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Post by agingerstokie on Feb 26, 2014 12:40:42 GMT
Pleased for the man.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 26, 2014 21:41:22 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better!
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2014 21:45:41 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better! Unlike Mama you mean? H |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 26, 2014 21:47:27 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better! Unlike Mama you mean? H Move on RAF FFS  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 26, 2014 21:52:10 GMT
Every fan says we've got too much deadwood? True, but giving new contracts to deadwood and shipping in deadwood like Ireland is taking us backwards and next season we'll hear the same SCFC bleating of FFP Rules. Yes, and who limits us under FFP more than SCFC itself?! No-one!
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2014 21:52:36 GMT
It's a relevant point. I know you don't like it, but it's relevant none the less. Wilko was part of the promotion team, part of us staying in the prem so should be afforded the same treatment. Unless you can give me a reason why not? H |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 26, 2014 21:55:22 GMT
Move on RAF FFS It's a relevant point. I know you don't like it, but it's relevant none the less. Wilko was part of the promotion team, part of us staying in the prem so should be afforded the same treatment. Unless you can give me a reason why not? H The main reason imo is that he's not good enough for the prem so maybe Leslie is getting us prepared for Barnsley again  |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 26, 2014 21:55:30 GMT
Happy to be fullback cover saving us millions for similar cover
It's a no brainer
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Post by march4 on Feb 26, 2014 21:55:50 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better! Unlike Mama you mean? H Isn't Mama available? |
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2014 21:57:39 GMT
It's a relevant point. I know you don't like it, but it's relevant none the less. Wilko was part of the promotion team, part of us staying in the prem so should be afforded the same treatment. Unless you can give me a reason why not? H The main reason imo is that he's not good enough for the prem so maybe Leslie is getting us prepared for Barnsley again :) So in your opinion Mama was good enough for the Prem when he was given his last 1 year contract? You know the one he was given when he was injured? H |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 26, 2014 21:59:32 GMT
The main reason imo is that he's not good enough for the prem so maybe Leslie is getting us prepared for Barnsley again So in your opinion Mama was good enough for the Prem when he was given his last 1 year contract? You know the one he was given when he was injured? H Wasn't that given because of his injury though? |
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2014 22:00:30 GMT
So in your opinion Mama was good enough for the Prem when he was given his last 1 year contract? You know the one he was given when he was injured? H Wasn't that given because of his injury though? It was given due to his service to the club H |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2014 22:10:23 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better! He should be starting. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 26, 2014 22:10:28 GMT
Wilko is not deadwood. Hardly. It's not as if he's was an Edu or Shea type of signing wasting a valuable squad position and making the club pay extra unused wages this season. Wilko is a good lad, who works aaard and can come in and defend when fit. No brainer. Good servant who deserves it in my opinion.
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2014 22:14:54 GMT
We are always bemoaning not having cover for certain positions, Wilko is good cover.
Obviously Mutters thinks injured players with no use are more deserving of a 1 year contract.
Each to their own I suppose.
H
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Post by salopstick on Feb 26, 2014 22:16:16 GMT
It would cost around 8£m to replace Wilko
3-4 fee
£20k at least a week for four years another £4m
Compared to edu, Shea, Diego, tonge, soares, Davies and all those who never made the bench it's a good deal, plus behind the scenes etc we still have a local lad on books
Not the most talented, but committed, hard working and a pleasure to have at the club
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 26, 2014 22:16:29 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better! He should be starting. Naw, can't pass or play one twos going forward.. It'd leave pwingy on an island. wilkos a old school rb, he should come on for geoff when we have a lead to defend or parking the bus to hold on for a draw away though as a rotation player. You can expect that from now on hughes has shown that is the case. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 26, 2014 22:17:47 GMT
It would cost around 8£m to replace Wilko 3-4 fee £20k at least a week for four years another £4m Compared to edu, Shea, Diego, tonge, soares, Davies and all those who never made the bench it's a good deal, plus behind the scenes etc we still have a local lad on books Not the most talented, but committed, hard working and a pleasure to have at the club Exactly. Bargain for us. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 26, 2014 22:18:32 GMT
The biggest issue with Wilko is his fitness and reaccuring injuries. If fit he's decent cover for RB. If we're going to let Shotton go its understandable but only if.
Well have GCam, Wilson and Wilko all who can play RB.
The truth is we don't have the financial clout to buy a whole new team and backups we have to be canny. I can't see him being on huge wages either.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2014 22:20:52 GMT
Naw, can't pass or play one twos going forward.. It'd leave pwingy on an island. wilkos a old school rb, he should come on for geoff when we have a lead to defend or parking the bus to hold on for a draw away though as a rotation player. You can expect that from now on hughes has shown that is the case. But he can defend, which is what is needed for a right back, the current one unfortunately can't and what we have apparently gained from him going forward, 2 assists and 1 goal since he joined (62 starts), isn't worth the liability at the back. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 26, 2014 22:30:55 GMT
You've got a 25 man squad, which lets you ideally have 2 players for every position, a spare goalkeeper and a couple of versatile players. As it stands, he's arguably our best right back and if not, our second best right back. It's just a sensible, obvious move.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 26, 2014 22:31:55 GMT
The biggest issue with Wilko is his fitness and reaccuring injuries. If fit he's decent cover for RB. If we're going to let Shotton go its understandable but only if. Well have GCam, Wilson and Wilko all who can play RB. The truth is we don't have the financial clout to buy a whole new team and backups we have to be canny. I can't see him being on huge wages either. GCam and Wilson are far better at RB. With 25 squad positions and 3 GKs that leaves 22 places for 10 positions i.e. 2 per position. So, we're one player (two if you count Shotton) over in the RB position. Yet we're crying out for a proven goalscorer and a classier defensive CM. This isn't good business but it is an indication that the 3 dreadful transfer windows will be followed by a fourth! |
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Post by MooG on Feb 26, 2014 22:35:44 GMT
I like Wilko but wouldn't have given him this contract myself. He's a decent right back but a bit too injury prone.
Then again he probably isn't on a massive wage and is a solid player when fit so perhaps I'm being a bit harsh.
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 26, 2014 22:45:56 GMT
Naw, can't pass or play one twos going forward.. It'd leave pwingy on an island. wilkos a old school rb, he should come on for geoff when we have a lead to defend or parking the bus to hold on for a draw away though as a rotation player. You can expect that from now on hughes has shown that is the case. But he can defend, which is what is needed for a right back, the current one unfortunately can't and what we have apparently gained from him going forward, 2 assists and 1 goal since he joined (62 starts), isn't worth the liability at the back. Our current rb has been defending better than ever now that he has pwingy as an outlet. He can sitback. He destroyed wayne routledge, where pieters was made a fool by dyer of Swansea. It's our setup currently that is the liability, not the fullbacks. Trying to put lipstick on a pig with Wilson attempting to be a swinging anchor cb with ryan slightly infront isn't working and it shows how fragile our two cbs are for us... Coupled with poor possession from the forwards and our midfield out of position from counters its no wonder the goals are adding up. There's a reason quite a few prem teams lined up and approached us for geoff this window a few really wanted him. We said no. In the United, Arsenal and City system's he'd shine. He showed that vs swansea. He's only getting better and his performances are showing that. Wilko would be a step backward in that regard hes just not technically sound enough for the modern game. He'd be a walking red card. Good for cover and great defender but when he wins it he can't do nowt with it. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 26, 2014 22:50:20 GMT
The biggest issue with Wilko is his fitness and reaccuring injuries. If fit he's decent cover for RB. If we're going to let Shotton go its understandable but only if. Well have GCam, Wilson and Wilko all who can play RB. The truth is we don't have the financial clout to buy a whole new team and backups we have to be canny. I can't see him being on huge wages either. GCam and Wilson are far better at RB. With 25 squad positions and 3 GKs that leaves 22 places for 10 positions i.e. 2 per position. So, we're one player (two if you count Shotton) over in the RB position. Yet we're crying out for a proven goalscorer and a classier defensive CM. This isn't good business but it is an indication that the 3 dreadful transfer windows will be followed by a fourth! Wilko is better than Wulson. Marc cant even attempt tackles and gives opposition a goal a game usually... Wilko is solid but offers nothing going forward and he has a bad touch. Best defender at tackling but we need more than that at rb with a hazard afoot. |
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2014 22:56:13 GMT
GCam and Wilson are far better at RB. With 25 squad positions and 3 GKs that leaves 22 places for 10 positions i.e. 2 per position. So, we're one player (two if you count Shotton) over in the RB position. Yet we're crying out for a proven goalscorer and a classier defensive CM. This isn't good business but it is an indication that the 3 dreadful transfer windows will be followed by a fourth! Wilko is better than Wulson. Marc cant even attempt tackles and gives opposition a goal a game usually... Wilko is solid but offers nothing going forward and he has a bad touch. Best defender at tackling but we need more than that at rb with a hazard afoot. Where has this bullshit about Wilson being a better RB come from? I'd like to see the evidence. H |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2014 22:57:35 GMT
But he can defend, which is what is needed for a right back, the current one unfortunately can't and what we have apparently gained from him going forward, 2 assists and 1 goal since he joined (62 starts), isn't worth the liability at the back. Our current rb has been defending better than ever now that he has pwingy as an outlet. He can sitback. He destroyed wayne routledge, where pieters was made a fool by dyer of Swansea. It's our setup currently that is the liability, not the fullbacks. Trying to put lipstick on a pig with Wilson attempting to be a swinging anchor cb with ryan slightly infront isn't working and it shows how fragile our two cbs are for us... Coupled with poor possession from the forwards and our midfield out of position from counters its no wonder the goals are adding up. There's a reason quite a few prem teams lined up and approached us for geoff this window a few really wanted him. We said no. In the United, Arsenal and City system's he'd shine. He showed that vs swansea. He's only getting better and his performances are showing that. Wilko would be a step backward in that regard hes just not technically sound enough for the modern game. He'd be a walking red card. Good for cover and great defender but when he wins it he can't do nowt with it.Bold 1: Who?? (sunderland have been the only ones mentioned and that was just rumor. Bold 2: Same as Cameron then. I also don't agree hes been doing much better now that PO is in front, we've looked better down the right imo because it turns out PO is quite good at tracking back and getting a tackle in, covering Camerons frailties. I don't want to be argumentative about Cameron because we've been here before, I'm just not going to be convinced hes good enough, he can't defend and is not much better going forward. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 26, 2014 22:59:22 GMT
The biggest issue with Wilko is his fitness and reaccuring injuries. If fit he's decent cover for RB. If we're going to let Shotton go its understandable but only if. Well have GCam, Wilson and Wilko all who can play RB. The truth is we don't have the financial clout to buy a whole new team and backups we have to be canny. I can't see him being on huge wages either. GCam and Wilson are far better at RB. With 25 squad positions and 3 GKs that leaves 22 places for 10 positions i.e. 2 per position. So, we're one player (two if you count Shotton) over in the RB position. Yet we're crying out for a proven goalscorer and a classier defensive CM. This isn't good business but it is an indication that the 3 dreadful transfer windows will be followed by a fourth! Any proof that Wilson is better? And Gcam, really? Cringe. |
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Post by stokeloyal on Feb 26, 2014 23:12:04 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 26, 2014 23:38:41 GMT
Our current rb has been defending better than ever now that he has pwingy as an outlet. He can sitback. He destroyed wayne routledge, where pieters was made a fool by dyer of Swansea. It's our setup currently that is the liability, not the fullbacks. Trying to put lipstick on a pig with Wilson attempting to be a swinging anchor cb with ryan slightly infront isn't working and it shows how fragile our two cbs are for us... Coupled with poor possession from the forwards and our midfield out of position from counters its no wonder the goals are adding up. There's a reason quite a few prem teams lined up and approached us for geoff this window a few really wanted him. We said no. In the United, Arsenal and City system's he'd shine. He showed that vs swansea. He's only getting better and his performances are showing that. Wilko would be a step backward in that regard hes just not technically sound enough for the modern game. He'd be a walking red card. Good for cover and great defender but when he wins it he can't do nowt with it.Bold 1: Who?? (sunderland have been the only ones mentioned and that was just rumor. Bold 2: Same as Cameron then. I also don't agree hes been doing much better now that PO is in front, we've looked better down the right imo because it turns out PO is quite good at tracking back and getting a tackle in, covering Camerons frailties. I don't want to be argumentative about Cameron because we've been here before, I'm just not going to be convinced hes good enough, he can't defend and is not much better going forward. Theres a gag order on the teams until after the season but it is believed to be Sunderland Villa, Norwich and Newcastle. Geoff is arguably the best on our squad at going forward with the ball at his feet... besides Arnie and Pwingy... and Wilko? Are you seriously trying to say wilko is similar in passing and delivery to Geoff. Your dillusion shows in that one... bold statement. lol 6 interceptions and countless tackles after PO lost possession the last two weeks especially vs idk.. wayne routledge and he has frailties? Christ. How about pieters many frailties? Dyer made him look pub leaguer but no worries. If you think Wilko could start in a hughes side you'd probably think Walters is a RW player... Theres no debate here boskampflaps your just not even close as usual. Thats why Geoff is starting everyweek for Mark. We've been here before with Wilko not going back but a dabbling of cover. There's no need to convince you because even if he had a amazing finish to the season and gets snapped up you'd still be signing the same tune. |
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