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Post by OldStokie on Jan 28, 2014 10:49:49 GMT
I remember thinking when we signed Kightly from Wolves that we'd bought the wrong player and should have bought Fletcher. I reckon he would be a decent buy if Hughes plays him in a system that works for him. It's the Cattermole link that worries me.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jan 28, 2014 10:50:07 GMT
Red card problems aside, Cattermole is exactly the sort of player our midfield is crying out for and would protect the back 4 and allow N'Zonzi and Ireland/Adam to flourish more than they can with Whelan in that position. As for the red cards - can anyone dig out the card stats for Cattermole during his time at Sunderland? I read somewhere that he had been down to 1 red per season in recent years, which is about par for the course for a holding midfielder. Fletcher as a straight swap for Crouch in our current system would not work - but with new options like Guidetti and Odemwingie (and hopefully, Agudelo next season) we might find it easier to play a system to accommodate him. I read on another thread that Cattermole had amassed seven reds to date, second highest in premier league ( and no, I can't recall who was first on the list). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 10:53:33 GMT
....Well....Sunderland have had such massive success with these two in the team , just like they did when they sold us Kenwyn Jones....
Go for eet I say.
Last one out switch the lights off.!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 28, 2014 10:54:43 GMT
Red card problems aside, Cattermole is exactly the sort of player our midfield is crying out for and would protect the back 4 and allow N'Zonzi and Ireland/Adam to flourish more than they can with Whelan in that position. As for the red cards - can anyone dig out the card stats for Cattermole during his time at Sunderland? I read somewhere that he had been down to 1 red per season in recent years, which is about par for the course for a holding midfielder. Fletcher as a straight swap for Crouch in our current system would not work - but with new options like Guidetti and Odemwingie (and hopefully, Agudelo next season) we might find it easier to play a system to accommodate him. I read on another thread that Cattermole had amassed seven reds to date, second highest in premier league ( and no, I can't recall who was first on the list). Yes, I knew that stat - which is why I am interested in whether his dismissal stats are improving which has been suggested elsewhere. If he is down to 1 red per season then, like I said, he is about par for the course for that position. |
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Post by meirparkpotter on Jan 28, 2014 10:57:42 GMT
Surely this deal means Crouch and Whelan are off? Would this be such a disaster given the short time we have left in the window if Crouch and Whelan are indeed going?...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 28, 2014 10:57:48 GMT
....Well....Sunderland have had such massive success with these two in the team , just like they did when they sold us Kenwyn Jones.... Go for eet I say. Last one out switch the lights off.! The same argument could be used for Newcastle not signing Remy from QPR and us not signing Huth from Middlesborough or Bego from Pompey. We really should be looking at players' ability rather than the ability of the teams they currently play for. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 11:01:21 GMT
Are we in a 'one horse' race for these two , like we were for Michael Owen ....?
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Post by burberrybassist on Jan 28, 2014 11:16:54 GMT
I'd like to see Cattermole as a replacement for Whelen (if Whelen is off) as he has a lot of fight in him which is what we need in midfield. Fletcher isn't as good as Crouch in my opinion but Crouch isn't getting any younger so if we were to sell and replace with Fletcher I couldn't grumble.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 28, 2014 11:30:48 GMT
....Well....Sunderland have had such massive success with these two in the team , just like they did when they sold us Kenwyn Jones.... Go for eet I say. Last one out switch the lights off.! The same argument could be used for Newcastle not signing Remy from QPR and us not signing Huth from Middlesborough or Bego from Pompey. We really should be looking at players' ability rather than the ability of the teams they currently play for. I normally agree with the argument that you can have excellent players in crap teams, because it's a team game after all and one or two players can't be solely responsible for a club's fortunes, but alarm bells always ring when the team hasn't actually gone down yet. Fair enough regarding Huth as Boro had already gone down, but teams who let players go in the middle of a relegation scrap... Well unless silly money comes in, it doesn't fill me with confidence. 5m each is overpriced but not silly. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 28, 2014 11:35:34 GMT
The same argument could be used for Newcastle not signing Remy from QPR and us not signing Huth from Middlesborough or Bego from Pompey. We really should be looking at players' ability rather than the ability of the teams they currently play for. I normally agree with the argument that you can have excellent players in crap teams, because it's a team game after all and one or two players can't be solely responsible for a club's fortunes, but alarm bells always ring when the team hasn't actually gone down yet. Fair enough regarding Huth as Boro had already gone down, but teams who let players go in the middle of a relegation scrap... Well unless silly money comes in, it doesn't fill me with confidence. 5m each is overpriced but not silly. Had Pompey gone down when we signed Bego? |
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Post by assburgers on Jan 28, 2014 11:36:23 GMT
Both players would be seen as a coup in my eyes especially Fletcher. Maybe some of you have got used to the fact that we havent had a striker who can find the goal on a regular basis and are frightened by the prospect of over emotion that a regular goal scoring striker brings.
Let it all out guys I say.
10 million would be a bargain and I cannot see it happening.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 28, 2014 11:40:12 GMT
I'd take Fletcher, 'Clatter'-mole can fuck right off though- what's he going to do, join the N40?
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Post by rockthecity on Jan 28, 2014 11:41:47 GMT
Fletcher would b a good buy, still unsure on cattermole though
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Post by barlow1 on Jan 28, 2014 11:45:56 GMT
People are saying Fletcher won't score as a lone striker and there's no sign of the formation changing but what's to say it won't? Maybe he's getting these players in to change the system. Just a thought...
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 28, 2014 11:46:09 GMT
I thought the idea of Cartwright and this whole new management team was that we'd be able to use his supposed expansive list of contacts to find gems from abroad.
Pretty sure Steven Fletcher and Lee Cattermole who ply their trade for Sunderlona on the Costa Del Tyneside don't fit into this category.
4 years ago if we were being linked with these pair, absolutely no problem, it was all about survival and they would have been quality additions to our squad, but now? In my eyes it's showing the ambition (Or rather, lack of) from the board and the manager, we won't progress in this league and become self-sufficient like Coatesy wants us to be if we keep paying over the odds for other peoples shit in this league.
We're owned by a man who runs a betting firm, it's time we took a few gambles ourselves.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 28, 2014 11:50:08 GMT
Just had a quick look at Cattermole's red cards since he joined Sunderland. These are the red cards in the Premier League per YEAR (not per season) since joining them.
2010 - 3
2011 - 0
2012 - 1
2013 - 1
2014 to date - 0
So, for what its worth, his record is improving.
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Post by assburgers on Jan 28, 2014 11:53:12 GMT
I thought the idea of Cartwright and this whole new management team was that we'd be able to use his supposed expansive list of contacts to find gems from abroad. Pretty sure Steven Fletcher and Lee Cattermole who ply their trade for Sunderlona on the Costa Del Tyneside don't fit into this category. 4 years ago if we were being linked with these pair, absolutely no problem, it was all about survival and they would have been quality additions to our squad, but now? In my eyes it's showing the ambition (Or rather, lack of) from the board and the manager, we won't progress in this league and become self-sufficient like Coatesy wants us to be if we keep paying over the odds for other peoples shit in this league. We're owned by a man who runs a betting firm, it's time we took a few gambles ourselves. Muniesa and Agedulo fit into this category surely? |
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Post by assburgers on Jan 28, 2014 11:55:06 GMT
Just had a quick look at Cattermole's red cards since he joined Sunderland. These are the red cards in the Premier League per YEAR (not per season) since joining them. 2010 - 3 2011 - 0 2012 - 1 2013 - 1 2014 to date - 0 So, for what its worth, his record is improving. That is right, it is nothing more than a reputation from that 2010 season and media hype. It seems that most stokies are buying it unfortunately and cannot look past that 2010 season and consider what an influential player has has been for Sunderland. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 28, 2014 11:58:09 GMT
I thought the idea of Cartwright and this whole new management team was that we'd be able to use his supposed expansive list of contacts to find gems from abroad. Pretty sure Steven Fletcher and Lee Cattermole who ply their trade for Sunderlona on the Costa Del Tyneside don't fit into this category. 4 years ago if we were being linked with these pair, absolutely no problem, it was all about survival and they would have been quality additions to our squad, but now? In my eyes it's showing the ambition (Or rather, lack of) from the board and the manager, we won't progress in this league and become self-sufficient like Coatesy wants us to be if we keep paying over the odds for other peoples shit in this league. We're owned by a man who runs a betting firm, it's time we took a few gambles ourselves. Muniesa and Agedulo fit into this category surely? Muniesa was a free agent but is the sort of signing I was hoping we'd be making more of over the summer, and the farce that is surrounding Agudelo's work permit means we'll have to wait until the summer to see if it was a shrewd move. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 12:07:35 GMT
I,m not really impressed at all. The signings are mediocre, to say the least. Guidetti might be o.k., but city will want him back. Like I say, not impressed. Seems to be a complete lack of ambition at the club. IMHO, we should be bringing players in, who are young, with the ability to bring them on. I am now really beginning to think that we will be very lucky to stay up.
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 28, 2014 12:32:10 GMT
HELLLOOOOO ! They just got to Wembley…do you HONESTLY think they'll move before getting the chance of picking up a medal? And don't come back to me with "well XXXX moved before a final" - that doesn't wash with me This stories a bigger loadobollox than 'buster gonad and his unfeasibly large testicles' GOD SOME PEOPLE ARE THICK ON HERE You'll eventually make a real fool of yourself adopting that attitude. Of course Cattermole and Fletcher would want to be part of a Cup Final squad but if Poyet and the Sunderland Management team decide they need to be off loaded to balance the wage bill for incoming players you do not really think that Cattermole and Fletcher will have a say. Drag their feet and they will certainly be excluded from the Final squad. There is every chance that they will be sold to another side! |
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Post by cartman123 on Jan 28, 2014 12:43:24 GMT
Only at Stoke eh. No different from Crouch and Palacios. No fucking pace!! If they're so good why have Sunderland been below us all season despite us being shite.
I'm done if this is true.
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Post by werrington on Jan 28, 2014 12:47:48 GMT
Only at Stoke eh. No different from Crouch and Palacios. No fucking pace!! If they're so good why have Sunderland been below us all season despite us being shite. I'm done if this is true. You may have a point re pace BUT........who the hell are you expecting us to buy players from ? Don't say Europe because using your logic are you aware they may be playing at a standard below Sunderland Have a think eh |
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 28, 2014 13:46:32 GMT
If Hughes wants to change the look of the team, why doesn't he get rid of crouch, Walters and whelan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 15:03:54 GMT
Like I say, smacks of a complete lack of ambition. More middle of the road journeymen, as if we,ve not got enough already!
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Post by Stoke711 on Jan 28, 2014 15:08:41 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 28, 2014 15:09:40 GMT
we should be bringing players in, who are young, with the ability to bring them on. A bit like Arnautovic, Muniesa and Pieters then? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 28, 2014 15:11:18 GMT
No, silly me, us stoke fans only want to give them a couple of games and if they don't perform, boo the fuckers outta town.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 15:55:31 GMT
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Post by padders01 on Jan 28, 2014 16:13:21 GMT
@optajoe: 58 - Lee Cattermole is the only player to have played fewer than 200 PL games but have more than 50 yellow cards. Robust.
Leave well alone
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