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Post by agingerstokie on Feb 19, 2014 14:06:05 GMT
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Post by Gods on Feb 19, 2014 14:17:15 GMT
In a nutshell for those who don't have time to read it:
Old Coatesy has no objection in principle but is not a jot bit interested in practice since it will cost money to install. (I should perhaps add he appears to currently have the same attitude to on-field investments too)
Meantime Angela Smith says she is a serial sitter and would prefer to park her posterior on a small hard plastic seat anyway.
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Post by ange1 on Feb 19, 2014 14:25:57 GMT
Gods for those that don't have time to read it I also said I would support the fans who want to stand
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Post by Gods on Feb 19, 2014 14:29:56 GMT
Gods for those that don't have time to read it I also said I would support the fans who want to stand Crikey Angela, it wasn't my intention that you would actually read that For me I'd love to stand, I hate sitting next to some loud mouth fat bloke occupying a seat and a half with bad halitosis, it would be like, FREEDOM
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Post by Stoke711 on Feb 19, 2014 14:33:17 GMT
I'd rather stand, too bloody cold stay seated at Stoke. Unless Stoke would like to invest in heated seats, even then I'd still rather stand, feel more involved in the game standing.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 19, 2014 14:35:03 GMT
Not something I wished to hear from Mr Coates, that.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 19, 2014 14:46:36 GMT
Well what a surprise. PL clubs not interested in what supporters want.
I wish the PL would fuck off and die.
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Post by capto on Feb 19, 2014 14:50:53 GMT
So, all you who want to stand, club together, take the money to Mr C & I'm sure he'll arrange an area for you. You wern't expecting him to pay for you, we're you?
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Post by ange1 on Feb 19, 2014 15:08:52 GMT
Gods I have read worse At least you mentioned my bum and a small plastic seat in the same sentence
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Post by jarhead on Feb 19, 2014 15:10:28 GMT
Well what a surprise. PL clubs not interested in what supporters want. I wish the PL would fuck off and die. Correct
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 19, 2014 15:11:22 GMT
Don't know why this is a surprise,hes said it before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 15:17:52 GMT
Let it go. Football has moved on,for the worse I admit,but we will never be able to recreate the old terracing feel and atmosphere,it's gone and consigned to history and however much we fantasise over having those days back,a bit of safe standing isn't ever going to bring it back. Sitting down at a football match is just something we have all had to get use to and we have proved in the past that our atmosphere can still be top notch regardless of whether we are sitting down or not. I can't see the point in all the moaning to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 15:25:54 GMT
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Post by ladyinred on Feb 19, 2014 15:56:44 GMT
Even if safe standing was introduced - it wouldn't be like the old days.
In order for it to be 'safe standing' you would be assigned a 'spot' to stand in - just like you are currently assisgned a seat.
It wouldn't be possible to all group together - and if you are unlucky enough to be next to the fat bloke with bad halitosis (or more appropriately stood behind the 6'4" man who loves to hold his hands in the air whilst singing) - you would still have to put up with it - no freedom i'm afraid.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 19, 2014 16:09:50 GMT
Even if safe standing was introduced - it wouldn't be like the old days. In order for it to be 'safe standing' you would be assigned a 'spot' to stand in - just like you are currently assisgned a seat. It wouldn't be possible to all group together - and if you are unlucky enough to be next to the fat bloke with bad halitosis (or more appropriately stood behind the 6'4" man who loves to hold his hands in the air whilst singing) - you would still have to put up with it - no freedom i'm afraid. Personally I think it would be more logical to assign people a block and a row to stand in rather than a seat. I know in Germany local authorities have the discretion to allow (up to 80%) more fans standing than the seated capacity for the row, in areas with rail seats. I wish someone could tell us what the ticket says about "where" you have to stand.
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Post by stick7 on Feb 19, 2014 16:12:46 GMT
Still think if they eventually fill in one of the corners at The Brit they could have a Safe standing area.This also benefits the fans who prefer to sit down but are forced to stand up because of the persistent standers.Given the choice I would stand up every time.I know it won't be the same as the good old days but it would be better then being forced to sit down.
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Post by surreystokie on Feb 19, 2014 17:08:24 GMT
Sitting away from home has become an increasing nightmare. As I don't like to be at pitch height, I select a few rows back, hoping that I'll be able to sit AND see, choosy fan that I am.
The latest bout of selfishness is from parents who allow, even encourage, their secondary children to stand on their seats and the stewards who allow it. I worked out recently that, in order to see over the 'child' in front of me, I'd need to be taller than Asmir. Unfortunately, I'm not and therefore had to move, at half time.
So am I pleased, when there is an upper tier? Not necessarily. If I book by phone, during the first minute of ticket sales, which I've tried several times this season, I still can't acquire one in the front rows, as they appear to have been booked already! If it was by club employees, fair enough, as that's one of the perks. But that appears not to be the case. So there is again the risk of people standing in front of me and my having no choice but to stand, too, even when I had a problem leg, recently.
Sadly, it is those who never personally experience the misery of it - or of the post-match parking problem, - who choose to ignore them. Sadder still, is the fact that these problems are doubtless two of the reasons why some are choosing to stay home.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 19, 2014 17:42:13 GMT
Sitting away from home has become an increasing nightmare. As I don't like to be at pitch height, I select a few rows back, hoping that I'll be able to sit AND see, choosy fan that I am. The latest bout of selfishness is from parents who allow, even encourage, their secondary children to stand on their seats and the stewards who allow it. I worked out recently that, in order to see over the 'child' in front of me, I'd need to be taller than Asmir. Unfortunately, I'm not and therefore had to move, at half time. So am I pleased, when there is an upper tier? Not necessarily. If I book by phone, during the first minute of ticket sales, which I've tried several times this season, I still can't acquire one in the front rows, as they appear to have been booked already! If it was by club employees, fair enough, as that's one of the perks. But that appears not to be the case. So there is again the risk of people standing in front of me and my having no choice but to stand, too, even when I had a problem leg, recently. Sadly, it is those who never personally experience the misery of it - or of the post-match parking problem, - who choose to ignore them. Sadder still, is the fact that these problems are doubtless two of the reasons why some are choosing to stay home. I stand wherever possible. I have a season ticket on the back row and if I go to an away game I try and get seats (online) near the back so as not to block people that want to sit. Places like Everton I get seats near the front and just hope that people in front of me stand. If not then I stay seated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 18:03:26 GMT
I'm intending to buy a ST for next season. It will be the first time I will have had a ST since 06/07. If there had been a standing area at Stoke in that time, I wouldn't have waited so long for my next ST. I'm sure there's other supporters who would be willing to spend more money than they otherwise would if they were for a standing area.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 19, 2014 18:21:43 GMT
So, all you who want to stand, club together, take the money to Mr C & I'm sure he'll arrange an area for you. You wern't expecting him to pay for you, we're you? Indeed, who's ever heard of a business who wants to cater for its customers.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 19, 2014 18:27:44 GMT
Why not make the 3 open corners standing only?
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Post by JetBlack on Feb 19, 2014 19:38:54 GMT
Safe standing would work because every set of away fans that come to the Brit stand up and I have never heard of any of them either being ejected for persistant standing or injured when they've scored. Stoke fans that want to stand should have the chance to be allowed to, creating a safe standing area should be created to allow this. Something like the Stoke End Stand down at the Vic could work. The Boothen End down at the Brit would be the ideal place for a trial, just to see how and if it would work. Have the safe standing area from the front up to the top of the lower blocks adjacent to the big Browns advertising hoarding. This could be trialled using blocks 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24, or if that would be too much, try the lower parts of blocks 21, 22 and 23. If it doesn't work then at least it will have been tried.
This would mean contacting all of the fans that currently sit at the front of course, so this will not be a quick change by any means, if it was to take place that is...
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Post by bolders on Feb 19, 2014 19:41:23 GMT
We can only put stands in 2 of them corners due to the changing rooms and the boothern end will have to accommodate a tunnel for St John ambulance
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Post by jonnyp on Feb 19, 2014 20:32:42 GMT
So, all you who want to stand, club together, take the money to Mr C & I'm sure he'll arrange an area for you. You wern't expecting him to pay for you, we're you? Indeed, who's ever heard of a business who wants to cater for its customers. Businesses cater for their customers when it makes financial sense to do so - not just because they demand it. I haven't done the maths but I'm assuming Coates has
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Post by StokieSC on Feb 19, 2014 21:15:26 GMT
How did you all you 'sitters' cope at the Vic?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 19, 2014 21:26:16 GMT
Standing areas would be a huge step back into the past we don't need them and there's just no point. Gouranga.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 19, 2014 21:32:44 GMT
Standing areas would be a huge step back into the past we don't need them and there's just no point. Gouranga. What a load of claptrap. Germany are leading the way in world football. They make it work. It's all about money and PL Chairman not willing to spend any despite them rolling in it. It's got NOTHING to do with safety - why don't they stop people standing in seated areas which is infinitely more dangerous. Police should close stands - that will get their attention.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Feb 19, 2014 21:36:00 GMT
If you don't give the customers what they want then don't expect them to buy from you. Attendances will keep dropping until standing comes back. The penny will drop, eventually.
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Post by owdestokie on Feb 19, 2014 21:38:58 GMT
How did you all you 'sitters' cope at the Vic? No problem from Boothen Stand
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Post by owdestokie on Feb 19, 2014 21:49:50 GMT
Standing areas would be a huge step back into the past we don't need them and there's just no point. Gouranga. Albert. Personally I enjoy being seated (I'm an owde twat) and have done so since 74. I think the problem is that there was a knee jerk reaction to Hillsboro which set the template for the development of grounds since. Standing areas would be safe with regulated numbers, segregated areas etc. BUT that would require thinking and sincere customer collaboration which was, and is still not a primary focus of club chairman/directors. Until the paying customer makes a stand ( no pun intended) by not attending no change will be seriously considered
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