post by countofmontecristo on May 15, 2014 17:38:05 GMT
Fair enough Mick - I was contributing to the thread as it progressed rather than addressing the OP. PS...... I was going to ask if I was the only one who thought Caulker was as bad as Ryan (but for longer!) against Zlatan...... but I daren't now I'll get slagged off for it on here but in my opinion, ryan got torn a new arsehole that day. Not necessarily his fault but he stood out more than caulker (as he should have been fresher). Not much in it for me mate...... Caulker had 70 mins to get a grip and didn't. Ryan was caught cold and to be judged on 20 minutes is harsh for anybody in any circumstances. Better stay on topic though
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Post by slogger on May 15, 2014 18:08:47 GMT
I personally think England are going have a shocking World Cup and wot we have to go after it . But if wot still is England manager and ever does come to the Brit I hope the stoke fans give him shit for 90 mins
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Post by harryburrows on May 15, 2014 18:14:48 GMT
Just like, Jimmy Greenhoff and John Ritchie, never played for England, probably the best players to never play for England. Strangely enough Mike Pejic did once he left Stoke and went to Everton, history repeating itself. England will never win anything until a manager with balls is allowed to manage the team, but that wont happen whilst the idiots who run the FA are in charge. We have missed out on great managers, Clough, sacking Venables after a brilliant Euro 96 campaign, sacking Hoddle because he said something stupid, (who doesn't)and Redknapp a great man manager. Pro footballers don't need coaching they need a man manager who will believe in them and get the best out of them, and Redknapp was that man Same story different era. Ryan Shawcross should without doubt be in the 23. Captained his team for a number of seasons in The Premier League, and 2 appearances in Wembley and during the European competition, but still doesn't make the grade above Smalling, shocking, Hodgson twat, another Yes Man. Shame because Hodgson is intelligent but driven by the press which makes it all the worse as he is intelligent[/quote not sure there was the same big club bias in the 60/70s most of the top flight teams had a small group of great players . Big John probably IMO wasnt quite England class
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 20:58:54 GMT
I personally think England are going have a shocking World Cup and wot we have to go after it . But if wot still is England manager and ever does come to the Brit I hope the stoke fans give him shit for 90 mins when woy is sacked [prob after we fail to get out of the group stages] he will prob walk into a new job at whichever prem club has just sacked their manager[im thinking west brom after about 6 games]and he will get from me even more venom from me infact i will be dissapointed if i dont vent a spleen, best get my bed booked at the hospital!!!!! but my op was regarding his bias towards the big6 and southampton? totaly ignoring everyone else. how many english players are actually playing in the prem? prob less than 30 so not to take a look at all of them is a disgrace. i have never felt so indiffrent to an england world cup squad and its all woys fault. he was wank at liverpool and hes even wanker now!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 21:09:01 GMT
I personally think England are going have a shocking World Cup and wot we have to go after it . But if wot still is England manager and ever does come to the Brit I hope the stoke fans give him shit for 90 mins Wot?.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 15, 2014 21:11:52 GMT
It simply isn't that much of a "glaring omission" to anyone outside of Stoke-on-Trent. That isn't true as JSU on Twitter painfully showed! What's that?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 15, 2014 21:37:43 GMT
Hodgson is just another manager who aims to keep the f.a and the media happy! Its a joke. How does not picking Ryan achieve that?
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Post by stokiet90 on May 15, 2014 22:01:21 GMT
Hodgson is just another manager who aims to keep the f.a and the media happy! Its a joke. How does not picking Ryan achieve that? so are u happy for the likes of smalling and jones be picked? U think ryan played for man u and them pair played for stoke that it would be shawcross left at home and not them? Just think he tries to pick what he feels the media want him to pick, like players from the more popular teams.
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Post by prem4stoke on May 15, 2014 22:23:34 GMT
If the question is.. ...is Ryan good enough for England ? Then my answer would be. ....I'm not sure. If the question is.. .... is Ryan as good as Chris Smalling? Then my answer would be.. ....Are you fucking serious?! I think that's the issue some people struggle with. and no Stoke fan would disagree with that but that isn't what the OP is saying is it? he's not saying that Ryan should be alled up, he is saying that our players being overlooked backs up this anti-stoke idea and that's why other players may not want to come here....the fact is that no-one else in football thinks that anyway so these anti-stoke feelings we talk about won't have any effect on them because they don't even know they exist...no-one does outside of the Britannia stadium. I think you have answered your own question here really, not many people outside Stoke actually watch us so how the hell could they possibly see how good our players are. Last on MOTD nearly every week, fewest viewings on SKY and BT. Also as far as I know not one match watched by the England crew.
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Post by partickpotter on May 15, 2014 22:43:22 GMT
I personally think England are going have a shocking World Cup and wot we have to go after it . But if wot still is England manager and ever does come to the Brit I hope the stoke fans give him shit for 90 mins Wot?. Wor Woy
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Post by JoeinOz on May 16, 2014 4:29:34 GMT
I personally think England are going have a shocking World Cup and wot we have to go after it . But if wot still is England manager and ever does come to the Brit I hope the stoke fans give him shit for 90 mins Roy would probably be bewildered at what he'd done to merit such vicious vitriol
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 16, 2014 6:31:00 GMT
How does not picking Ryan achieve that? so are u happy for the likes of smalling and jones be picked? U think ryan played for man u and them pair played for stoke that it would be shawcross left at home and not them? Just think he tries to pick what he feels the media want him to pick, like players from the more popular teams. I asked you why you came to the conclusion that by not picking Ryan Shawcross for an England squad, Hodgson is keeping the media and FA happy. Instead of answering that you tell me that I am happy he did pick two players who I never mentioned. As far as picking players who play for the top clubs is concerned, the general rule of thumb here is that they usually have the better players. Its not magic.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 16, 2014 7:01:17 GMT
The telling thing for me is that at possibly the worst time for centre halves in English football history, Hodgson in the past 12 months hasn't sent one person to look at Shawcross. Not one. Now I accept that Woy himself can't come without the necessary surgery to remove him from the anus of Southampton football club but to not take a look? Not have a dossier on all available options? Seems to me that under the current management our club is a bit of black hole for the prospects of any young player harbouring England aspirations. I'm not sure how you can draw any other conclusion.
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Post by geoff321 on May 16, 2014 7:14:29 GMT
The problem here, at least as I see it, is about the reduction in the number of England players the national manager has to choose from.
In recent times most England managers have selected players who were not regulars in their own club side, the latest example is Smalling.
The argument then becomes, is Smalling who has only played in a limited number of games for his club, a better choice than Shawcross, who has been a regular in a pretty impressive Stoke side.
The choice for the national manager is a difficult one, because the underlying problem is that he has too few English players to select from.
Has he overlooked Shawcross because of an anti Stoke bias, too please the media or his bosses at the F.A., certainly not in my view, he is simply trying to deal with the problem that there are too many overseas players in the PL.
RH was not a popular choice as England manager, but he has managed in a number of countries, at club and international level,and has done pretty well, I just think the job is probably the most difficult in football.
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Post by stokiet90 on May 16, 2014 11:33:12 GMT
so are u happy for the likes of smalling and jones be picked? U think ryan played for man u and them pair played for stoke that it would be shawcross left at home and not them? Just think he tries to pick what he feels the media want him to pick, like players from the more popular teams. I asked you why you came to the conclusion that by not picking Ryan Shawcross for an England squad, Hodgson is keeping the media and FA happy. Instead of answering that you tell me that I am happy he did pick two players who I never mentioned. As far as picking players who play for the top clubs is concerned, the general rule of thumb here is that they usually have the better players. Its not magic. ok sorry mr hodgson.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 16, 2014 11:52:12 GMT
It simply isn't that much of a "glaring omission" to anyone outside of Stoke-on-Trent. That isn't true as JSU on Twitter painfully showed! I might be being thick here, but what happened on Twitter?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 16, 2014 12:57:16 GMT
I asked you why you came to the conclusion that by not picking Ryan Shawcross for an England squad, Hodgson is keeping the media and FA happy. Instead of answering that you tell me that I am happy he did pick two players who I never mentioned. As far as picking players who play for the top clubs is concerned, the general rule of thumb here is that they usually have the better players. Its not magic. ok sorry mr hodgson. Don't mention it. It is always a pleasure to discover I wasted my time asking for clarification to a point that never existed in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 13:04:40 GMT
I asked you why you came to the conclusion that by not picking Ryan Shawcross for an England squad, Hodgson is keeping the media and FA happy. Instead of answering that you tell me that I am happy he did pick two players who I never mentioned. As far as picking players who play for the top clubs is concerned, the general rule of thumb here is that they usually have the better players. Its not magic. ok sorry mr hodgson. to be fair mate he's absolutely spot on...you claimed something and all Mark did was ask what that claim was based on, then you went off on some other completely different tangent. your response here and the fact you're trying to be smart rather than actually his question sums it all up really
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 16, 2014 13:11:14 GMT
That isn't true as JSU on Twitter painfully showed! What's that? He just kept retweeting non-Stoke fans wondering why Shawcross wasn't picked.
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Post by stokiet90 on May 16, 2014 13:44:09 GMT
to be fair mate he's absolutely spot on...you claimed something and all Mark did was ask what that claim was based on, then you went off on some other completely different tangent. your response here and the fact you're trying to be smart rather than actually his question sums it all up really I know he's right! Said ok sorry mr hodgson in a joking kind of way or is that not aloud on here? I could of maybe put my point across in a better way. Sorry for any inconveniance.
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Post by daibando on May 16, 2014 21:49:56 GMT
woy should have had the decency to actually watch ryan play, instead he goes to southhampton he must be getting a bj off the soton chairwoman given the amount of times he has been there. like I said in my op it could have a negative effect on scfc for no fault of our own. the only way it could have a negative effect is if players thought "Well look at those Stoke players that deserve a call up but aren't getting picked, must be because of their name and reputation so i won't go there" but that isn't the reality whether WE think it is or not. if you ask neutrals out there to name a Stoke player that should definitely get a call up then most would say no-one! i.e. NO-ONE else apart from us actually thinks that our players not getting picked is down to who we are anyway, they think they don't get picked because the vast majority of people just don't see any of our players as being good enough. it really is that simple. As a neutral I agree with that. I would rather take Curtis Davies than Shawcross
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Post by Olgrligm on May 16, 2014 21:53:33 GMT
the only way it could have a negative effect is if players thought "Well look at those Stoke players that deserve a call up but aren't getting picked, must be because of their name and reputation so i won't go there" but that isn't the reality whether WE think it is or not. if you ask neutrals out there to name a Stoke player that should definitely get a call up then most would say no-one! i.e. NO-ONE else apart from us actually thinks that our players not getting picked is down to who we are anyway, they think they don't get picked because the vast majority of people just don't see any of our players as being good enough. it really is that simple. As a neutral I agree with that. I would rather take Curtis Davies than Shawcross Based on...
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