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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:08:51 GMT
Assaidi is a special player ....he's already proved that. He has oodles of skill and pace that can win a game on it's own.This is why the wages they are asking for are what they are. There is no doubt in my mind that Assaidi is much better than Redmond and I have little doubt that Sparky does too , hence the prolonged negotiation .i also think that if he can stay injury free he will get better. Redmond is quick and skillful but the accuracy of his final ball is poor....very poor . I'm sure that Sparky will hang on for as long as he can to get Assaidi. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. I like Assaidi - but I think that's quite a generous assessment of him, mumf. If he did sign, would he get into your starting XI for the first game of the season? Would you sign him , or wait to see if the likes of Bojan is happy to play a similar role ?
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 8:11:07 GMT
Let him stay at Liverpool I say! Enough is enough! £45k a week!!! Ridiculous!!! Wasn't Kenwyn jones on a similar amount but never achieved the accolades that Assaidi has whilst here ? I wasn't happy about that ether. Think about what your saying, you think that this bloke deserves the same wages as shawcross and begovic. This is nuts, we need to move immediately to someone with a more wage demand, or he can drop his demands to 30k and not a penny more. Both are fine by me personally I rate Redmond higher than this lad, but that's just my opinion
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2014 8:12:16 GMT
Let him stay at Liverpool I say! Enough is enough! £45k a week!!! Ridiculous!!! Wasn't Kenwyn jones on a similar amount but never achieved the accolades that Assaidi has whilst here ? Kenwyne wasn't brought in to be a back up player, and at the time he was a very good purchase as well! KJ's first season at Stoke was a very good one and I never understood why we brought Crouchy in. When that happened KJ's confidence got a knock and only in short spells could we see the player he was when he came. He was much needed though when he came, but as I said Assaidi is no more than a back up player and we shouldn't splash that much out on him neither in fee or wages!
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 8:12:26 GMT
Assaidi is a special player ....he's already proved that. He has oodles of skill and pace that can win a game on it's own.This is why the wages they are asking for are what they are. There is no doubt in my mind that Assaidi is much better than Redmond and I have little doubt that Sparky does too , hence the prolonged negotiation .i also think that if he can stay injury free he will get better. Redmond is quick and skillful but the accuracy of his final ball is poor....very poor . I'm sure that Sparky will hang on for as long as he can to get Assaidi. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. Assaidi is very skilful, has a cracking shot on him and is pretty quick off the mark, he's also one footed, lightweight, inconsistent and very predictable (if any opponent had done their research they'd know that he cuts inside every time) I'd have him here as a squad player but I don't think he's guaranteed to be starting every week and we're being robbed if we end up paying £7m for him. We should leave it right until the last minute of the window when Liverpool's asking price will drop (there is no way he's going to feature for them this season and they'll want him off the wage bill) so we can pay him a bigger signing on fee and a sensible wage. If he thinks he can do better then we should move on, I don't see other clubs queueing up to sign him and it's his loss not ours. agree with all of that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:16:00 GMT
Wasn't Kenwyn jones on a similar amount but never achieved the accolades that Assaidi has whilst here ? I wasn't happy about that ether. Think about what your saying, you think that this bloke deserves the same wages as shawcross and begovic. This is nuts, we need to move immediately to someone with a more wage demand, or he can drop his demands to 30k and not a penny more. Both are fine by me personally I rate Redmond higher than this lad, but that's just my opinion I have thought about it a lot and I am not happy or content with his wage demands which I am sure are the same things that are bothering Sparky too. I am torn between his undeniable ability and his greed. That said , I'm certain that if we don't give in then someone else will be prepared to pay it. We also have to consider his injuries at times...
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2014 8:16:55 GMT
Sentinel claim he's asking for 45k-a-week! Laughable. What a mug. Redmond it is then How do you know Redmond won't want more than that ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2014 8:18:53 GMT
I like Assaidi - but I think that's quite a generous assessment of him, mumf. If he did sign, would he get into your starting XI for the first game of the season? Would you sign him , or wait to see if the likes of Bojan is happy to play a similar role ? I'm a bit torn on Assaidi. I can see the benefits of bringing in someone who knows the club and the set-up. And he has got talent. But I'm not convinced he's any better than Redmond, who's 5 yrs younger. Suppose it'd depend on what Norwich will let him go for and whether Redmond's wage demands are more reasonable. But without thinking about accommodating Bojan somewhere, you'd have thought Odemwingie was still No.1 in the pecking order for that right-sided place? I don't think Assaidi started any game ahead of Wingie, did he? So is there any reason to think Hughes' thinking has changed over the summer? And that's before he solves where he's going to give Bojan his share of minutes. It's a tricky one. But if he really is asking for stupid money, he's making the decision for us. But if we buy any winger of a certain standard (Redmond or someone), he's going to have the same problems sharing the minutes out amongst players who'll expect to start.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2014 8:19:16 GMT
Assaidi is a special player ....he's already proved that. He has oodles of skill and pace that can win a game on it's own.This is why the wages they are asking for are what they are. There is no doubt in my mind that Assaidi is much better than Redmond and I have little doubt that Sparky does too , hence the prolonged negotiation .i also think that if he can stay injury free he will get better. Redmond is quick and skillful but the accuracy of his final ball is poor....very poor . I'm sure that Sparky will hang on for as long as he can to get Assaidi. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. Assaidi is very skilful, has a cracking shot on him and is pretty quick off the mark, he's also one footed, lightweight, inconsistent and very predictable (if any opponent had done their research they'd know that he cuts inside every time) I'd have him here as a squad player but I don't think he's guaranteed to be starting every week and we're being robbed if we end up paying £7m for him. We should leave it right until the last minute of the window when Liverpool's asking price will drop (there is no way he's going to feature for them this season and they'll want him off the wage bill) so we can pay him a bigger signing on fee and a sensible wage. If he thinks he can do better then we should move on, I don't see other clubs queueing up to sign him and it's his loss not ours. Lpool have also brought in that Croatian winger and are now linked with Shaqiri at Bayern Munich so I don't think Assaidi will kick a ball for them this season! Very stupid position to put himself in it looks from outside at least!
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 8:20:33 GMT
I wasn't happy about that ether. Think about what your saying, you think that this bloke deserves the same wages as shawcross and begovic. This is nuts, we need to move immediately to someone with a more wage demand, or he can drop his demands to 30k and not a penny more. Both are fine by me personally I rate Redmond higher than this lad, but that's just my opinion I have thought about it a lot and I am not happy or content with his wage demands which I am sure are the same things that are bothering Sparky too. I am torn between his undeniable ability and his greed. That said , I'm certain that if we don't give in then someone else will be prepared to pay it. We also have to consider his injuries at times... Personally I think 30k's about as good as it gets and I can't see a big queue of clubs behind us. But if somone did want to pay the 45k mentioned, that's fine let them be played for mugs not us. There's plenty more players of a similar type to him out there, and the same can't be said for the likes of arnie ( anyone know how much he's on btw) bego and shawcross
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 8:21:50 GMT
What a mug. Redmond it is then How do you know Redmond won't want more than that ? I don't but if he did we'd have to move on again. Until we agree a fee with Norwich we can't find out what he wants
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2014 8:24:45 GMT
How do you know Redmond won't want more than that ? I don't but if he did we'd have to move on again. Until we agree a fee with Norwich we can't find out what he wants I know where you are coming from mate but I think you are being a bit naive The going rate is the going rate ( extortionate I know ) and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 8:28:32 GMT
I don't but if he did we'd have to move on again. Until we agree a fee with Norwich we can't find out what he wants I know where you are coming from mate but I think you are being a bit naive The going rate is the going rate ( extortionate I know ) and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys Absolutely I agree with the 'going rate' idea, I see it as nearer 30k than the 45k Ozzie is asking for. And by the sounds of it so does Hughes
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Post by mightyone on Jul 26, 2014 8:37:48 GMT
Wasn't Kenwyn jones on a similar amount but never achieved the accolades that Assaidi has whilst here ? I wasn't happy about that ether. Think about what your saying, you think that this bloke deserves the same wages as shawcross and begovic. This is nuts, we need to move immediately to someone with a more wage demand, or he can drop his demands to 30k and not a penny more. Both are fine by me personally I rate Redmond higher than this lad, but that's just my opinion Totally agree with you on this my friend. I posted a similar article earlier on this and for me Redmond has potential to become a very good player and should the situation ever arise the we were to sell him surely a far more saleable asset. MR Coates has been stressing this point since Hughes took over if iam not mistaken .
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 8:52:32 GMT
I wasn't happy about that ether. Think about what your saying, you think that this bloke deserves the same wages as shawcross and begovic. This is nuts, we need to move immediately to someone with a more wage demand, or he can drop his demands to 30k and not a penny more. Both are fine by me personally I rate Redmond higher than this lad, but that's just my opinion Totally agree with you on this my friend. I posted a similar article earlier on this and for me Redmond has potential to become a very good player and should the situation ever arise the we were to sell him surely a far more saleable asset. MR Coates has been stressing this point since Hughes took over if iam not mistaken . It's not just the fact that he could be/is a very good player. Look at it this way if we signed him now, in 3yrs he would be - 23 - English - playing regular first team premier league football ( Odem would be 36 and long gone) Any players who meet those criteria tend to go for silly money, far beyond the 6m Norwich want now. Now if he lives up to his big potential we could be looking at a 20-25m player. Get him signed sparky
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 26, 2014 8:59:02 GMT
£45,000 is cheap as chips! I thought the days of us been tight were over. When you consider CJ is on £65,000 a week and what he is doing I think we should be snapping this guy up Jerome on 65k a week? Where did you get that nugget from? He made it up - that's where he got it from! Even the transfer policy prior to Hughes' arrival would not have had Jerome as the highest paid player at the club.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 9:01:36 GMT
Jerome on 65k a week? Where did you get that nugget from? He made it up - that's where he got it from! Even the transfer policy prior to Hughes' arrival would not have had Jerome as the highest paid player at the club. Yeh it's nowhere near the 100k TP put Walters on
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 26, 2014 9:09:25 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2014 9:13:01 GMT
Wtf is happening to football mate Despair is not the word
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2014 9:19:14 GMT
He only wants what other Stoke players are getting!
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Post by pyrus on Jul 26, 2014 9:21:18 GMT
Wtf is happening to football mate Despair is not the word I am guessing it's the agents that have driven this, spurred on by all the new money in the game from the latest media deal. Last year he'd be looking for a move to a big club and maybe half that amount. But he's got a 'Mr 10%' in the background doing the deal and pumping up the price. ...thinking about it, is there a course or something you can do to become a football agent? The wages sound good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 10:14:24 GMT
He only wants what other Stoke players are getting! He wants what the top Stoke players are getting, I'm not convinced he'd be a top Stoke player though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 10:23:00 GMT
Forty five thousand pounds every single week?
Absolutely fucking not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2014 10:25:57 GMT
He's a bench player. He shouldn't be on more than 25k per week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 10:30:11 GMT
He scored a few important and decent goals but apart from that i'm hard pressed to remember what he did. I'm happy for him to be here but not at some of the money that's been quoted.
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Post by trigger on Jul 26, 2014 11:53:21 GMT
Its a no brainer really, get the lad signed even if it costs 45k per week. He puts bums on seats and scores goals that will never be forgotten. He's obviously well liked at the club and comes across as a very polite model professional. Recall an interview from last season when the team were having their Xmas get together and he wished them all well and went home. Players and their agents aren't stupid they know the riches are out there to be had, recall Ireland earning 60k at Villa and obviously we eventually got him signed up.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 26, 2014 11:56:16 GMT
I'd do 30k basic with lots of incentives based on appearances.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jul 26, 2014 12:06:52 GMT
I'd do 30k basic with lots of incentives based on appearances. He is supposedly on £30k at Liverpool and was asking circa £55k which won't happen. Offering £35k which is £10k less than our limit is about right with a review in place 12months down the line IF he performs. any more than that he can do one.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 12:11:39 GMT
I just can't shake the feeling that the big thing Assaidi lacks is consistency.
On his day he's world class but if he only has a "day" every four or five games then we are better off looking elsewhere.
If his wage demands are true then I wouldn't go near him.
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2014 12:42:57 GMT
I just can't shake the feeling that the big thing Assaidi lacks is consistency. On his day he's world class but if he only has a "day" every four or five games then we are better off looking elsewhere. If his wage demands are true then I wouldn't go near him. If players had " days " more frequent than that foxy Stoke City would be off the radar mate
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Post by trigger on Jul 26, 2014 12:49:44 GMT
I don't think its a case of inconsistency, as on his days he's spectacular. Opposing teams will attempt to nulify his threat and that's when the likes of Arnie get a little more space/freedom on the pitch. Its a fantastic proposition for Hughes, especially at home with teams sitting back.
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