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Post by joedog on Mar 18, 2014 2:42:56 GMT
Prem gave us 200.000 for the fans to experience a better away day ? That's the official wording on the money ? It doesn't have to be free travel ? But to my reckoning, there still must be a fair lump left ? First point, is anyone from stoke supporters groups monitoring this fund ? Secondly, surly they could make Chelsea tickets half price, to use up this fund ?if it has to be returned, why not use it up ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 18, 2014 6:31:46 GMT
Could we see your calculations as to why you think there will be money left at the end of the season? I'm not saying you are wrong but, as I don't even know how many fans take up the offer of free coach travel, I couldn't even make an educated guess as to how much the club has spent.
As to monitoring, I'm sure the Supporter's Council are doing that (at least I assume the club gives them reports on the figures) but you could contact them to ask them to let us know the state of play.
I do know that one of the club's concerns about using the money to subsidise away tickets is that some of the tickets might get sold on and so the subsidy might line the pockets of those who don't go to away games. The Knot FM broadcast last Sunday mentioned this - it should still be available online.
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Post by joedog on Mar 18, 2014 7:49:30 GMT
If you worked on 10 buses per away game at 500 each.thats 5 thousand.. x 18 is only 90,000 and that's overpriced buses to Manchesters and Merseyside games, along with villa. as tickets falling into wrong hands, I know quite a few who been on free travel under someone else's name ! Does it really matter though ? Biggest thing this year is,our support away from home is worse with free travel.and yes I do attend every away game.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 18, 2014 8:10:48 GMT
If you worked on 10 buses per away game at 500 each.thats 5 thousand.. x 18 is only 90,000 and that's overpriced buses to Manchesters and Merseyside games, along with villa. as tickets falling into wrong hands, I know quite a few who been on free travel under someone else's name ! Does it really matter though ? Biggest thing this year is,our support away from home is worse with free travel.and yes I do attend every away game. You are assuming that the subsidy paid to the bus company is only £10 per person per trip? (10 x 500 x £10) That may be reasonable for trips to Manchester and Liverpool. But trips to Newcastle, Sunderland, London, Cardiff, Swansea and Southampton must cost far far more per person to subsidise than that. Like I said in my earlier post, I don't know your figures are wrong (I just don't have the information) but I do doubt if the amount spent on subsidising the trips is as low as you suggest. I'm certainly not criticising your attendance at away games. You clearly go to more than the 6 or 7 I get to each year. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 18, 2014 8:27:00 GMT
If you worked on 10 buses per away game at 500 each.thats 5 thousand.. x 18 is only 90,000 and that's overpriced buses to Manchesters and Merseyside games, along with villa. as tickets falling into wrong hands, I know quite a few who been on free travel under someone else's name ! Does it really matter though ? Biggest thing this year is,our support away from home is worse with free travel.and yes I do attend every away game. Ah but the free travel lacks all the perks of a joedog trip. At least with joedog travel the experience is on the coach as well as the stadium  See ya Sunday buddy. |
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Post by kingstokie on Mar 18, 2014 8:28:33 GMT
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Post by joedog on Mar 18, 2014 9:34:20 GMT
I can tell you the price within 30 pound for a coach lakes.and stoke get em cheaper. I know 2 coach companys who stoke use and stoke pay puss poor money and they have to wait at least 4 weeks to be paid !! Please stick to what you know mate. I know me busses and how much they are !! All I'm saying is.does the left over money get sent back ?if so sell all Chelsea tickets half price ? Plus free travel,why waste it ?
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Post by eddyclamp on Mar 18, 2014 10:13:57 GMT
Joe
Do you think that the introduction of free coach travel has resulted in fewer numbers attending away games?
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Post by vamborools on Mar 18, 2014 10:25:28 GMT
I can tell you the price within 30 pound for a coach lakes.and stoke get em cheaper. I know 2 coach companys who stoke use and stoke pay puss poor money and they have to wait at least 4 weeks to be paid !! Please stick to what you know mate. I know me busses and how much they are !! All I'm saying is.does the left over money get sent back ?if so sell all Chelsea tickets half price ? Plus free travel,why waste it ? Was planning an away trip with the lads for later this year Joe, how much for a coach for 4 days (3 nights) with driver included, stopping in Newquay ?? |
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Post by joedog on Mar 18, 2014 11:10:59 GMT
Send me details and ile price it up..as for away support dropping. around 3 to 4 private hire coaches have stopped. also the support going on private hire ttravel,do so because they want a different type of day to what the club offers. and if they haven't got a private coach to go on,they're just not bothered to go at all.again I know this to be fact.I would still like someone who has meetings with the club to ask how the money is allocated ? And how much coaches are ? And if loads of the grant left, why not use it all up on a expensive day out at Chelsea ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 18, 2014 12:17:32 GMT
Send me details and ile price it up..as for away support dropping. around 3 to 4 private hire coaches have stopped. also the support going on private hire ttravel,do so because they want a different type of day to what the club offers. and if they haven't got a private coach to go on,they're just not bothered to go at all.again I know this to be fact. I would still like someone who has meetings with the club to ask how the money is allocated ? And how much coaches are ? And if loads of the grant left, why not use it all up on a expensive day out at Chelsea ? As I said earlier why don't you send a personal message to one or two of the people on the Supporters Council. Malcolm Clarke is the vice chair and Angela Smith is the chair. Their user names for a pm are: ange1 & Malcolm Clarke |
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Post by Gods on Mar 18, 2014 12:20:38 GMT
Denise has a Gucci handbag, it's alligator skin loafers for Scholes and Cartwright, and Peter has a new reclining easy chair.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 18, 2014 12:21:00 GMT
There will be £6 11sh 5 1/2 pence left over. Denise, with a bucket, will stand outside the turnstiles at the Fulham match handing us all our fair share!
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Post by foster on Mar 18, 2014 12:22:27 GMT
Prem gave us 200.000 for the fans to experience a better away day ? That's the official wording on the money ? It doesn't have to be free travel ? But to my reckoning, there still must be a fair lump left ? First point, is anyone from stoke supporters groups monitoring this fund ? Secondly, surly they could make Chelsea tickets half price, to use up this fund ?if it has to be returned, why not use it up ? Chelsea tickets half price? What, so Chelsea get the money that we pay out of the fund? In which case, what's to stop other clubs from raising ticket prices and doing the same. No thanks. If the tickets are too expensive then I think boycotting the game would be better. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 18, 2014 12:29:48 GMT
Prem gave us 200.000 for the fans to experience a better away day ? That's the official wording on the money ? It doesn't have to be free travel ? But to my reckoning, there still must be a fair lump left ? First point, is anyone from stoke supporters groups monitoring this fund ? Secondly, surly they could make Chelsea tickets half price, to use up this fund ?if it has to be returned, why not use it up ? Chelsea tickets half price? What, so Chelsea get the money that we pay out of the fund? In which case, what's to stop other clubs from raising ticket prices and doing the same. No thanks. If the tickets are too expensive then I think boycotting the game would be better. It's an interesting point. Presumeably in effect Stoke City "trousered" some of the WHU fund on Saturday being the difference in total value of the tickets WHU actually sold at the £20 discounted rate (2800 or so) versus what they would have sold at £30 (say 1800 or so). You can argue about the numbers but that's the principal. |
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Post by joedog on Mar 18, 2014 16:12:46 GMT
Send me details and ile price it up..as for away support dropping. around 3 to 4 private hire coaches have stopped. also the support going on private hire ttravel,do so because they want a different type of day to what the club offers. and if they haven't got a private coach to go on,they're just not bothered to go at all.again I know this to be fact.I would still like someone who has meetings with the club to ask how the money is allocated ? And how much coaches are ? And if loads of the grant left, why not use it all up on a expensive day out at Chelsea ?
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Post by salopstick on Mar 18, 2014 16:27:11 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24446082no-one says it has to be spent in one year and the club would have had to budget for a better take-up as they couldnt predict the numbers, it may have even ended up costing more than 200K next season there is more money in the pot and now they know the interest of take-up can adjust and make additional plans as they see fit however for next season i think the club should engage with the supporters group to see other ideas to use it. i dont think discounting tickets is the answer as that 200k just finds its way back into the other clubs coffers away travel was a great idea and not only helps those who wish to use it but local coach firms etc. you cant please everyone but this was an opportunity to help the majority should they have wished to use it. some people always too quick to moan, cant too right from being wrong sometimes
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Post by potterglen on Mar 18, 2014 21:34:23 GMT
Could we see your calculations as to why you think there will be money left at the end of the season? I'm not saying you are wrong but, as I don't even know how many fans take up the offer of free coach travel, I couldn't even make an educated guess as to how much the club has spent. As to monitoring, I'm sure the Supporter's Council are doing that (at least I assume the club gives them reports on the figures) but you could contact them to ask them to let us know the state of play. I do know that one of the club's concerns about using the money to subsidise away tickets is that some of the tickets might get sold on and so the subsidy might line the pockets of those who don't go to away games. The Knot FM broadcast last Sunday mentioned this - it should still be available online. The Supporters Council is as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike, more interested in a flag than away supporters. |
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Post by potterglen on Mar 18, 2014 21:40:54 GMT
If you worked on 10 buses per away game at 500 each.thats 5 thousand.. x 18 is only 90,000 and that's overpriced buses to Manchesters and Merseyside games, along with villa. as tickets falling into wrong hands, I know quite a few who been on free travel under someone else's name ! Does it really matter though ? Biggest thing this year is,our support away from home is worse with free travel.and yes I do attend every away game. Ah but the free travel lacks all the perks of a joedog trip. At least with joedog travel the experience is on the coach as well as the stadium See ya Sunday buddy. The club was asked for discounted away tickets as an option and the clubs reply was that supporters would sell on the tickets at full price and pocket the difference. What rubbish, why would anyone buy a full price ticket when they can get a discount from the ticket office? Nice to know the club has such a high opinion of its supporters. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2014 21:51:12 GMT
Joe Do you think that the introduction of free coach travel has resulted in fewer numbers attending away games? Why and how would it? It stops nobody going to away games if they want to go. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 18, 2014 21:56:49 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24446082no-one says it has to be spent in one year and the club would have had to budget for a better take-up as they couldnt predict the numbers, it may have even ended up costing more than 200K next season there is more money in the pot and now they know the interest of take-up can adjust and make additional plans as they see fit however for next season i think the club should engage with the supporters group to see other ideas to use it.
i dont think discounting tickets is the answer as that 200k just finds its way back into the other clubs coffers away travel was a great idea and not only helps those who wish to use it but local coach firms etc. you cant please everyone but this was an opportunity to help the majority should they have wished to use it. some people always too quick to moan, cant too right from being wrong sometimes I'd be in favour of beer tokens meself ... |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 18, 2014 22:24:39 GMT
I can tell you the price within 30 pound for a coach lakes.and stoke get em cheaper. I know 2 coach companys who stoke use and stoke pay puss poor money and they have to wait at least 4 weeks to be paid !! Please stick to what you know mate. I know me busses and how much they are !! All I'm saying is.does the left over money get sent back ?if so sell all Chelsea tickets half price ? Plus free travel,why waste it ? Waiting 4 weeks for payment is pretty standard when dealing with another company, if you know your business you should also realise you're underestimating the cost of the scheme, you're quoting the price to hire the bus, stoke will I assume be working on the free "fare" as that is the real cost to them, 50 fares at £15 or £20 each not the £500 to hire the bus on that basis the £200k will probably have already been spent. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 18, 2014 22:43:39 GMT
If you worked on 10 buses per away game at 500 each.thats 5 thousand.. x 18 is only 90,000 and that's overpriced buses to Manchesters and Merseyside games, along with villa. as tickets falling into wrong hands, I know quite a few who been on free travel under someone else's name ! Does it really matter though ? Biggest thing this year is,our support away from home is worse with free travel.and yes I do attend every away game. Ah but the free travel lacks all the perks of a joedog trip. At least with joedog travel the experience is on the coach as well as the stadium See ya Sunday buddy. Yup, there's a reason I haven't gone on one again. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 18, 2014 23:10:56 GMT
Prem gave us 200.000 for the fans to experience a better away day ? That's the official wording on the money ? It doesn't have to be free travel ? But to my reckoning, there still must be a fair lump left ? First point, is anyone from stoke supporters groups monitoring this fund ? Secondly, surly they could make Chelsea tickets half price, to use up this fund ?if it has to be returned, why not use it up ? Well not quite. The PL didn't "give" clubs £200k for this. The clubs all agreed to spend £200k on it, so there won't be any money returned. And I don't think the PL will audit it, to ensure that the money is indeed spent. We can ask for the projected expenditure - whether the club will tell us is another matter. There are 19 away games, so it's just over £10k per game. I don't know what coaches cost, but we have got more long distance away games this year than we have had in past years. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 18, 2014 23:21:54 GMT
Could we see your calculations as to why you think there will be money left at the end of the season? I'm not saying you are wrong but, as I don't even know how many fans take up the offer of free coach travel, I couldn't even make an educated guess as to how much the club has spent. As to monitoring, I'm sure the Supporter's Council are doing that (at least I assume the club gives them reports on the figures) but you could contact them to ask them to let us know the state of play. I do know that one of the club's concerns about using the money to subsidise away tickets is that some of the tickets might get sold on and so the subsidy might line the pockets of those who don't go to away games. The Knot FM broadcast last Sunday mentioned this - it should still be available online. The Supporters Council is as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike, more interested in a flag than away supporters. I hope that you will stand in the forthcoming elections, to help the Council improve its performance. It shouldn't be difficult to beat the current crop of incompetents (assuming any of us decide to stand again). Your last sentence isn't true, but just for the record, complaints about the flag (or lack of it)are amongst the more common complaints received by SC members, and we are there to take up issues raised with us. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 18, 2014 23:24:00 GMT
Prem gave us 200.000 for the fans to experience a better away day ? That's the official wording on the money ? It doesn't have to be free travel ? But to my reckoning, there still must be a fair lump left ? First point, is anyone from stoke supporters groups monitoring this fund ? Secondly, surly they could make Chelsea tickets half price, to use up this fund ?if it has to be returned, why not use it up ? Well not quite. The PL didn't "give" clubs £200k for this. The clubs all agreed to spend £200k on it, so there won't be any money returned. And I don't think the PL will audit it, to ensure that the money is indeed spent. We can ask for the projected expenditure - whether the club will tell us is another matter. There are 19 away games, so it's just over £10k per game. I don't know what coaches cost, but we have got more long distance away games this year than we have had in past years.
That maybe but (and a bit off topic) Stoke fans (well the ones that catch busses from Stoke) have less miles to travel over the course of a whole season than any other supporter in the Premier league apparently.
A bit of useless information for the day.
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 18, 2014 23:37:08 GMT
 The Supporters Council is as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike, more interested in a flag than away supporters. I hope that you will stand in the forthcoming elections, to help the Council improve its performance. It shouldn't be difficult to beat the current crop of incompetents (assuming any of us decide to stand again). Your last sentence isn't true, but just for the record, complaints about the flag (or lack of it)are amongst the more common complaints received by SC members, and we are there to take up issues raised with us.
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Post by joedog on Mar 19, 2014 5:38:27 GMT
10,000 per away game cost for coaches !!!!! What planet and calculator does some of you use !!!! So we took 20 coaches to man utd,man city and Liverpool did we ? And paid 500 Each for em !! Please feel free to contact me on any aspect of coach prices.and as much respect I have for Malcolm. the club has received a 200.000 grant from the premier league. the actual wording of the grant is "to improve the away day experience of the supporters away travel" please ring me Malcolm to confirm where this information comes from.the actual terms are a bit of a mystery ? Even on stoke city advertising at the beginning of the season, no credit to where the money to fund free travel appeared from ?west ham discounted tickets, Norwich do the same and take very good away followings,we put free travel on and our away followings go dramatically down ? It's definitely something the club should have asked supporters to vote on ? And when on here we complain of overpriced tickets at certain away games, the grant could be used for that ? Hence everyone who follows stoke and lives all over the country, gains ? So away support at expensive games should go up ? Again. free travel is good for some, cheaper tickets. everyone gains.
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Mar 19, 2014 7:25:29 GMT
Is Joedog bitter because his "take" has gone down?
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Post by kettle2013 on Mar 19, 2014 7:42:55 GMT
Who cares! Frankly if u want to improve your away match experience don't travel on the stoke coaches! Boring as!
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