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Post by jarvinski on Jan 28, 2014 9:22:24 GMT
According to ssn now, for a combined fee of 10 million, some fucker has lost the plot here
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 9:25:33 GMT
Paper talk.
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Post by agingerstokie on Jan 28, 2014 9:26:57 GMT
I honestly think Fletcher would do well here.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 28, 2014 9:29:56 GMT
Certainly not the type of characters I'm impressed by , heard this one yesterday so it's being thought about , feels like Hughes signings from last season at QPR but we will know by Friday I guess and can see how we go from there .
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Post by dexter97 on Jan 28, 2014 9:31:56 GMT
PLINBT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 28, 2014 9:32:04 GMT
Better than what we have at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 9:32:04 GMT
Two turds offered on one shovel.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 28, 2014 9:32:59 GMT
I honestly think Fletcher would do well here. Not in the current system he wouldn't.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 28, 2014 9:35:17 GMT
I think both have ability but I fear for our team spirit with the type of people Hughes seems attracted to and we will need that as much as ability to stay up , also I can't see Fletcher doing much more as a lone striker than Crouch , would score a few in a 4-4-2 but no sign of that yet from Hughes this season
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 9:42:11 GMT
Better than what we have at the moment. Not in a 451 they aren't.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 28, 2014 9:43:59 GMT
Cattermole is just what we want and lack.....a midfield terrior!
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jan 28, 2014 9:44:04 GMT
no point signing fletcher if not going to play 2 up top,
Cattermole might add a bit of fight to the team which we are clearly lacking at the moment
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Post by dexter97 on Jan 28, 2014 9:47:11 GMT
According to ssn now, for a combined fee of 10 million, some fucker has lost the plot here I think (and sincerely hope) that this is utter bollocks. Double what Leslie's spent to date on this pair? Add it to the £8m we gave them for Collins and Deano, and you can't help but wonder what magical hallucinatory spell the Mackems are weaving in their business deals with Stoke. At £5m it'd be believable. I'd certainly take Cattermole for £3m.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 9:50:24 GMT
When thinking about Steven Fletcher and where he'd fit in if we did sign him, all i have are visions of him struggling in the role Crouch is currently occupying. Holding the ball up, passing it into midfield or out wide, then we lose it. Winning flick on's when he's the furthest Stoke City player forward so the ball travels safely into the opposition goalkeepers arms. Knocking the ball down for nobody because everyone's sat so deep and we have 1 striker, him. Then when a chance occurs, trying to get into the box asap only to be either treading water or find out the cross has hit the first man AGAIN.
So all those visions aren't actually Crouch or would be Fletcher's fault, they're the fault of the rest of our "attacking" players.
I think Steven Fletcher is a good player to be honest and i wouldn't be against having him here at all, but the way we're playing and set-up at the moment means that i can't see him getting that much joy unfortunately.
Stick him up there in place of Crouch and we have the same issues that i've mentioned. He's probably not really the type of player that we need, unless we feel that we need someone to replace Crouch but even then i'd rather see a pacy, tricky player who is playing off the shoulder of the defence leading the line for us, not somebody who gets the majority of his goal from crosses into the box.
In fact if you take a gander at this video of his goals in the 2012/13 season, the large majority come from crosses into the box, across the face of goal that he puts into the net, or "long balls" that he latches onto and scores from 10 yards out. Kinda like the goals Crouch scores (his Man City blockbuster aside)
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 28, 2014 9:50:23 GMT
They're just taking it from the Mail.
And, let's be fair, Sunderland paid £18m for the two of them.
And neither are regarded as bad players up there, especially Fletcher who's got a very, very respectable record. Just not sure he's what we need as a lone front man.
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 28, 2014 9:52:26 GMT
Cattermole is just what we want and lack.....a midfield terrior! My worry would be the fact he has been sent off for a lot for rash tackles but also some time due to reputation, add that to him playing for us and the biased perception Refs have in our games he woul be lucky to get through a game.
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Post by foster on Jan 28, 2014 9:54:03 GMT
PLINBT? Please Lord, I Need a Bigger Todger? What's that got to do with anything? Anyway, I think it's a decent buy. More competition and I suspect SF will suit our system better. How old are both these players btw?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 28, 2014 9:55:12 GMT
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Post by RAF on Jan 28, 2014 9:55:26 GMT
This has Crouch and Palacios written all over it. The difference being Palacios has more pitch time as Clattermole doesn't last that long before he's been in a potential leg breaker and sent off. In fact I'd rather we spent 10 mill on either Ince or Rhodes even though neither of them are worth that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 9:58:04 GMT
PLINBT? Please Lord, I Need a Bigger Todger? What's that got to do with anything? Anyway, I think it's a decent buy. More competition and I suspect SF will suit our system better. How old are both these players btw? Cattermole is 25 and Fletcher is 26.
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Post by RAF on Jan 28, 2014 9:59:37 GMT
PLINBT? Please Lord, I Need a Bigger Todger? What's that got to do with anything? Anyway, I think it's a decent buy. More competition and I suspect SF will suit our system better. How old are both these players btw? Cattermole is 25 and Fletcher is 26. Cattermole is 25 and coincidentally that is how many red cards he's had in the last few years! H
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Post by Pirate on Jan 28, 2014 10:01:22 GMT
This has Crouch and Palacios written all over it. The difference being Palacios has more pitch time as Clattermole doesn't last that long before he's been in a potential leg breaker and sent off. In fact I'd rather we spent 10 mill on either Ince or Rhodes even though neither of them are worth that. H Apart from they are both mid 20's,Cattermole still has the physical ability to play football & we wouldnt pay anywhere near £20mil for them? That aside i do see what your saying but my feeling is these two would represent much better value if at all weare in for them?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jan 28, 2014 10:05:01 GMT
So we apparently have this worldwide scouting network under the invisible Mr Cartwright and where do we apparently end up, bloody Sunderland again. The same Sunderland who, with these players, have been in the bottom 3 all season. If there is anything in this, then I suggest Mr Coates needs to look long and hard at his "scouting" team, sack the lot of them and just send Les and Co up to Sunderland twice a year, July and January, to take his pick and continue to line Sunderland's pockets on a standing order, because it seems to be his favourite prefered source for some strange reason. Have they learned nothing from our most expensive signing from there? The Mackems must be laughing their socks off.
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Post by foster on Jan 28, 2014 10:06:47 GMT
PLINBT? Please Lord, I Need a Bigger Todger? What's that got to do with anything? Anyway, I think it's a decent buy. More competition and I suspect SF will suit our system better. How old are both these players btw? Cattermole is 25 and Fletcher is 26. So we can assume that they have their best years ahead of them still. For 10m I think it's a decent bit of business and will at least reinforce the team and give us more competition for places. Fletcher, Guidetti, Crouch and PO up front. Not bad options providing we can get the system right. In fact, I'd say that its been a good window if we only spend 10m, based on what we've brought in... if this happens.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 28, 2014 10:11:06 GMT
HELLLOOOOO !
They just got to Wembley…do you HONESTLY think they'll move before getting the chance of picking up a medal?
And don't come back to me with "well XXXX moved before a final" - that doesn't wash with me
This stories a bigger loadobollox than 'buster gonad and his unfeasibly large testicles'
GOD SOME PEOPLE ARE THICK ON HERE
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 10:23:56 GMT
10mil. No thank you, bye!
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Post by salopstick on Jan 28, 2014 10:28:45 GMT
HELLLOOOOO ! They just got to Wembley…do you HONESTLY think they'll move before getting the chance of picking up a medal? And don't come back to me with "well XXXX moved before a final" - that doesn't wash with me This stories a bigger loadobollox than 'buster gonad and his unfeasibly large testicles' GOD SOME PEOPLE ARE THICK ON HERE Danny graham spunked a certain league cup winners medal These two would be getting a spunking by man city
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 28, 2014 10:35:36 GMT
HELLLOOOOO ! They just got to Wembley…do you HONESTLY think they'll move before getting the chance of picking up a medal? And don't come back to me with "well XXXX moved before a final" - that doesn't wash with me This stories a bigger loadobollox than 'buster gonad and his unfeasibly large testicles' GOD SOME PEOPLE ARE THICK ON HERE Danny graham spunked a certain league cup winners medal These two would be getting a spunking by man city I rest my case m'lud !!
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 28, 2014 10:43:16 GMT
Beginning to get worried about the character of player that Hughes is attracted to. Pulis was attracted to some that made unfortunate decisions but were looking to get back on track (e.g. Etherington, Fuller) or at least said they were (e.g. Pennant)and he gave them a chance to get back on track. Hughes had issues at ManC and at QPR the type of characters there took the club down. He made the mistake, like loads of other managars, of bringing back Pennant (great player when he wants to be but a nob), then there is Arnautovic, Ireland, Odemwinge and now Clattermole. Hopefully Ireland is bright enough to realise what a nob he was as he can be a cracking player. As someone already alluded to, under Pulis we had not the most talented but at least an annoyingly stubborn and close knit team with a siege mentality that didn't like to get beat, players that like the supporters had toughed it out, gone though the mill and were at least in it together. Not so sure about the character of these guys and whether there is that same cohesion. Hopefully it works out and we can hail Hughes as a genius.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 28, 2014 10:43:56 GMT
Red card problems aside, Cattermole is exactly the sort of player our midfield is crying out for and would protect the back 4 and allow N'Zonzi and Ireland/Adam to flourish more than they can with Whelan in that position.
As for the red cards - can anyone dig out the card stats for Cattermole during his time at Sunderland? I read somewhere that he had been down to 1 red per season in recent years, which is about par for the course for a holding midfielder.
Fletcher as a straight swap for Crouch in our current system would not work - but with new options like Guidetti and Odemwingie (and hopefully, Agudelo next season) we might find it easier to play a system to accommodate him.
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