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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 27, 2014 1:26:57 GMT
Bold 1: Who?? (sunderland have been the only ones mentioned and that was just rumor. Bold 2: Same as Cameron then. I also don't agree hes been doing much better now that PO is in front, we've looked better down the right imo because it turns out PO is quite good at tracking back and getting a tackle in, covering Camerons frailties. I don't want to be argumentative about Cameron because we've been here before, I'm just not going to be convinced hes good enough, he can't defend and is not much better going forward. Theres a gag order on the teams until after the season but it is believed to be Sunderland Villa, Norwich and Newcastle.
Geoff is arguably the best on our squad at going forward with the ball at his feet... besides Arnie and Pwingy... and Wilko? Are you seriously trying to say wilko is similar in passing and delivery to Geoff. Your dillusion shows in that one... bold statement.lol 6 interceptions and countless tackles after PO lost possession the last two weeks especially vs idk.. wayne routledge and he has frailties? Christ. How about pieters many frailties? Dyer made him look pub leaguer but no worries. If you think Wilko could start in a hughes side you'd probably think Walters is a RW player... Theres no debate here boskampflaps your just not even close as usual. Thats why Geoff is starting everyweek for Mark. We've been here before with Wilko not going back but a dabbling of cover. There's no need to convince you because even if he had a amazing finish to the season and gets snapped up you'd still be signing the same tune. Bold 1: Utter bollocks with no proof what so ever, you're making it up in your own mind Bold 2: Have I ever once said that, no, I know Wilko's limitations, but I would rather a better defender over a player that is apparently better at going forward (I say again, 2 assists and 1 goal in 62 starts, snigger) and is lacking in defencive ability, the position we are discussing is a defencive one after all. Bold 3: No, his best position is where he is playing now, just behind the front man doing his running for him, closing down the back four when they have the ball, helping out in midfield when not etc. Bold 4: Clearly there is a debate, usually happens when two apposing parties have a difference in opinion, such as ours And if I could be bothered I'm pretty confident I could prove that a majority of the goals we have conceded have come from the right, I worry for Shawcross because if Cameron stays in the team the amount of covering he'll continue to have to do is going to run him into to the ground.
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2014 1:43:45 GMT
What are the details of Wilko's new deal?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 27, 2014 6:40:05 GMT
Theres a gag order on the teams until after the season but it is believed to be Sunderland Villa, Norwich and Newcastle.
Geoff is arguably the best on our squad at going forward with the ball at his feet... besides Arnie and Pwingy... and Wilko? Are you seriously trying to say wilko is similar in passing and delivery to Geoff. Your dillusion shows in that one... bold statement.lol 6 interceptions and countless tackles after PO lost possession the last two weeks especially vs idk.. wayne routledge and he has frailties? Christ. How about pieters many frailties? Dyer made him look pub leaguer but no worries. If you think Wilko could start in a hughes side you'd probably think Walters is a RW player... Theres no debate here boskampflaps your just not even close as usual. Thats why Geoff is starting everyweek for Mark. We've been here before with Wilko not going back but a dabbling of cover. There's no need to convince you because even if he had a amazing finish to the season and gets snapped up you'd still be signing the same tune. Bold 1: Utter bollocks with no proof what so ever, you're making it up in your own mind Bold 2: Have I ever once said that, no, I know Wilko's limitations, but I would rather a better defender over a player that is apparently better at going forward (I say again, 2 assists and 1 goal in 62 starts, snigger) and is lacking in defencive ability, the position we are discussing is a defencive one after all. Bold 3: No, his best position is where he is playing now, just behind the front man doing his running for him, closing down the back four when they have the ball, helping out in midfield when not etc. Bold 4: Clearly there is a debate, usually happens when two apposing parties have a difference in opinion, such as ours And if I could be bothered I'm pretty confident I could prove that a majority of the goals we have conceded have come from the right, I worry for Shawcross because if Cameron stays in the team the amount of covering he'll continue to have to do is going to run him into to the ground. Do it then. Prove the majority of our goals are Cameron's fault. You keep demanding proof from everyone else, and then say the stats are "worthless" when someone presents them for you. So why don't you come out from behind your confirmation bias and put some facts behind your side of the "debate"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 6:43:50 GMT
From not been in the managers plans to getting a new contract just doesn't quite sit right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 7:25:51 GMT
From not been in the managers plans to getting a new contract just doesn't quite sit right. The sensible side of me thinks that Wilko provides good full back cover and his contract will reflect this. The cynical side of me thinks that we are we are once again doing things on the cheap. If it's the latter things will only end up with one outcome...RELEGATION. The Coates family need to make a big decision on where the club is going.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 8:07:45 GMT
From not been in the managers plans to getting a new contract just doesn't quite sit right. The sensible side of me thinks that Wilko provides good full back cover and his contract will reflect this. The cynical side of me thinks that we are we are once again doing things on the cheap. If it's the latter things will only end up with one outcome...RELEGATION. The Coates family need to make a big decision on where the club is going. Exactly things on the cheap which then leads me to say 'again' that no wonder Pulis got out of there. If we don't go down this year 'I think we will go down' then things will be done on the cheap whilst taking the riches on offer and running.
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Post by zigazaga on Feb 27, 2014 9:42:46 GMT
He's not good enough so why bother. Sometimes I feel stoke city are run by a bunch of brainless clowns.
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Post by ti on Feb 27, 2014 9:49:11 GMT
Gcam at RB with Wilko as back up. Perfectly happy with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 10:36:35 GMT
Wilko is a Stokie, end of! I think that we could get away with the full back positions as they are, if only we had a goalscorer. A regular one that is. This is the area that needs money spending on, and has been for ages. If giving Wilko a contract means that we can spend proper money on a good striker in the summer transfer window, so be it. Personally I like Wilko. He never gives anything short of his best for us imho.
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Post by RAF on Feb 27, 2014 10:56:56 GMT
The sensible side of me thinks that Wilko provides good full back cover and his contract will reflect this. The cynical side of me thinks that we are we are once again doing things on the cheap. If it's the latter things will only end up with one outcome...RELEGATION. The Coates family need to make a big decision on where the club is going. Exactly things on the cheap which then leads me to say 'again' that no wonder Pulis got out of there. If we don't go down this year 'I think we will go down' then things will be done on the cheap whilst taking the riches on offer and running. There is nothing to wonder about. He left because he was sacked. H
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 27, 2014 12:49:47 GMT
Bold 1: Utter bollocks with no proof what so ever, you're making it up in your own mind Bold 2: Have I ever once said that, no, I know Wilko's limitations, but I would rather a better defender over a player that is apparently better at going forward (I say again, 2 assists and 1 goal in 62 starts, snigger) and is lacking in defencive ability, the position we are discussing is a defencive one after all. Bold 3: No, his best position is where he is playing now, just behind the front man doing his running for him, closing down the back four when they have the ball, helping out in midfield when not etc. Bold 4: Clearly there is a debate, usually happens when two apposing parties have a difference in opinion, such as ours And if I could be bothered I'm pretty confident I could prove that a majority of the goals we have conceded have come from the right, I worry for Shawcross because if Cameron stays in the team the amount of covering he'll continue to have to do is going to run him into to the ground. Do it then. Prove the majority of our goals are Cameron's fault. You keep demanding proof from everyone else, and then say the stats are "worthless" when someone presents them for you. So why don't you come out from behind your confirmation bias and put some facts behind your side of the "debate" Can't be bothered mate, I've gone round in circles in this apparently non debate about Cameron, I've offered up his starts that prove he offers next to nothing going forward and as that's the argument presented for having him in the team I think thats enough. Where have I once asked for stats and then said they are worthless? And the only proof I wanted was about the total nonsense he came out with about a gagging order, with that he lost all credibility, absolute fabrication.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 27, 2014 14:57:51 GMT
Do it then. Prove the majority of our goals are Cameron's fault. You keep demanding proof from everyone else, and then say the stats are "worthless" when someone presents them for you. So why don't you come out from behind your confirmation bias and put some facts behind your side of the "debate" Can't be bothered mate, I've gone round in circles in this apparently non debate about Cameron, I've offered up his starts that prove he offers next to nothing going forward and as that's the argument presented for having him in the team I think thats enough. Where have I once asked for stats and then said they are worthless? And the only proof I wanted was about the total nonsense he came out with about a gagging order, with that he lost all credibility, absolute fabrication. You asked for proof and I gave it here: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/225555/cameron?page=1&scrollTo=4162070You claimed the stats were "worthless" here: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/225798/cameron?page=2&scrollTo=4171647You've gone around in circles because you disagree with any evidence that might suggest that the player is having a good season. OR you try to confirm facts as being proof of your assessment of the player "only 2 assists and 1 goal in 62 games" "Only Sunderland were interested" back up your argument, but they don't because any goal or assist and any interest in a player actually add to their positives. So if you can't spend the time backing it up by proving that most of the goals are Cameron's fault, so be it. I've shown you why he's good, but you refuse to see it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 27, 2014 15:44:42 GMT
Can't be bothered mate, I've gone round in circles in this apparently non debate about Cameron, I've offered up his starts that prove he offers next to nothing going forward and as that's the argument presented for having him in the team I think thats enough. Where have I once asked for stats and then said they are worthless? And the only proof I wanted was about the total nonsense he came out with about a gagging order, with that he lost all credibility, absolute fabrication. You asked for proof and I gave it here: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/225555/cameron?page=1&scrollTo=4162070You claimed the stats were "worthless" here: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/225798/cameron?page=2&scrollTo=4171647You've gone around in circles because you disagree with any evidence that might suggest that the player is having a good season. OR you try to confirm facts as being proof of your assessment of the player "only 2 assists and 1 goal in 62 games" "Only Sunderland were interested" back up your argument, but they don't because any goal or assist and any interest in a player actually add to their positives. So if you can't spend the time backing it up by proving that most of the goals are Cameron's fault, so be it. I've shown you why he's good, but you refuse to see it. Fair enough I thought you meant on this thread. The thing is the only positives he has is two assists and one goal, and the Sunderland being interest is rumor, how can a rumor add to a players positives As I've said, I don't care anymore, Its obvious where I stand, and I go from what I see on the pitch, and I'm not the only one.
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Post by sjohank on Feb 27, 2014 19:20:40 GMT
But one squad place including salary taken up next season. And why? To avoid a transfer fee for someone better! He should be starting. Are you serious?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 27, 2014 19:25:13 GMT
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Post by sjohank on Feb 27, 2014 19:34:18 GMT
Wilko RB gainst Arsenal? Cameron on the bench?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 27, 2014 19:37:57 GMT
Wilko RB gainst Arsenal? Cameron on the bench? Yep, Cameron anywhere but the first team, against Arsenal we need players that know where they are meant to be and can defend, Wilko has both. Edit: I know it won't happen.
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Post by sjohank on Feb 27, 2014 21:21:42 GMT
Wilko RB gainst Arsenal? Cameron on the bench? Yep, Cameron anywhere but the first team, against Arsenal we need players that know where they are meant to be and can defend, Wilko has both. Edit: I know it won't happen. Re. Edit: And rightly so.
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 27, 2014 22:32:10 GMT
Wilko vs Arsenal lol you've got to be joking. Cameron was masterful against Swansea and his stats prove that week in week out. Wilkos great as a squad player but is very limited. He's a good lad and was vital to our survival. Cameron is just more versitile and his stats are only gerting better, just go look em up. Out of the teams not in the top 6 only two teams have a rb with as many interceptions and tackles as our geoff who consistently start. He has had alot of great crosses fluffed by walters and crouch this season as he has had some terrible crosses as well. He has one goal at rb... Thats more than most our squad and up there with the forwards He will rightly start unless injured. No question about that, his ability to stand in and tackle plus his interception rate will be needed versus a side like Arsenal. There's stats and facts. Then there's bias. But theres also common sense and reality and thank god hughes selects the squad and not boskampflaps lol The PO trade has only helped our right side and the squad. Hughes and the staff deserve credit for getting in a rw who has a threat and can help defend vs sides who have improved their attack where we have only added PO.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 27, 2014 22:56:07 GMT
Wilko RB gainst Arsenal? Cameron on the bench? Yep, Cameron anywhere but the first team, against Arsenal we need players that know where they are meant to be and can defend, Wilko has both. Edit: I know it won't happen. problem is he can't play
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 27, 2014 22:56:44 GMT
Wilko just not good enough at prem level. Period
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 27, 2014 23:29:29 GMT
Yep, Cameron anywhere but the first team, against Arsenal we need players that know where they are meant to be and can defend, Wilko has both. Edit: I know it won't happen. Re. Edit: And rightly so. Clearly you prefer a rb that can't play the position, personally I don't, anyway I've carried on more than I wanted to so I'll leave you to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 8:28:37 GMT
Every fan says we've got too much deadwood? True, but giving new contracts to deadwood and shipping in deadwood like Ireland is taking us backwards and next season we'll hear the same SCFC bleating of FFP Rules. Yes, and who limits us under FFP more than SCFC itself?! No-one! Ireland is not deadwood. I like Wilko but I'm not sure why we have renewed his contract unless we're planning for the championship
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 8:31:57 GMT
Wilko is a Stokie, end of! There are 25,000+ Stokies at the Brit every other week, maybe we should sign them up as well
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