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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 8:33:51 GMT
You gotta love the Jovo's, they don't believe in birthday parties either, because someone went nuts at a birthday celebration in the Bible apparently, so by definition they're all evil. My daughter is friends with the daughter of a Jovo at school and every birthday party that comes up this poor girl has to miss out while all her friends have fun then no doubt talk about how great it was at school the next day. I really hope she grows up to hate her parents and spells out their idiocy for them in full one day. Plus, this 144k thing. You'd think they'd stop knocking on doors wouldn't you Could it possibly be about getting more money I have to admit, I do have some respect for the Jovos as at least they stick to what they believe to be accurate translations of the Bible, rather than flip flopping around or cherry picking the parts of the Bible they like and disregarding the bits they don't. I haven't studied Jovos in any great depth but I'd willingly stake a few bob on them doing precisely that, Richie. I doubt whether there are many religious believers (barring those who have opted out of mainstream society such as monks, nuns, ascetics, saddhus etc) who don't cherry pick parts of their special texts and ignore the ones that make modern life a bit awkward. But they may be less prone to it than others, I don't know. They certainly don't do Christmas and Easter as they believe they are christian adoptions of pre-existing pagan festivals, which they are, so fair play to them for that. Nor do they do military service. But the fact that the Watch Tower Society is one of the richest corporations in NY would suggest the bit about "giving everything away to follow me" (Jesus says this in Luke) has, at the very least, been got around with a nice interpretation of meaning, which every religion does with awkward parts of their special texts. I suspect cherry-picking is alive and well in the Jovos too.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 9, 2014 8:55:50 GMT
At a rough guess there must be atleast 100 different branches of religion around the world. Assuming one of them is telling the truth then all the others are a load of shit. So by being religious you have a 99% chance of being wrong. (And how pissed off would God be with you when he finds out you've spent your life devoted to some other fucker!)
If you think all this God shit is a load of bollocks you have a 50% chance of being right.
I know which odds I prefer.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 9, 2014 9:07:51 GMT
Well Ive just completed about 45 minutes of reading and I can come to the conclusion that its aloadofoldcockrot
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 9:12:22 GMT
i just don't buy the whole god thing myself
how could any all loving, benevolent and merciful god allow the creation of Karen Brady?
case closed for me!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 13:25:17 GMT
I have to admit, I do have some respect for the Jovos as at least they stick to what they believe to be accurate translations of the Bible, rather than flip flopping around or cherry picking the parts of the Bible they like and disregarding the bits they don't. I haven't studied Jovos in any great depth but I'd willingly stake a few bob on them doing precisely that, Richie. I doubt whether there are many religious believers (barring those who have opted out of mainstream society such as monks, nuns, ascetics, saddhus etc) who don't cherry pick parts of their special texts and ignore the ones that make modern life a bit awkward. But they may be less prone to it than others, I don't know. They certainly don't do Christmas and Easter as they believe they are christian adoptions of pre-existing pagan festivals, which they are, so fair play to them for that. Nor do they do military service. But the fact that the Watch Tower Society is one of the richest corporations in NY would suggest the bit about "giving everything away to follow me" (Jesus says this in Luke) has, at the very least, been got around with a nice interpretation of meaning, which every religion does with awkward parts of their special texts. I suspect cherry-picking is alive and well in the Jovos too. I actually think its good that people do select certain parts to adopt and certain parts to ignore as it is all part of their own personal connection with their personal God and develop a set of beliefs and morals that suit them. What they chose to do with their money is again up to them. Certainly not offended by anybody who says what they believe in, as I believe in a number of things that others wouldnt agree with either. I've a very good Romanian friend who is religious and we have quite a number of very good conversations about our faiths and beliefs. But, she knows that her God is different to everybody elses, doesn't think I'm wrong for not believing in the things that she does, doesn't tell me what I should and should not believe. In fact, we do share quite a number of 'beliefs' but just with different terminology. I really enjoy those discussions because its just about sharing our own thoughts and what works for us. I dream - she prays; I look to the sun and the stars - she looks to the heavens. I have my spirit to protect me - she has her angels and Saints to protect her. She has never once told me 'The Bible says...' and even said that she rejects such comments and thinks that people hide behind that comment because they don't really believe in it as such, just kind take it on board because its in there. She uses the Bible as a series of teachings (the same way as she treats every experience in life too) and not as some historical, factual record. How refreshing it is though to be able to have a real discussion just about people's own beliefs, without having somebody else telling you that it is absurd or ludicrous or trying to tell each other that they can't possibly have certain values because something says one thing and somebody else says another thing. How refreshing it is to have somebody else so confident in their own beliefs that they aren't offended or upset about any conflicting views. It's just a pity that there's plenty on both sides of the fence (but there always are in any argument) dont even want to meet in the middle for a chat. In fact, its a pity that there's a fence there in the first place as it is just another man made barrier put up for society to divide itself over, which is quite ironic given that the biggest argument comes down to how we got here anyway!
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 9, 2014 14:47:42 GMT
I haven't studied Jovos in any great depth but I'd willingly stake a few bob on them doing precisely that, Richie. I doubt whether there are many religious believers (barring those who have opted out of mainstream society such as monks, nuns, ascetics, saddhus etc) who don't cherry pick parts of their special texts and ignore the ones that make modern life a bit awkward. But they may be less prone to it than others, I don't know. They certainly don't do Christmas and Easter as they believe they are christian adoptions of pre-existing pagan festivals, which they are, so fair play to them for that. Nor do they do military service. But the fact that the Watch Tower Society is one of the richest corporations in NY would suggest the bit about "giving everything away to follow me" (Jesus says this in Luke) has, at the very least, been got around with a nice interpretation of meaning, which every religion does with awkward parts of their special texts. I suspect cherry-picking is alive and well in the Jovos too. I actually think its good that people do select certain parts to adopt and certain parts to ignore as it is all part of their own personal connection with their personal God and develop a set of beliefs and morals that suit them. What they chose to do with their money is again up to them. Certainly not offended by anybody who says what they believe in, as I believe in a number of things that others wouldnt agree with either. I've a very good Romanian friend who is religious and we have quite a number of very good conversations about our faiths and beliefs. But, she knows that her God is different to everybody elses, doesn't think I'm wrong for not believing in the things that she does, doesn't tell me what I should and should not believe. In fact, we do share quite a number of 'beliefs' but just with different terminology. I really enjoy those discussions because its just about sharing our own thoughts and what works for us. I dream - she prays; I look to the sun and the stars - she looks to the heavens. I have my spirit to protect me - she has her angels and Saints to protect her. She has never once told me 'The Bible says...' and even said that she rejects such comments and thinks that people hide behind that comment because they don't really believe in it as such, just kind take it on board because its in there. She uses the Bible as a series of teachings (the same way as she treats every experience in life too) and not as some historical, factual record. How refreshing it is though to be able to have a real discussion just about people's own beliefs, without having somebody else telling you that it is absurd or ludicrous or trying to tell each other that they can't possibly have certain values because something says one thing and somebody else says another thing. How refreshing it is to have somebody else so confident in their own beliefs that they aren't offended or upset about any conflicting views. It's just a pity that there's plenty on both sides of the fence (but there always are in any argument) dont even want to meet in the middle for a chat. In fact, its a pity that there's a fence there in the first place as it is just another man made barrier put up for society to divide itself over, which is quite ironic given that the biggest argument comes down to how we got here anyway! Has she not taken your job yet?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 14:57:54 GMT
I actually think its good that people do select certain parts to adopt and certain parts to ignore as it is all part of their own personal connection with their personal God and develop a set of beliefs and morals that suit them. What they chose to do with their money is again up to them. Certainly not offended by anybody who says what they believe in, as I believe in a number of things that others wouldnt agree with either. I've a very good Romanian friend who is religious and we have quite a number of very good conversations about our faiths and beliefs. But, she knows that her God is different to everybody elses, doesn't think I'm wrong for not believing in the things that she does, doesn't tell me what I should and should not believe. In fact, we do share quite a number of 'beliefs' but just with different terminology. I really enjoy those discussions because its just about sharing our own thoughts and what works for us. I dream - she prays; I look to the sun and the stars - she looks to the heavens. I have my spirit to protect me - she has her angels and Saints to protect her. She has never once told me 'The Bible says...' and even said that she rejects such comments and thinks that people hide behind that comment because they don't really believe in it as such, just kind take it on board because its in there. She uses the Bible as a series of teachings (the same way as she treats every experience in life too) and not as some historical, factual record. How refreshing it is though to be able to have a real discussion just about people's own beliefs, without having somebody else telling you that it is absurd or ludicrous or trying to tell each other that they can't possibly have certain values because something says one thing and somebody else says another thing. How refreshing it is to have somebody else so confident in their own beliefs that they aren't offended or upset about any conflicting views. It's just a pity that there's plenty on both sides of the fence (but there always are in any argument) dont even want to meet in the middle for a chat. In fact, its a pity that there's a fence there in the first place as it is just another man made barrier put up for society to divide itself over, which is quite ironic given that the biggest argument comes down to how we got here anyway! Has she not taken your job yet? I actually got to know her through the fact that she's my client!
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 9, 2014 15:03:42 GMT
Has she not taken your job yet? I actually got to know her through the fact that she's my client! Stang, is it love,
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 15:19:35 GMT
I actually got to know her through the fact that she's my client! Stang, is it love, Nooo no no no noo no no of course not no
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Post by jonah77 on May 10, 2014 14:43:35 GMT
At a rough guess there must be atleast 100 different branches of religion around the world. Assuming one of them is telling the truth then all the others are a load of shit. So by being religious you have a 99% chance of being wrong. (And how pissed off would God be with you when he finds out you've spent your life devoted to some other fucker!) If you think all this God shit is a load of bollocks you have a 50% chance of being right. I know which odds I prefer. One thing that's always made me think is that if Christians say you can only get into heaven if you allow Jesus Christ into your life,what happened to all the people that lived before Jesus was born?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 10, 2014 15:31:41 GMT
I have more than enough God botherers from the Wife's side of the family,when things go well, it is down to God,God had a hand in it. But when something horrible happens,disasters etc.its never Gods fault it is mans fault.
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Post by Miles Offside on May 10, 2014 17:05:17 GMT
I haven't studied Jovos in any great depth but I'd willingly stake a few bob on them doing precisely that, Richie. I doubt whether there are many religious believers (barring those who have opted out of mainstream society such as monks, nuns, ascetics, saddhus etc) who don't cherry pick parts of their special texts and ignore the ones that make modern life a bit awkward. But they may be less prone to it than others, I don't know. They certainly don't do Christmas and Easter as they believe they are christian adoptions of pre-existing pagan festivals, which they are, so fair play to them for that. Nor do they do military service. But the fact that the Watch Tower Society is one of the richest corporations in NY would suggest the bit about "giving everything away to follow me" (Jesus says this in Luke) has, at the very least, been got around with a nice interpretation of meaning, which every religion does with awkward parts of their special texts. I suspect cherry-picking is alive and well in the Jovos too. I actually think its good that people do select certain parts to adopt and certain parts to ignore as it is all part of their own personal connection with their personal God and develop a set of beliefs and morals that suit them. What they chose to do with their money is again up to them. Certainly not offended by anybody who says what they believe in, as I believe in a number of things that others wouldnt agree with either. I've a very good Romanian friend who is religious and we have quite a number of very good conversations about our faiths and beliefs. But, she knows that her God is different to everybody elses, doesn't think I'm wrong for not believing in the things that she does, doesn't tell me what I should and should not believe. In fact, we do share quite a number of 'beliefs' but just with different terminology. I really enjoy those discussions because its just about sharing our own thoughts and what works for us. I dream - she prays; I look to the sun and the stars - she looks to the heavens. I have my spirit to protect me - she has her angels and Saints to protect her. She has never once told me 'The Bible says...' and even said that she rejects such comments and thinks that people hide behind that comment because they don't really believe in it as such, just kind take it on board because its in there. She uses the Bible as a series of teachings (the same way as she treats every experience in life too) and not as some historical, factual record. How refreshing it is though to be able to have a real discussion just about people's own beliefs, without having somebody else telling you that it is absurd or ludicrous or trying to tell each other that they can't possibly have certain values because something says one thing and somebody else says another thing. How refreshing it is to have somebody else so confident in their own beliefs that they aren't offended or upset about any conflicting views. It's just a pity that there's plenty on both sides of the fence (but there always are in any argument) dont even want to meet in the middle for a chat. In fact, its a pity that there's a fence there in the first place as it is just another man made barrier put up for society to divide itself over, which is quite ironic given that the biggest argument comes down to how we got here anyway! It's not just religion, the same goes for politics, mate. How many dyed-in-the-wool supporters of a political party (any of them) would ever admit that their own party could be wrong on anything and any other party right sometimes?
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Post by Nick1984 on May 10, 2014 20:13:08 GMT
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 10, 2014 21:20:08 GMT
I actually think its good that people do select certain parts to adopt and certain parts to ignore as it is all part of their own personal connection with their personal God and develop a set of beliefs and morals that suit them. What they chose to do with their money is again up to them. Certainly not offended by anybody who says what they believe in, as I believe in a number of things that others wouldnt agree with either. I've a very good Romanian friend who is religious and we have quite a number of very good conversations about our faiths and beliefs. But, she knows that her God is different to everybody elses, doesn't think I'm wrong for not believing in the things that she does, doesn't tell me what I should and should not believe. In fact, we do share quite a number of 'beliefs' but just with different terminology. I really enjoy those discussions because its just about sharing our own thoughts and what works for us. I dream - she prays; I look to the sun and the stars - she looks to the heavens. I have my spirit to protect me - she has her angels and Saints to protect her. She has never once told me 'The Bible says...' and even said that she rejects such comments and thinks that people hide behind that comment because they don't really believe in it as such, just kind take it on board because its in there. She uses the Bible as a series of teachings (the same way as she treats every experience in life too) and not as some historical, factual record. How refreshing it is though to be able to have a real discussion just about people's own beliefs, without having somebody else telling you that it is absurd or ludicrous or trying to tell each other that they can't possibly have certain values because something says one thing and somebody else says another thing. How refreshing it is to have somebody else so confident in their own beliefs that they aren't offended or upset about any conflicting views. It's just a pity that there's plenty on both sides of the fence (but there always are in any argument) dont even want to meet in the middle for a chat. In fact, its a pity that there's a fence there in the first place as it is just another man made barrier put up for society to divide itself over, which is quite ironic given that the biggest argument comes down to how we got here anyway! It's not just religion, the same goes for politics, mate. How many dyed-in-the-wool supporters of a political party (any of them) would ever admit that their own party could be wrong on anything and any other party right sometimes? You're totally wrong, one is about money and power, the other is about money and power.
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Post by starkiller on May 11, 2014 21:04:36 GMT
One question atheists cannot answer is why the fuck they waste time debating with folk who claim some sky god or other talks to them.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 11, 2014 21:13:08 GMT
One question atheists cannot answer is why the fuck they waste time debating with folk who claim some sky god or other talks to them. It beats thinking that the royal family are lizards, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 12:07:24 GMT
One question atheists cannot answer is why the fuck they waste time debating with folk who claim some sky god or other talks to them. Because some of us like to actually have debates and conversation with people. Some of us have the ability to take people's beliefs for what they are and don't judge them entirely on that basis. Some of us have the open-mindedness to acknowledge the fact that maybe, just maybe, they could actually be right. Life would be very fucking boring and lonely indeed if you didn't bother debating things on the sole basis that you don't agree with something. That ok for you?
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Post by cartman123 on May 13, 2014 11:00:13 GMT
One question atheists cannot answer is why the fuck they waste time debating with folk who claim some sky god or other talks to them. What a sad life you must live.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 13, 2014 12:03:17 GMT
One question atheists cannot answer is why the fuck they waste time debating with folk who claim some sky god or other talks to them. What a sad life you must live. Come on Cartman, play the game; we all prefer it when you post things that most people disagree with.
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Post by starkiller on May 13, 2014 14:17:52 GMT
One question atheists cannot answer is why the fuck they waste time debating with folk who claim some sky god or other talks to them. Because some of us like to actually have debates and conversation with people. Some of us have the ability to take people's beliefs for what they are and don't judge them entirely on that basis. Some of us have the open-mindedness to acknowledge the fact that maybe, just maybe, they could actually be right. Life would be very fucking boring and lonely indeed if you didn't bother debating things on the sole basis that you don't agree with something. That ok for you? I was actually being facetious by using the original question. I clearly didn't use enough of these
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 14:22:45 GMT
Because some of us like to actually have debates and conversation with people. Some of us have the ability to take people's beliefs for what they are and don't judge them entirely on that basis. Some of us have the open-mindedness to acknowledge the fact that maybe, just maybe, they could actually be right. Life would be very fucking boring and lonely indeed if you didn't bother debating things on the sole basis that you don't agree with something. That ok for you? I was actually being facetious by using the original question. I clearly didn't use enough of these It was actually the 11th commandment that thou shall indicate sarcasm and facetiousness with smilies, but that silly bugger Moses had got two equal stone sizes, wrote the first 5 on one, didnt think on to write smaller on the second one so just ended up with 10. He could have redone them, but the crowd was waiting, getting a bit impatient and some of them had trains to catch
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