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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:38:20 GMT
Smalling and Lampard are the only ones I have an issue with there. Would have taken Barry over Lampard all day long. Wouldn't argue with you on those two, Rob. But I was expecting a lot worse. He seems to have a bit of a thing for Smalling. And if you take Shawcross out of the equation, choosing someone like Stones or Caulker wouldn't make me feel any more positive for the back-up centre-half. I probably would've gone with Barry too - as a more natural holding option. It'll be intersting to see what would happen if Glen Johnson was injured or suspended, especially if Jones isn't 100%. I'm pretty pleased with the squad though (if that is the squad) - it's got a little bit of most things I am as well really, glad to see the creative players picked. Dearth of decent centre backs is a concern.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:39:25 GMT
Talksport reckon the Ox and Wilshere have only made it on to the standby list. The Wilshere one is both a surprise and hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:39:56 GMT
Based on the leaks yesterday, the consensus seems to be: -Hart Foster Forster -Johnson Baines Shaw -Cahill Jagielka Jones Smalling -Gerrard Henderson Lampard Wilshere Barkley -Lallana Ox Milner Sterling -Rooney Sturridge Welbeck Lambert ...which doesn't seem too bad at all IMO. I'm really struggling to see any combination of four of those defenders keeping out Suarez for more than 30 seconds. What have Jones, Smalling or Johnson done to deserve a place? Johnson is there because for all his faults he's been first choice for a title contending team and the alternatives are all somehow considerably worse than him.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 12, 2014 8:40:58 GMT
Talksport reckon the Ox and Wilshere have only made it on to the standby list. The Wilshere one is both a surprise and hilarious. I hope Wilshere goes. He might be overrated but who's the alternative?
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Post by desman2 on May 12, 2014 8:41:58 GMT
Wheres Walcott. Is he still dead.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:45:03 GMT
Talksport reckon the Ox and Wilshere have only made it on to the standby list. The Wilshere one is both a surprise and hilarious. I hope Wilshere goes. He might be overrated but who's the alternative? Would try to emulate Liverpool's Diamond in all honesty, a holding midfielder (Gerrard, even Barry), Henderson, then Sterling and a left winger. Wilshere's a good player and he should be going, but on this occasion I'm letting my hatred overrule rationality
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2014 8:46:03 GMT
Talksport reckon the Ox and Wilshere have only made it on to the standby list. The Wilshere one is both a surprise and hilarious. That would be a shock. Such is the dearth of options, I'm struggling to see who'd come into the 23 ahead of them? The Sun are still saying they're both in the 23. The Sun v Talksport. There are no winners there!
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Post by superscfc on May 12, 2014 8:46:16 GMT
Wheres Walcott. Is he still dead. yes, he's 100% out for the World Cup
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2014 8:50:19 GMT
In the world rankings we stand at 11, behind countries like Colombia, Switzerland and Greece, our standards and quality have been falling, while many other countries have been improving.
The number of English players in the PL is around 32%, when will we say enough is enough, when the figure drops below 25% ?
Despite the massive influx of foreign players, the PL is still probably well behind the Spanish and German leagues in terms of skill, and I think both of those leagues have a higher percentage of home grown players.
Hopefully though we can at least get through the group stages.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:53:05 GMT
We really ruled the world when we didn't have those nasty foreign types didn't we?
Limit the number of foreigners and you reduce competition even more in domestic leagues as the smaller clubs can't afford to sign top English talent and you make it more of a premium. The Luke Shaw bid should underline that.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:57:20 GMT
We really ruled the world when we didn't have those nasty foreign types didn't we? Limit the number of foreigners and you reduce competition even more in domestic leagues as the smaller clubs can't afford to sign top English talent and you make it more of a premium. The Luke Shaw bid should underline that. EXACTLY. I'm fairly sure every Premier League club would love to field a backbone of English talent but clubs play onto the homegrown tag and slap an extra £5m+ on the pricetag as a result. Look at Ings and Rhodes (although Scottish) in the Championship.
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2014 8:58:13 GMT
It's not a question rob of " those nasty foreign types ", it's about trying to ensure our younger players and coaches can once again get more opportunities, even some at the F.A. have finally got that message.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:59:47 GMT
Next rumour is that Flanagan may have sneaked in.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2014 9:02:42 GMT
Next rumour is that Flanagan may have sneaked in. Chris Bascombe ?@_ChrisBascombe 16mHearing some suggestions it could be a good day for Jon Flanagan today, too…
Just seen that - Merseyside Telegraph correspondent seems to think so. Bad move if so. And if we are taking 8 defenders, that does suggest a midfielder who was thought to be going won't be. So that could back up the Wilshere/Ox thing
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 12, 2014 9:12:17 GMT
Good stuff admin.
Let's try and keep it all in one thread!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 9:12:31 GMT
It's not a question rob of " those nasty foreign types ", it's about trying to ensure our younger players and coaches can once again get more opportunities, even some at the F.A. have finally got that message. It's about getting the facilities and coaching in place to produce them in the first place. Do that and they'll get their chance.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 9:12:58 GMT
Next rumour is that Flanagan may have sneaked in. Chris Bascombe ?@_ChrisBascombe 16mHearing some suggestions it could be a good day for Jon Flanagan today, too…
Just seen that - Merseyside Telegraph correspondent seems to think so. Bad move if so. And if we are taking 8 defenders, that does suggest a midfielder who was thought to be going won't be. So that could back up the Wilshere/Ox thing he's had a damn good season to be fair and can also deputise at RB if needed which i suspect is why he'd get the call. i'd be far far happier with him slotting in to replace Johnson if necessary than Jones or Smalling doing it!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 9:14:20 GMT
It's not a question rob of " those nasty foreign types ", it's about trying to ensure our younger players and coaches can once again get more opportunities, even some at the F.A. have finally got that message. It's about getting the facilities and coaching in place to produce them in the first place. Do that and they'll get their chance. spot on Rob! they need to invest in grassroots and eventually we'll get there. it will take time and is far far better in the long run than this "Let's just rush everything into place while still making some coin instead of spending it and if the lower leagues get fucked then so be it" stance that Dyke now appears to be taking.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2014 9:19:39 GMT
Chris Bascombe ?@_ChrisBascombe 16mHearing some suggestions it could be a good day for Jon Flanagan today, too…
Just seen that - Merseyside Telegraph correspondent seems to think so. Bad move if so. And if we are taking 8 defenders, that does suggest a midfielder who was thought to be going won't be. So that could back up the Wilshere/Ox thing he's had a damn good season to be fair and can also deputise at RB if needed which i suspect is why he'd get the call. i'd be far far happier with him slotting in to replace Johnson if necessary than Jones or Smalling doing it! I like the fact he's an unglamorous, Wilko-like defender. And he's probably the next RB cab off the rank, especially with Walker's absence. The cupboard is pretty bare there But I was kind of hoping we'd just take the 7 defenders and rely on Jones, Milner, Smalling filling in IF Johnson is unavailable - leaving us plenty of attacking options off the bench. But taking 8 defenders is the safe, conservative play - and Woy is a conservative soul at heart (although to be fair if reports are true he's been far bolder than anyone expected) If he does go, I hope he has a better international career than the last scouse utility defender Woy chose for a major tournament. Martin Kelly...whatever happened to that lad?
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Post by Pugsley on May 12, 2014 9:44:06 GMT
In the world rankings we stand at 11, behind countries like Colombia, Switzerland and Greece, our standards and quality have been falling, while many other countries have been improving. The number of English players in the PL is around 32%, when will we say enough is enough, when the figure drops below 25% ? Despite the massive influx of foreign players, the PL is still probably well behind the Spanish and German leagues in terms of skill, and I think both of those leagues have a higher percentage of home grown players. Hopefully though we can at least get through the group stages.
In the 70's and early Nineties we didn't even quailify and the league was virtually all British players. These are things that need addressing
1. Stop paying teenagers bonkers money - there is no hunger in the game. Cap wages as an incentive. 2. Coaches - massive improvement and more needed. Cost of getting qualified needs to be addressed. 3. Facilities - the game is awash with money but facilities are still lagging behind.
It's a start.
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Post by cozmick on May 12, 2014 10:07:40 GMT
If Wilshire makes it I'm gonna be pissed. The c**t needs to prove himself after injury. This "selected from reputation" bollocks needs to stop.
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2014 10:18:35 GMT
Our failure to qualify in the 70's and 90's Pugs was downy to a number of key issues, not lack of good players.
There is absolutely no reason why there shouldn't be more British coaches, other than the weird belief that if you are foreign you are better.
Are the managers at City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Southampton and soon to be at United, better coaches than Hughes, of course they aren't.
What is the bigger achievement, getting Stoke to 9th, or Chelsea to 3rd, it's a no brainer.
In terms of jobs in football, or in any industry, if you open the vacancies up to the whole world, then you restrict the chances of the existing population getting those positions.
The managers at Newcastle, Crystal Palace, West Ham, Aston Villa are really up there with the best, the fact that their teams are mid table or below is down to money, little else.
Foreign coaches and players coming into our game in England has been positive for many reasons, but the numbers are now a threat, for many reasons, just do the maths.
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Post by superscfc on May 12, 2014 10:23:35 GMT
I'm genuinely more interested to see if Pieters manages to sneak into the Holland squad
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 12, 2014 10:52:19 GMT
I'm genuinely more interested to see if Pieters manages to sneak into the Holland squad I swear I saw an article the other day on here saying he had not been selected. Unless I am getting confused with another player.
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Post by Cast no shadow on May 12, 2014 11:05:57 GMT
I'm genuinely more interested to see if Pieters manages to sneak into the Holland squad I swear I saw an article the other day on here saying he had not been selected. Unless I am getting confused with another player. It was just players playing in holland at a training camp, likes of eobben van persie etc were also bot mentioned in the list
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Post by superscfc on May 12, 2014 11:07:08 GMT
I'm genuinely more interested to see if Pieters manages to sneak into the Holland squad I swear I saw an article the other day on here saying he had not been selected. Unless I am getting confused with another player. You could be right but I was sure Van Gall was picking non Eredivisie players today for his squad
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Post by JoeinOz on May 12, 2014 11:17:04 GMT
Fron The Guardian live blog
Our understanding is that these are the seven names on Hodgson's standby list, each of them trying to be a good person but still secretly praying to the God of Hamstring Strains and Groin Twangs for a little help:
Andy Carroll (West Ham) John Stones (Everton) John Ruddy (Norwich) Jermain Defoe (Toronto) Michael Carrick (Man Utd) Tom Cleverley (Man Utd) John Flanaghan (Liverpool) All of which looks to me to be good news for Rickie Lambert, Ben Foster and a few others.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2014 11:21:32 GMT
Fron The Guardian live blog Our understanding is that these are the seven names on Hodgson's standby list, each of them trying to be a good person but still secretly praying to the God of Hamstring Strains and Groin Twangs for a little help: Andy Carroll (West Ham) John Stones (Everton) John Ruddy (Norwich) Jermain Defoe (Toronto) Michael Carrick (Man Utd) Tom Cleverley (Man Utd) John Flanaghan (Liverpool) All of which looks to me to be good news for Rickie Lambert, Ben Foster and a few others. Still looking like this lot then if it's semi-confirmed Flanagan is only on the standby list. -Hart Foster Forster -Johnson Baines Shaw -Cahill Jagielka Jones Smalling -Gerrard Henderson Lampard Wilshere Barkley -Lallana Ox Milner Sterling -Rooney Sturridge Welbeck Lambert
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Post by JoeinOz on May 12, 2014 11:26:44 GMT
Fron The Guardian live blog Our understanding is that these are the seven names on Hodgson's standby list, each of them trying to be a good person but still secretly praying to the God of Hamstring Strains and Groin Twangs for a little help: Andy Carroll (West Ham) John Stones (Everton) John Ruddy (Norwich) Jermain Defoe (Toronto) Michael Carrick (Man Utd) Tom Cleverley (Man Utd) John Flanaghan (Liverpool) All of which looks to me to be good news for Rickie Lambert, Ben Foster and a few others. Still looking like this lot then if it's semi-confirmed Flanagan is only on the standby list. -Hart Foster Forster -Johnson Baines Shaw -Cahill Jagielka Jones Smalling -Gerrard Henderson Lampard Wilshere Barkley -Lallana Ox Milner Sterling -Rooney Sturridge Welbeck Lambert
Not much experience on the frontline apart from Rooney.
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Post by MrMagic on May 12, 2014 11:27:39 GMT
For as long as the FA continue to employ spineless yes men who toe the line in terms of selection we will suffer. The last manager who had any balls was probably Hoddle. Since then they have all started with the "I will select on form" line and soon reverted to picking out of form second string players from the big "powerful" clubs.
Smalling should be nowhere near an England shirt unless he is shopping in Sports Direct. The worst player to wear the lions since Carlton Palmer. Only gets picked because he's on UTDs payroll.
Cleverley (see above) marginally better than Carlton Palmer but even so................
Andy Carroll - if you take a "glass half full" approach he's an old fashioned centre forward. If you take the opposite, hes a big heavyweight thug who typifies why English football remains years behind other countrys. If it doesnt work, get a bigger hammer..........
Hodgsons obesssion with picking poorly performing players from "top" clubs is a disgrace, and I would honestly rather we lost every qualifying game if it meant he got unceremoniously sacked along with the rest of the self serving waste of blood and organs that make up the FA.
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