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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 7:43:37 GMT
Post by PolPotter on Apr 15, 2014 7:43:37 GMT
Were there any Liverpool supporters convicted following their behaviour leading to the crushing and subsequent death of 39 Juventus supporters in 1985?
English football was banned for 5 years from Europe but I don't recall reading about any convictions.
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Post by Davef on Apr 15, 2014 7:45:01 GMT
Have you tried a Google search or reading about it on Wikipedia?
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 7:47:07 GMT
Post by bassmaster on Apr 15, 2014 7:47:07 GMT
Have you tried a Google search or reading about it on Wikipedia? He's tried the internet.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 7:58:50 GMT
Post by jeycov on Apr 15, 2014 7:58:50 GMT
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 7:59:34 GMT
Post by scfc75 on Apr 15, 2014 7:59:34 GMT
Have you tried a Google search or reading about it on Wikipedia? That sounds awfully complicated. Probably best doing what he has done, and post it on here.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 8:18:41 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 15, 2014 8:18:41 GMT
Quite unbelievable that the game got played.
Quite unbelievable that Liverpool didn't simply pull out of the FA Cup some years later mind.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:05:29 GMT
Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2014 9:05:29 GMT
Quite unbelievable that the game got played. Quite unbelievable that Liverpool didn't simply pull out of the FA Cup some years later mind. That game getting played was indeed the strangest thing I ever saw. I even watched it, start to finish.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:08:32 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 15, 2014 9:08:32 GMT
Quite unbelievable that the game got played. Quite unbelievable that Liverpool didn't simply pull out of the FA Cup some years later mind. That game getting played was indeed the strangest thing I ever saw. I even watched it, start to finish. Me too...being of such a tender age it enabled me to stay up way past my bed time.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:16:04 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 15, 2014 9:16:04 GMT
This paragraph from the above report gives details of charges and convictions for Liverpool fans but the whole report is worth reading for the comments on stadium design etc. In the aftermath of Heysel, 25 Liverpool fans were subsequently extradited from the United Kingdom and, after a five-month trial, 14 were found guilty of voluntary manslaughter in April 1989 -- the same month of the Hillsborough disaster -- with each of them serving a year in jail
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:16:19 GMT
Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2014 9:16:19 GMT
That game getting played was indeed the strangest thing I ever saw. I even watched it, start to finish. Me too...being of such a tender age it enabled me to stay up way past my bed time. It is strange how things go sometimes or maybe it is just that times have changed. But I remember on the day of the Hillsborough tragedy telling a friend of mine about what had taken place, a QPR fan I think, and he seemed more preoccupied with teasing from me the final score of the game. He didn't seem able to internalise the idea that this game had actually been postponed.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:18:18 GMT
Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2014 9:18:18 GMT
This paragraph from the above report gives details of charges and convictions for Liverpool fans but the whole report is worth reading for the comments on stadium design etc. In the aftermath of Heysel, 25 Liverpool fans were subsequently extradited from the United Kingdom and, after a five-month trial, 14 were found guilty of voluntary manslaughter in April 1989 -- the same month of the Hillsborough disaster -- with each of them serving a year in jail
That showed'em
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Post by werrington on Apr 15, 2014 9:19:19 GMT
The answer is yes so that fucks up the real reason for this thread
Won't stop the agenda though for many
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 15, 2014 9:22:28 GMT
This paragraph from the above report gives details of charges and convictions for Liverpool fans but the whole report is worth reading for the comments on stadium design etc. In the aftermath of Heysel, 25 Liverpool fans were subsequently extradited from the United Kingdom and, after a five-month trial, 14 were found guilty of voluntary manslaughter in April 1989 -- the same month of the Hillsborough disaster -- with each of them serving a year in jail
That showed'em I agree that a year doesn't seem very long Gods - but it is a year longer than anyone served over Hillsborough where, although manslaughter would not have been a reasonable charge, Criminal negligence and dereliction of duty, certainly would have been reasonable. And were it to happen today under present legislation a charge of corporate manslaughter against the Police would not seem unreasonable given the fact that some police (acting under orders, apparently) were actively trying to stop fans getting onto the pitch to escape the crush.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 9:24:39 GMT
The answer is yes so that fucks up the real reason for this thread Won't stop the agenda though for many and to do it today of all feckin days (although i know that's precisely why it has been done) i bet if you look at all the football forums around the country today, ours will be the only one trying to start a thread to basically have a go and take a pop at Liverpool FC. fucking embarrassment!!!!
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Post by werrington on Apr 15, 2014 9:29:52 GMT
The answer is yes so that fucks up the real reason for this thread Won't stop the agenda though for many and to do it today of all feckin days (although i know that's precisely why it has been done) i bet if you look at all the football forums around the country today, ours will be the only one trying to start a thread to basically have a go and take a pop at Liverpool FC. fucking embarrassment!!!! Let's hope something similar never befalls some on here mate Let's see them saying " move on " etc etc if a serious miscarriage if justice befalls on one of their loved relatives where the authorities lie, cover up evidence and try to pin the blame on them Move on my fucking arse......let's see those bastards before the courts
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 15, 2014 9:30:40 GMT
It’s this underlying suggestion that what happened at Heysel should in some way deprive the bereft of Hillsborough their grief and disqualify them from their anger at the subsequent besmirching of the lost ones and the institutionalised cover up.
Pig ignorant doesn’t do it any justice whatsoever.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:34:06 GMT
Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2014 9:34:06 GMT
That showed'em I agree that a year doesn't seem very long Gods - but it is a year longer than anyone served over Hillsborough where, although manslaughter would not have been a reasonable charge, Criminal negligence and dereliction of duty, certainly would have been reasonable. That is what is coming next though isn't it Lakeside? The "accidental death" verdicts have been quashed, that means someone "dunnit". My understanding of this latest Hillsborough enquiry is that behind all the other rhetoric about "finding the truth" it is about finding someone or more like some organisation to hang out to dry (aka the Police). That in turn will open the door for prosecutions and the lawyers to go after proper (big ££) compensation.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:36:49 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 15, 2014 9:36:49 GMT
I agree that a year doesn't seem very long Gods - but it is a year longer than anyone served over Hillsborough where, although manslaughter would not have been a reasonable charge, Criminal negligence and dereliction of duty, certainly would have been reasonable. That is what is coming next though isn't it Lakeside? The "accidental death" verdicts have been quashed, that means someone "dunnit". My understanding of this latest Hillsborough enquiry is that behind all the other rhetoric about "finding the truth" it is about finding someone or more like some organisation to hang out to dry (aka the Police). That in turn will open the door for prosecutions and the lawyers to go after proper (big ££) compensation. Are you suggesting the primary motive for this quarter of a century campaign has been compensation?
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:42:21 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 15, 2014 9:42:21 GMT
I agree that a year doesn't seem very long Gods - but it is a year longer than anyone served over Hillsborough where, although manslaughter would not have been a reasonable charge, Criminal negligence and dereliction of duty, certainly would have been reasonable. That is what is coming next though isn't it Lakeside? The "accidental death" verdicts have been quashed, that means someone "dunnit". My understanding of this latest Hillsborough enquiry is that behind all the other rhetoric about "finding the truth" it is about finding someone or more like some organisation to hang out to dry (aka the Police). That in turn will open the door for prosecutions and the lawyers to go after proper (big ££) compensation. One of the widows is a neighbour of an Aunt of mine in St Helens. I've never heard her show any interest in compensation but she is still livid about the original inquest returning a totally ridiculous verdict on her husband's death. And in my opinion, she is right to be livid. Judging by her health I doubt if she will live long enough to claim compensation should she be entitled to do so - but I hope for her sake she lives long enough to see a truthful inquest verdict returned on her husband and it would be nice if the senior ranks of the Police (those who are still alive) could be tried for their negligence.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 9:56:55 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 15, 2014 9:56:55 GMT
It’s this underlying suggestion that what happened at Heysel should in some way deprive the bereft of Hillsborough their grief and disqualify them from their anger at the subsequent besmirching of the lost ones and the institutionalised cover up. Pig ignorant doesn’t do it any justice whatsoever. I think it's the fact that Liverpool were very quickly able to carry on playing and watching within a matter of weeks tells it's own story....
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Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2014 10:08:44 GMT
That is what is coming next though isn't it Lakeside? The "accidental death" verdicts have been quashed, that means someone "dunnit". My understanding of this latest Hillsborough enquiry is that behind all the other rhetoric about "finding the truth" it is about finding someone or more like some organisation to hang out to dry (aka the Police). That in turn will open the door for prosecutions and the lawyers to go after proper (big ££) compensation. Are you suggesting the primary motive for this quarter of a century campaign has been compensation? No. I was offering some commentary on what happens next for folks who I can see from this thread have clearly not grasped it. Prosecutions, convictions, compensation. Some of you need to calm down a bit and drop the psychotic bullying of anyone who does not comply to your idea of what can and cannot be spoken about and when.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 10:18:30 GMT
Are you suggesting the primary motive for this quarter of a century campaign has been compensation? No. I was offering some commentary on what happens next for folks who I can see from this thread have clearly not grasped it. Prosecutions, convictions, compensation. Some of you need to calm down a bit and drop the psychotic bullying of anyone who does not comply to your idea of what can and cannot be spoken about and when. to be fair i don't think anyone has bullied anyone on this thread for talking about Hillsborough have they? he was simply trying to clarify what your point was. what people don't like is an agenda ridden OP with an obvious intention of starting an argument about the Heysel/Hillsborough "Comaprison" (if there is one which there isn't apart from the fact that both sets of fans happened to be Liverpool fans)today of all days. if you can't see that Gods then it's a bit worrying. there's a little thing called "RESPECT" that most people understand on day's like today but unfortunately some people (like the OP) would seemingly prefer to ignore that word and try to drag up other stories about the club in question that are completely irrelevant to what happened 25 years ago today. why bother respecting the dead when you can have more fun winning points off others on a football messageboard eh? THAT'S what people are pissed off about and rightly so! what's next? November 11th becoming Remembrance day for all fallen soldiers apart from those who came form Liverpool because some people from the city may have a dodgy past? Fuck me! yeah, fuck the 96 people that died eh because some dickheads who happened to support the same team (who were charged and prosecuted for what they did) committed offences in a completely unrelated incident!! it's nothing to do with bullying and far more to do with respect, taste, decency and compassion.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 10:29:08 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 15, 2014 10:29:08 GMT
No. I was offering some commentary on what happens next for folks who I can see from this thread have clearly not grasped it. Prosecutions, convictions, compensation. Some of you need to calm down a bit and drop the psychotic bullying of anyone who does not comply to your idea of what can and cannot be spoken about and when. to be fair i don't think anyone has bullied anyone on this thread for talking about Hillsborough have they? he was simply trying to clarify what your point was. what people don't like is an agenda ridden OP with an obvious intention of starting an argument about the Heysel/Hillsborough "Comaprison" (if there is one which there isn't apart from the fact that both sets of fans happened to be Liverpool fans)today of all days. if you can't see that Gods then it's a bit worrying. there's a little thing called "RESPECT" that most people understand on day's like today but unfortunately some people (like the OP) would seemingly prefer to ignore that word and try to drag up other stories about the club in question that are completely irrelevant to what happened 25 years ago today. why bother respecting the dead when you can have more fun winning points off others on a football messageboard eh? THAT'S what people are pissed off about and rightly so! what's next? November 11th becoming Remembrance day for all fallen soldiers apart from those who came form Liverpool because some people from the city may have a dodgy past? Fuck me! yeah, fuck the 96 people that died eh because some dickheads who happened to support the same team (who were charged and prosecuted for what they did) committed offences in a completely unrelated incident!! it's nothing to do with bullying and far more to do with respect, taste, decency and compassion. quite the opposite millsy...it would be a remembrance day for only soldiers from Liverpool wouldn't it? I think that is the point that has tried to be made over the last week. i think you and your ilk off this board should show some more respect and decency to the people (not me included mind) on this board that do care about what happened to the 96 but still don't see everything the same way.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 10:48:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 10:48:09 GMT
Liverpool fans have fought themselves tooth and nail for justice - they didn't like it and have done something about it. With that has been a quarter of a century of the pain of losing a loved one. Regardless of whether or not I agree with everything (and I'm specifically not going to get drawn in to that) - the fact that they are fighting so passionately and for such a long time for their justice is something that they have my absolute respect for and I wish them well with their ongoing battle.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 11:03:12 GMT
Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 15, 2014 11:03:12 GMT
96 people, football fans like me you and your family members, died as a result of this incident. Whoever's fault it was is not what today is about, 96 people died.
It's obvious the OP's motives, SHIT BIN!
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 11:07:39 GMT
Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Apr 15, 2014 11:07:39 GMT
Do the majority of people in the Liverpool area still boycott the Sun? If I was reading it on a day like today in a pub, would that be frowned upon?
Or have they moved on from that?
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 11:15:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 11:15:26 GMT
Do the majority of people in the Liverpool area still boycott the Sun? If I was reading it on a day like today in a pub, would that be frowned upon? Or have they moved on from that? Yes it is still boycotted and no they haven't moved on. There are banners and posters all round Miseryside today. I've seen several posters put up in living room windows. Three of my customers are going into town to show respect too. Many Irish coming over too.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 15, 2014 11:18:25 GMT
96 people, football fans like me you and your family members, died as a result of this incident. Whoever's fault it was is not what today is about, 96 people died. It's obvious the OP's motives, SHIT BIN! This is it I. A nutshell for me. Whatever I may think about the events of that day, today is about respecting the 96 supporters who lost their lives when going to a football match. That is all that should matter today.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 11:40:57 GMT
Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Apr 15, 2014 11:40:57 GMT
Do the majority of people in the Liverpool area still boycott the Sun? If I was reading it on a day like today in a pub, would that be frowned upon? Or have they moved on from that? Yes it is still boycotted and no they haven't moved on. There are banners and posters all round Miseryside today. I've seen several posters put up in living room windows. Three of my customers are going into town to show respect too. Many Irish coming over too. Sorry I meant have they moved on from their Sun boycott and would you get grief for reading it in public, especially today. I by no means meant have they moved on from the tragedy.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 15, 2014 11:48:52 GMT
and to do it today of all feckin days (although i know that's precisely why it has been done) i bet if you look at all the football forums around the country today, ours will be the only one trying to start a thread to basically have a go and take a pop at Liverpool FC. fucking embarrassment!!!! Let's hope something similar never befalls some on here mate Let's see them saying " move on " etc etc if a serious miscarriage if justice befalls on one of their loved relatives where the authorities lie, cover up evidence and try to pin the blame on them Move on my fucking arse......let's see those bastards before the courts Something similar did befall us. On the 31st January 1989 we had an FA Cup replay at Barnsley. Thousands of Stoke supporters arrived late due to traffic congestion. Outside the ground a crush developed and people were getting hurt. Initial action was to send a police horse running in to the crowd which only added to the chaos. To ease the congestion the police opened one of the huge exit gates which allowed the crowd to get into the game for free. This was the response the same force used two months later at Hillsborough. Had there been more Stoke supporters on the away terrace that night we could have suffered that awful disaster. Same situation, same police force, same reaction. We, like all football supporters, were actually riding our luck, not just on that night, but for years before. There was very little consideration for the issue of crowd safety over crowd control. It could have been any of us with the loss of life….. and the same scandalous tabloid allegations. RIP the 96.
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