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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:11:42 GMT
I wonder what colour the four players were? Quick send an email to Sol Campbell, he will investigate this matter on your behalf.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 3, 2014 15:14:48 GMT
I wonder what colour the four players were? Quick send an email to Sol Campbell, he will investigate this matter on your behalf. I was thinking about that society of black lawyers chap. He seems a level headed type of a guy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:16:09 GMT
The police dont have 'every right to stop and conduct random testing'. In order to request a breath test, the driver must have either: 1. committed a moving traffic offence; 2. been involved in an accident which the police were called to; or 3. have given police grounds to suspect they are above the legal limit. Police do have the right to ask drivers to pull over and ask a simple question of 'have you been drinking?'. If they say yes, then this can be interpreted as giving sufficient reason to request a breath test. If they say no and there is no visible or other sign of being over the limit, then they cannot make somebody give a breath test. Of course, anybody who does drive over the limit is an absolute cocksucker and I'm certainly not going to argue on that perspective! I can appreciate why you would highlight the Luke McCormick case and ask why people shouldn't be forced to give random breath tests - I'll raise that by saying that we should have a fundamental right to not be assumed guilty before being proven as such and police have the requirement to have reason to assume potential guilt before they take action. There is always a very fine balance that has to be struck between protecting the safety of the public and protecting the rights of individuals. It's a balance that no government in history, present or future will ever get right to a consistent standard and to the satisfaction of all. In fact, you'll find that current states which grant far more power to the police are commonly criticised by the West for not having principals of freedom. Further, once you start granting that level of authority, its open to far more abuse by those in the 'right' position. If you do it for drink driving, you do it for everything so how far do you go? Some good points. There is a balance to be had, and as we've seen in the past and also regarding ongoing things, just as some individuals are rogues, so are a few policemen. However, on both sides, they're not the common denominator of either group. I think it all began to go wrong when Maggie used the police for her political ends and devastated whole communities. Since then there has been no trust and no coming together of either side. It isn't helped when you get scandals like Hillsborough and also how the police treat nogger fans. I was even batoned myself by them in the concourse coming out of the Wigan ground years ago having done absolutely nothing wrong. Things like that stick in the craw and set a stereotype, so I do understand why some people will criticise them every chance they get. But they are the thin blue line between society and anarchy. OS. OS. Agreed on most of that - though I can't say anything about what happened when Maggie was around as I was too young to know myself and havent read enough to pass off a judgement as 'my' opinion on it. One of the very sad things nowadays is that you get quite a few who see any member of the public assisting the police as a grass and get all sorts of vile thrown their way. They certainly see it as an 'us vs them' thing, when it should all be about fair and decent members of the public playing their equal part in reporting things instead of protecting those who have done wrong. I've plenty to say on my views of the legal system and its flaws, but I certainly wont berate any officer who does their job properly and in accordance with their oath and back to my point that no legal system has ever or will ever be considered fair and just in everybodys eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:19:43 GMT
You can stop any motor under section 163 of the Road Traffic Act without reason, for a document check. Then, if you smell or suspect alcohol, then that's your reasonable grounds to request a breath test. Also, random breath test operations can be set up with management authority. I honestly can't believe some of things I have on this thread, I've even read someone defending drivers who are drunk from the night before. Fortunately for him, he'll never have to attend the scene of a fatal RTC and scoop up the remains of someone that's been hit by a drunk driver. Also, for anyone who thinks all Police cars have ANPR technology, then I'm sorry but you're very much mistaken. For everyone jumping on the hate wagon, you want to try policing for a day on response, then come back with your "opinion" after. We work bloody hard to keep everyone safe whilst having the smallest number of officers in decades. We walk towards situations that most people want to walk away from, often with no meal break and no back up at our side. Police are human and yes, sometimes mistakes are made but when they are, we are accountable for our actions. Our bobbies are amongst the best in the world and if you think differently then I suggest you do a bit of research into foreign forces and see how they respond to crime. Unfortunately for us, only negative press gets reported. This was a positive bit of Policing that has been turned into negative press, as a couple of Stoke players they're above the law. If this was as you say a positive piece of policing why have Staffordshire Police apologised for it , I am not and would not ever defend anyone who drives under the influence or alcohol or any other substance that is likely to impair their ability to drive in a safe and proper manner. I appreciate that the job the police carry out is at times difficult, saying that the salary and the T's & C's are very good compared to most of the working public in this country, do not try telling me that these are a major factor for joining the Police Service. As for walking towards situations that other people would walk away from ! quite frankly that is what you are paid for is it not, you chose this career path and you did so knowing full well the duties that it would be likely to involve, same goes for other services such as the fire service etc. Lots of people work bloody hard doing the job they are paid to do that is life. I was earning more money as a bench caster on Royal Doultons 20years ago than I do now. With an average 50+ hr week now working 3 shifts compared with a 39hr week then and as for T's & C's they are and have changed many loosing several thousands of pounds a year but as you say still very good. So dont believe the hype that it's awesome becase it's not.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 3, 2014 15:34:02 GMT
If this was as you say a positive piece of policing why have Staffordshire Police apologised for it , I am not and would not ever defend anyone who drives under the influence or alcohol or any other substance that is likely to impair their ability to drive in a safe and proper manner. I appreciate that the job the police carry out is at times difficult, saying that the salary and the T's & C's are very good compared to most of the working public in this country, do not try telling me that these are a major factor for joining the Police Service. As for walking towards situations that other people would walk away from ! quite frankly that is what you are paid for is it not, you chose this career path and you did so knowing full well the duties that it would be likely to involve, same goes for other services such as the fire service etc. Lots of people work bloody hard doing the job they are paid to do that is life. I was earning more money as a bench caster on Royal Doultons 20years ago than I do now. With an average 50+ hr week now working 3 shifts compared with a 39hr week then and as for T's & C's they are and have changed many loosing several thousands of pounds a year but as you say still very good. So dont believe the hype that it's awesome becase it's not. I left the Army more than 20 years ago and have, to this day, never earned as much as I was on back then. I now work a 60 hour week, have no real pension provision (only just introduced, and far too late for me). I currently earn far less than I did 20 odd years ago and haven't had a rise for 4 years. It's a tough job is policing but, if you're going down the road of 'over-worked and under-paid' I fear you are on a very sticky wicket. IMO those who choose to police our society are well rewarded (and rightly so).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:35:09 GMT
If this was as you say a positive piece of policing why have Staffordshire Police apologised for it , I am not and would not ever defend anyone who drives under the influence or alcohol or any other substance that is likely to impair their ability to drive in a safe and proper manner. I appreciate that the job the police carry out is at times difficult, saying that the salary and the T's & C's are very good compared to most of the working public in this country, do not try telling me that these are a major factor for joining the Police Service. As for walking towards situations that other people would walk away from ! quite frankly that is what you are paid for is it not, you chose this career path and you did so knowing full well the duties that it would be likely to involve, same goes for other services such as the fire service etc. Lots of people work bloody hard doing the job they are paid to do that is life. I was earning more money as a bench caster on Royal Doultons 20years ago than I do now. With an average 50+ hr week now working 3 shifts compared with a 39hr week then and as for T's & C's they are and have changed many loosing several thousands of pounds a year but as you say still very good. So dont believe the hype that it's awesome becase it's not. I was also earning more money 20 years ago than I am now as a steel erector, I have a family member who is in the service, I know pretty much they earn plus the overtime rates , do not try and plead poverty, what is the average retirement age for a police officer please enlighten us, very generous pensions as well, so you joined for other reasons than those already mentioned ?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:44:32 GMT
"We have got to do everything we can to regain the trust of the club."
This line alone to me says that there is a case to answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:51:37 GMT
"We have got to do everything we can to regain the trust of the club." This line alone to me says that there is a case to answer. Once they have regained the trust of the club they could try regaining the trust of the public perhaps, that statement doesn't sound like the exercise was indeed as claimed a piece of positive policing, they score more own goals than Jon Walters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 16:06:14 GMT
I was earning more money as a bench caster on Royal Doultons 20years ago than I do now. With an average 50+ hr week now working 3 shifts compared with a 39hr week then and as for T's & C's they are and have changed many loosing several thousands of pounds a year but as you say still very good. So dont believe the hype that it's awesome becase it's not. I was also earning more money 20 years ago than I am now as a steel erector, I have a family member who is in the service, I know pretty much they earn plus the overtime rates , do not try and plead poverty, what is the average retirement age for a police officer please enlighten us, very generous pensions as well, so you joined for other reasons than those already mentioned ?. Overtime rates are what ? Ask your family member if they have changed ? At no point did I say it was not well paid or plead poverty so another agenda maybe ? I happen to prefer my home life so overtime is just that. Now then pensions yep good deal but I pay for it on average £400+ a month it's not given to me. When I retire I will be 61 yrs old fella now you go stand up Hanley on a Friday night at that age, I am fast approaching 50 atm. You may know what your family friend earns not me pal so dunna go there another sweeping " I know because I was told" with no idea what your actualy talking about. Why did I join to provide for my family mate when Doultons went tits up as everyone else does, mortage, kids bills same as everyone. I'm not special just a normal bloke doing a job.At the end of your working day can you go home ? I cant if needed no matter what I have to do like picking me kids up from school or whatever. Come stand next to me anytime pal then tell me it's a piece of piss for the money they give me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 16:21:27 GMT
I was also earning more money 20 years ago than I am now as a steel erector, I have a family member who is in the service, I know pretty much they earn plus the overtime rates , do not try and plead poverty, what is the average retirement age for a police officer please enlighten us, very generous pensions as well, so you joined for other reasons than those already mentioned ?. Overtime rates are what ? Ask your family member if they have changed ? At no point did I say it was not well paid or plead poverty so another agenda maybe ? I happen to prefer my home life so overtime is just that. Now then pensions yep good deal but I pay for it on average £400+ a month it's not given to me. When I retire I will be 61 yrs old fella now you go stand up Hanley on a Friday night at that age, I am fast approaching 50 atm. You may know what your family friend earns not me pal so dunna go there another sweeping " I know because I was told" with no idea what your actualy talking about. Why did I join to provide for my family mate when Doultons went tits up as everyone else does, mortage, kids bills same as everyone. I'm not special just a normal bloke doing a job.At the end of your working day can you go home ? I cant if needed no matter what I have to do like picking me kids up from school or whatever. Come stand next to me anytime pal then tell me it's a piece of piss for the money they give me. Where did I state it's a piece of piss ?, personally I would never dream of taking employment as a Police Officer no matter what my financial situation was, for the record I will be 67 when I retire so the extra hours you put in when required will never add up to the extra six years I will be doing until I retire pal.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 3, 2014 16:25:13 GMT
I was also earning more money 20 years ago than I am now as a steel erector, I have a family member who is in the service, I know pretty much they earn plus the overtime rates , do not try and plead poverty, what is the average retirement age for a police officer please enlighten us, very generous pensions as well, so you joined for other reasons than those already mentioned ?. Overtime rates are what ? Ask your family member if they have changed ? At no point did I say it was not well paid or plead poverty so another agenda maybe ? I happen to prefer my home life so overtime is just that. Now then pensions yep good deal but I pay for it on average £400+ a month it's not given to me. When I retire I will be 61 yrs old fella now you go stand up Hanley on a Friday night at that age, I am fast approaching 50 atm. You may know what your family friend earns not me pal so dunna go there another sweeping " I know because I was told" with no idea what your actualy talking about. Why did I join to provide for my family mate when Doultons went tits up as everyone else does, mortage, kids bills same as everyone. I'm not special just a normal bloke doing a job.At the end of your working day can you go home ? I cant if needed no matter what I have to do like picking me kids up from school or whatever. Come stand next to me anytime pal then tell me it's a piece of piss for the money they give me. I'm sure you work hard for your money mate, just as the rest of us do. I think the Police deserve decent pay, conditions and pensions and they get that (rightly so). It's just this "less than I earned on Doultons" stuff doesn't cut any ice with the millions that earn so much less and no-one gives a toss about them. As I said earlier I earned more in the Army than I have in the 20 odd years since and have worked on DOULTONS (you must have been there - 1991) followed by several years as a charity worker and then in security. I was a labourer on Doultons earning a fraction of the money casters were paid. I think I've done a great deal of Public Service work in my time (some 22 years all told) and have never really earned a living wage other than my Army years. I don't cry about it and I'm not doing that now. I think you fully deserve what you are paid but this country is full of people who are just as public spirited, work just as hard, do just as many hours, and have the same balancing act (time-management) that you have and are paid (in comparison) a pittance. Good luck to you but, just don't expect too much sympathy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 16:29:27 GMT
I was waiting for horseshit like that to pop up.
There's always been a layer of society that don't like the police and it's usually the same fucking hypocrites that treat the police like shit and behave like tossers but then magically turn to the police when in need.
Never mind, blaming Thatcher and the miner's strike is another excuse for the fuckwitts of society to use whenever they're on the wrong side of the law. It's just another excuse in the big collection that most Labour voters have to help them cope with life and blame every fucker else.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 3, 2014 16:35:31 GMT
I was waiting for horseshit like that to pop up. There's always been a layer of society that don't like the police and it's usually the same fucking hypocrites that treat the police like shit and behave like tossers but then magically turn to the police when in need. Never mind, blaming Thatcher and the miner's strike is another excuse for the fuckwitts of society to use whenever they're on the wrong side of the law. It's just another excuse in the big collection that most Labour voters have to help them cope with life and blame every fucker else. We all have an opinion but just what is wrong with what he said/ Thatcher DID use the Police and devide communities. He was just saying that this was a contributory factor in building fences between the Police and the general public. I don't see that he was excusing any kind of thuggish behaviour by anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 16:37:35 GMT
Overtime rates are what ? Ask your family member if they have changed ? At no point did I say it was not well paid or plead poverty so another agenda maybe ? I happen to prefer my home life so overtime is just that. Now then pensions yep good deal but I pay for it on average £400+ a month it's not given to me. When I retire I will be 61 yrs old fella now you go stand up Hanley on a Friday night at that age, I am fast approaching 50 atm. You may know what your family friend earns not me pal so dunna go there another sweeping " I know because I was told" with no idea what your actualy talking about. Why did I join to provide for my family mate when Doultons went tits up as everyone else does, mortage, kids bills same as everyone. I'm not special just a normal bloke doing a job.At the end of your working day can you go home ? I cant if needed no matter what I have to do like picking me kids up from school or whatever. Come stand next to me anytime pal then tell me it's a piece of piss for the money they give me. I'm sure you work hard for your money mate, just as the rest of us do. I think the Police deserve decent pay, conditions and pensions and they get that (rightly so). It's just this "less than I earned on Doultons" stuff doesn't cut any ice with the millions that earn so much less and no-one gives a toss about them. As I said earlier I earned more in the Army than I have in the 20 odd years since and have worked on DOULTONS (you must have been there - 1991) followed by several years as a charity worker and then in security. I was a labourer on Doultons earning a fraction of the money casters were paid. I think I've done a great deal of Public Service work in my time (some 22 years all told) and have never really earned a living wage other than my Army years. I don't cry about it and I'm not doing that now. I think you fully deserve what you are paid but this country is full of people who are just as public spirited, work just as hard, do just as many hours, and have the same balancing act (time-management) that you have and are paid (in comparison) a pittance. Good luck to you but, just don't expect too much sympathy. Not asking for any but I'm the same person I was on Nile Street (started in 1984) and Churchbank and all of a sudden I'm an overpaid twat to some, on Doultons you should know some of the wages paid I was piece work and was on a cracking wage in particlar Churchbank. And as I stated the pensions have changed but hey dunna let some folk slagging a guy off get in the way of any facts just because it suits.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 3, 2014 16:51:23 GMT
I'm sure you work hard for your money mate, just as the rest of us do. I think the Police deserve decent pay, conditions and pensions and they get that (rightly so). It's just this "less than I earned on Doultons" stuff doesn't cut any ice with the millions that earn so much less and no-one gives a toss about them. As I said earlier I earned more in the Army than I have in the 20 odd years since and have worked on DOULTONS (you must have been there - 1991) followed by several years as a charity worker and then in security. I was a labourer on Doultons earning a fraction of the money casters were paid. I think I've done a great deal of Public Service work in my time (some 22 years all told) and have never really earned a living wage other than my Army years. I don't cry about it and I'm not doing that now. I think you fully deserve what you are paid but this country is full of people who are just as public spirited, work just as hard, do just as many hours, and have the same balancing act (time-management) that you have and are paid (in comparison) a pittance. Good luck to you but, just don't expect too much sympathy. Not asking for any but I'm the same person I was on Nile Street (started in 1984) and Churchbank and all of a sudden I'm an overpaid twat to some, on Doultons you should know some of the wages paid I was piece work and was on a cracking wage in particlar Churchbank. And as I stated the pensions have changed but hey dunna let some folk slagging a guy off get in the way of any facts just because it suits. I also worked at both Churchbank and Nile Street (Churchbank back in 76). I think everyone on those places earned their money mate and you're not an "overpaid twat" in my eyes. The Police (by and large) do a good job and deserve the pay and conditions they earn. I fully understand your comment about you now earning less than you did back then but I'm just pointing out that (in that) you are in good company and some of us have NEVER really earned a decent wage. I was well paid in the Army because I reached the dizzy heights of Staff Sergeant but leaving the Army was a massive shock to us all (the family) because never again would we have anything other than a pretty meager life-style. In fairness, my HAPPIEST years were spent working for 'Help The Aged' (7 years) where I worked my nuts off for a pittance so I get where you're coming from. When it comes to pensions, most of us are up shit creek without a paddle and too old to do anything about it, having never earned enough to make decent provision. Many of us are 'looking forward' to working until we are 66 - 70 so it's hard to see your situation as anything other than enviable mate, to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:14:28 GMT
I was waiting for horseshit like that to pop up. There's always been a layer of society that don't like the police and it's usually the same fucking hypocrites that treat the police like shit and behave like tossers but then magically turn to the police when in need. Never mind, blaming Thatcher and the miner's strike is another excuse for the fuckwitts of society to use whenever they're on the wrong side of the law. It's just another excuse in the big collection that most Labour voters have to help them cope with life and blame every fucker else. Margarat Thatcher used the police as a political weapon to help defeat the miners strike, I think that is a view that has been widely acknowledged by people from most political persuasions not just labour party supporters, she also had troops on stand by which we all knew but has only been admitted to officially this week. The fact is that the Police alienated themselves in many communities by their actions in that dispute, waving bulging pay packets in front of families of miners who were living on hand outs plus the goading about the pay they were receiving has stuck with many and will continue to do so with many within these areas, I suggest you go into these areas and talk to them about your views might help if you take a police escort.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 3, 2014 17:20:48 GMT
Overtime rates are what ? Ask your family member if they have changed ? At no point did I say it was not well paid or plead poverty so another agenda maybe ? I happen to prefer my home life so overtime is just that. Now then pensions yep good deal but I pay for it on average £400+ a month it's not given to me. When I retire I will be 61 yrs old fella now you go stand up Hanley on a Friday night at that age, I am fast approaching 50 atm. You may know what your family friend earns not me pal so dunna go there another sweeping " I know because I was told" with no idea what your actualy talking about. Why did I join to provide for my family mate when Doultons went tits up as everyone else does, mortage, kids bills same as everyone. I'm not special just a normal bloke doing a job.At the end of your working day can you go home ? I cant if needed no matter what I have to do like picking me kids up from school or whatever. Come stand next to me anytime pal then tell me it's a piece of piss for the money they give me. I'm sure you work hard for your money mate, just as the rest of us do. I think the Police deserve decent pay, conditions and pensions and they get that (rightly so). It's just this "less than I earned on Doultons" stuff doesn't cut any ice with the millions that earn so much less and no-one gives a toss about them. As I said earlier I earned more in the Army than I have in the 20 odd years since and have worked on DOULTONS (you must have been there - 1991) followed by several years as a charity worker and then in security. I was a labourer on Doultons earning a fraction of the money casters were paid. I think I've done a great deal of Public Service work in my time (some 22 years all told) and have never really earned a living wage other than my Army years. I don't cry about it and I'm not doing that now. I think you fully deserve what you are paid but this country is full of people who are just as public spirited, work just as hard, do just as many hours, and have the same balancing act (time-management) that you have and are paid (in comparison) a pittance. Good luck to you but, just don't expect too much sympathy. In fairness I don't think he was asking for sympathy. He was just responding to stick he was getting for (quite foolishly) declaring he was old bill. I think the fact that having declared he was a cop, the stick he got is as good a reason as any as to why why the Police should be seen as a special case. Their lives are restricted, even their private lives. How many other occupations would have elicited that response on the Oatcake. Even the potential 'morning after' drunk driver got more sympathy.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 3, 2014 17:24:59 GMT
LG: It's a tough job mate, I know and they get my support MOST of the time. It was just the "earning less than 20 years ago" that made me respond.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 3, 2014 17:30:56 GMT
If you are a black person, you are at least six times as likely to be stopped and searched by the police in England and Wales as a white person. If you are Asian, you are around twice as likely to be stopped and searched as a white person. This is not a 'few rogue officers' or isolated incidents. Add this to allowing themselves to be used as Militia by right wing thugs, selling info for money to Murdoch journalists, Hillsborough and years of treating football supporters like second class citizens and you get a picture.
For the Police to get more faith and respect from the public, they really need to earn it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:35:48 GMT
I'm sure you work hard for your money mate, just as the rest of us do. I think the Police deserve decent pay, conditions and pensions and they get that (rightly so). It's just this "less than I earned on Doultons" stuff doesn't cut any ice with the millions that earn so much less and no-one gives a toss about them. As I said earlier I earned more in the Army than I have in the 20 odd years since and have worked on DOULTONS (you must have been there - 1991) followed by several years as a charity worker and then in security. I was a labourer on Doultons earning a fraction of the money casters were paid. I think I've done a great deal of Public Service work in my time (some 22 years all told) and have never really earned a living wage other than my Army years. I don't cry about it and I'm not doing that now. I think you fully deserve what you are paid but this country is full of people who are just as public spirited, work just as hard, do just as many hours, and have the same balancing act (time-management) that you have and are paid (in comparison) a pittance. Good luck to you but, just don't expect too much sympathy. In fairness I don't think he was asking for sympathy. He was just responding to stick he was getting for (quite foolishly) declaring he was old bill. I think the fact that having declared he was a cop, the stick he got is as good a reason as any as to why why the Police should be seen as a special case. Their lives are restricted, even their private lives. How many other occupations would have elicited that response on the Oatcake. Even the potential 'morning after' drunk driver got more sympathy. I may be missing something here but why are their lives restricted ?, do they have to live as recluses away from others etc., the fact that he declared his occupation is his business, in what way should he been seen as a special case ?, he has stated that he is a normal man just doing a job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:43:24 GMT
I'm sure you work hard for your money mate, just as the rest of us do. I think the Police deserve decent pay, conditions and pensions and they get that (rightly so). It's just this "less than I earned on Doultons" stuff doesn't cut any ice with the millions that earn so much less and no-one gives a toss about them. As I said earlier I earned more in the Army than I have in the 20 odd years since and have worked on DOULTONS (you must have been there - 1991) followed by several years as a charity worker and then in security. I was a labourer on Doultons earning a fraction of the money casters were paid. I think I've done a great deal of Public Service work in my time (some 22 years all told) and have never really earned a living wage other than my Army years. I don't cry about it and I'm not doing that now. I think you fully deserve what you are paid but this country is full of people who are just as public spirited, work just as hard, do just as many hours, and have the same balancing act (time-management) that you have and are paid (in comparison) a pittance. Good luck to you but, just don't expect too much sympathy. In fairness I don't think he was asking for sympathy. He was just responding to stick he was getting for (quite foolishly) declaring he was old bill. I think the fact that having declared he was a cop, the stick he got is as good a reason as any as to why why the Police should be seen as a special case. Their lives are restricted, even their private lives. How many other occupations would have elicited that response on the Oatcake. Even the potential 'morning after' drunk driver got more sympathy. Thanks I'm just a fan who supports my team as best I can since the 70's. I know in a way I'm privileged to some folk but in reality I'm a normal fella from Bentilee and some times on here the stick bobbies get is silly so I tried to give an alternative view.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:49:01 GMT
In fairness I don't think he was asking for sympathy. He was just responding to stick he was getting for (quite foolishly) declaring he was old bill. I think the fact that having declared he was a cop, the stick he got is as good a reason as any as to why why the Police should be seen as a special case. Their lives are restricted, even their private lives. How many other occupations would have elicited that response on the Oatcake. Even the potential 'morning after' drunk driver got more sympathy. I may be missing something here but why are their lives restricted ?, do they have to live as recluses away from others etc., the fact that he declared his occupation is his business, in what way should he been seen as a special case ?, he has stated that he is a normal man just doing a job. If you abuse folk on twitter, facebook or whatever thats fine my access is monitored and minor things are subject to misconduct, I go out people know or find out I'm a bobbie and all of a sudden I'm unpopular and at risk, you get drunk and get a bollocking off a bobbie thats it me different story. You pinch a mars bar get a bollocking I get the sack loose my job and go to jail. But as you said I knew that when I joined and I except I have to be pure as the driven snow or take the consequences. PS I find it a bit sad that It's foolish to say what I do for a living that sums things up nicely.
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Post by stokieforever on Jan 3, 2014 17:57:44 GMT
My opinion for what its worth is that footballers are not above the law and if any of our players are driving vehicles with no licences / insurance etc then they deserve everything they get,just like we would be punished. There is no reason for the police to apologise, Stoke should ensure their players / staff are aware.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:59:22 GMT
My opinion for what its worth is that footballers are not above the law and if any of our players are driving vehicles with no licences / insurance etc then they deserve everything they get,just like we would be punished. There is no reason for the police to apologise, Stoke should ensure their players / staff are aware. Back to the OP and this is where I stand spot on.
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 3, 2014 18:04:28 GMT
Did the police find any spots? ???
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 3, 2014 18:15:19 GMT
"We have got to do everything we can to regain the trust of the club." This line alone to me says that there is a case to answer. Absolutely
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 18:17:19 GMT
I may be missing something here but why are their lives restricted ?, do they have to live as recluses away from others etc., the fact that he declared his occupation is his business, in what way should he been seen as a special case ?, he has stated that he is a normal man just doing a job. If you abuse folk on twitter, facebook or whatever thats fine my access is monitored and minor things are subject to misconduct, I go out people know or find out I'm a bobbie and all of a sudden I'm unpopular and at risk, you get drunk and get a bollocking off a bobbie thats it me different story. You pinch a mars bar get a bollocking I get the sack loose my job and go to jail. But as you said I knew that when I joined and I except I have to be pure as the driven snow or take the consequences. PS I find it a bit sad that It's foolish to say what I do for a living that sums things up nicely. Totally agree with you on this I can not see why it is foolish to declare your job, at least you have the bollocks to declare what you do but I do not agree that your life is restricted because you are a police officer, I do not abuse people via social media sites in fact I do not use them as I believe that it is a unsafe and unwise place to be messing around on, if I was you I would stick to the police intranet I believe that can be interesting for some. I think that your quote about getting a bollocking from a copper and that is it would be great if that were true, it used to be but not now there are a lot of young people out there with police records that will restrict their potion for the rest of their lives, a lot of these are for things that years ago when we were kids (yes I am about your age)would have been resolved with a good ticking off or a clip ;)from the local bobby. There is very little respect for the police now days, there seems to be little trust between the public and the police service, I am sorry but a good portion of this has been bought on by the police themselves, sorry to say that since a member of my family joined the police my opinion has changed completely, he did something that I will never forgive and never forget. I have lost all faith and trust and it is a sorry state.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 18:24:41 GMT
My opinion for what its worth is that footballers are not above the law and if any of our players are driving vehicles with no licences / insurance etc then they deserve everything they get,just like we would be punished. There is no reason for the police to apologise, Stoke should ensure their players / staff are aware. Fair enough but why did they issue a public apology if indeed they did nothing wrong ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 18:27:33 GMT
If you abuse folk on twitter, facebook or whatever thats fine my access is monitored and minor things are subject to misconduct, I go out people know or find out I'm a bobbie and all of a sudden I'm unpopular and at risk, you get drunk and get a bollocking off a bobbie thats it me different story. You pinch a mars bar get a bollocking I get the sack loose my job and go to jail. But as you said I knew that when I joined and I except I have to be pure as the driven snow or take the consequences. PS I find it a bit sad that It's foolish to say what I do for a living that sums things up nicely. Totally agree with you on this I can not see why it is foolish to declare your job, at least you have the bollocks to declare what you do but I do not agree that your life is restricted because you are a police officer, I do not abuse people via social media sites in fact I do not use them as I believe that it is a unsafe and unwise place to be messing around on, if I was you I would stick to the police intranet I believe that can be interesting for some. I think that your quote about getting a bollocking from a copper and that is it would be great if that were true, it used to be but not now there are a lot of young people out there with police records that will restrict their potion for the rest of their lives, a lot of these are for things that years ago when we were kids (yes I am about your age)would have been resolved with a good ticking off or a clip ;)from the local bobby. There is very little respect for the police now days, there seems to be little trust between the public and the police service, I am sorry but a good portion of this has been bought on by the police themselves, sorry to say that since a member of my family joined the police my opinion has changed completely, he did something that I will never forgive and never forget. I have lost all faith and trust and it is a sorry state. Fair do's mate good and bad in all walks of life I fully understand some don't like me for what I do just because, but I cant do the some things I used to do, I cant drink in some of my old boozers etc. Trust me I give plenty of bollockings out arresting a person for me is a last resort but on some things I do not get a choice I HAVE to or I get in the shit and I have done just that and had to answer to my bosses more than once.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 18:34:34 GMT
My opinion for what its worth is that footballers are not above the law and if any of our players are driving vehicles with no licences / insurance etc then they deserve everything they get,just like we would be punished. There is no reason for the police to apologise, Stoke should ensure their players / staff are aware. Fair enough but why did they issue a public apology if indeed they did nothing wrong ? Just because of pubic opinion and adverse reactions like on here, scared of usetting folk. I would not have done thats for sure makes the bobbies LOOK guilty of wrong doing which is poor, CMPG stopped cars dealt with traffic offences end of really storm in a tea cup.
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