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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 22:38:55 GMT
In the telegraph
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 22:40:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 27, 2013 22:40:49 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2013 22:48:27 GMT
Quite frankly he can shove any apology up his arse. He won't offer one though.
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Post by Gods on Dec 27, 2013 22:52:59 GMT
Sounds good but in all honesty Mike Riley gets about 3 of these letters a week. I imagine he has a more or less pro forma reply letter which he prints off on his old Epsom after first remembering to change the name and the address on the top. Revenge is a dish best served cold. When Atkinson is next at the Brit and in the return game with Newcastle  We won't get peace of mind any other way. |
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Post by onionman on Dec 27, 2013 22:53:45 GMT
Well done Peter Coates! Brilliantly put.
EDIT: and a very good piece by John Percy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 22:54:06 GMT
Will this just make us look like a bunch of mard arses? Sour grapes and all that.
If it forces the powers that be to review the game properly, maybe something could come from it all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 22:55:08 GMT
Sounds good but in all honesty Mike Riley gets about 3 of these letters a week. I imagine he has a more or less pro forma reply letter which he prints off on his old Epsom after first remembering to change the name and the address on the top. Revenge is a dish best served cold. When Atkinson is next at the Brit and in the return game with Newcastle We won't get peace of mind any other way. Yep. Just gotta hope we smash the Geordie fuckers off the pitch when we play em down here. |
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Post by sportsman on Dec 27, 2013 22:55:59 GMT
Peter read my post.
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Post by onionman on Dec 27, 2013 23:00:18 GMT
I dont't know why, but during the match all I could say was, "Coates has got to do something about this." And now he has. Somehow that make me feel a little bit better. Not much, just a tiny bit. |
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Post by sportsman on Dec 27, 2013 23:05:37 GMT
We need to put together all that atkinson has done against us since coming up rather than just the castle game or the media and so called experts will have a field day with us.
Someone email the club with all the stuff someone put together on here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 23:15:30 GMT
Will this just make us look like a bunch of mard arses? Sour grapes and all that. If it forces the powers that be to review the game properly, maybe something could come from it all. Lodging an official complaint about an abysmal, disorganised and incompetent display by an employee of the FA/PGMO is not an act that can rationally be challenged as being "mard arse" Players and managers occasionally get accused of bringing the game into disrepute, well i tell you something for nothing, referees and other officials are guilty of the same act themselves. However their punishments or lack thereof do not fit their crimes. The protection of officials is so nannyish that in and of itself is bring the game into disrepute. Managers nor players cannot even give a level-headed post-match response such as "i thought the referee today was poor and made bad decisions" without getting vilified and charged by this corrupt governing body. Any manager, team, club or set of supporters will be accused of "sour grapes" in these situations but that's part and parcel of the game and is irrelevant. If you choose to sit back and accept incompetency when it directly affects your livelihood and also that of your employers, employees and customers then you will always go under. Decisions by substandard officials end up costing not only the club money and stability but also that of the supporters who are the lifeblood of the game. |
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 27, 2013 23:16:01 GMT
This is the right course of action and a good strong statement by the club and Mr Coates.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 23:23:28 GMT
This complaint will stand or fall on the verdict of Poll and other senior match assessors after taking video evidence into consideration.
I suspect that the outcome will not be what most on here will want to hear.
Infact the whole exercise I expect to be counter productive in the long run. I'm not sure what we are seeking to achieve. Will it make any difference to the refereeing standards....Err NO.!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 23:27:40 GMT
Mumf I suspect they know little will be done except Atkinson won't ref us again this season is what it will achieve
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 23:27:54 GMT
This complaint will stand or fall on the verdict of Poll and other senior match assessors after taking video evidence into consideration. I suspect that the outcome will not be what most on here will not want to hear. Infact the whole exercise I expect to be counter productive in the long run. I'm not sure what we are seeking to achieve. Will it make any difference to the refereeing standards....Err NO.! It did when Pulis complained a few years ago when we were getting shafted week after week. After a very strong complaint, the fuckwittery largely stopped, and we've generally had a reasonable rub of the green since - comparatively speaking anyway. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 27, 2013 23:38:43 GMT
On the subject of dodgy decisions, what has Shane Warne got on his head while commentating on the cricket?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 23:44:35 GMT
I just hope we also look at ourselves as well...We do have a history of shirt pulling ( as do many more ) but I don't think we are a cynical malicious gang of thugs as many in the press like to portray.
Having said that , we are officially the dirtiest football team which in itself does not do us any favours in trying to put forward a case in relation to this complaint.
Many have already made their feelings clearly known in relation to my ''take on the situation , but I try my best to be fair and impartial. I think we were harshly treated on a number of occasions , but not as bad as many would imply or suggest.
Tazi has even suggested (and he's not on his own) that the ref is taking money ....well I'm sorry but that suggestion is both ridiculous and out of order.
The comments by Terry Conroy and Nigel Johnson after the game didn't help but to be fair did not suggest anything sinister or fradulent.
Overall ....I just hope we have learned our lesson of indiscipline which effectively cost us the game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 23:53:43 GMT
If he wasn't paid to do what he did, then maybe he shouldn't have waited until we'd scored before taking centre stage.
Whelan didn't help himself by giving the ref the opportunity to send him off, but let's face it, the ref would have sent him packing at some point. Take a look at some of the tackles carried out by players already on a yellow card in other games yesterday and then honestly tell me that whelan's 'foul' was worse than any of them. Cheating for money or not, it was cheating.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 0:01:30 GMT
If he wasn't paid to do what he did, then maybe he shouldn't have waited until we'd scored before taking centre stage. Whelan didn't help himself by giving the ref the opportunity to send him off, but let's face it, the ref would have sent him packing at some point. Take a look at some of the tackles carried out by players already on a yellow card in other games yesterday and then honestly tell me that whelan's 'foul' was worse than any of them. Cheating for money or not, it was cheating. Yes,,,You have just hit the nail on the head....The ref would have sent him packing at some point and the only thing that would have prevented this was to not take the course of action that Whelan took. Similarly , to prove the point even more ...and to ram it right down our throats he quickly sent Wilson off too. Video evidence will favour Atkinson on the Wilson decision I'm afraid. Emotions won't come into it I'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 0:04:22 GMT
Nicely put Sir Peter  |
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Dec 28, 2013 0:04:52 GMT
I just hope we also look at ourselves as well...We do have a history of shirt pulling ( as do many more ) but I don't think we are a cynical malicious gang of thugs as many in the press like to portray. Having said that , we are officially the dirtiest football team which in itself does not do us any favours in trying to put forward a case in relation to this complaint. Many have already made their feelings clearly known in relation to my ''take on the situation , but I try my best to be fair and impartial. I think we were harshly treated on a number of occasions , but not as bad as many would imply or suggest. Tazi has even suggested (and he's not on his own) that the ref is taking money ....well I'm sorry but that suggestion is both ridiculous and out of order. The comments by Terry Conroy and Nigel Johnson after the game didn't help but to be fair did not suggest anything sinister or fradulent. Overall ....I just hope we have learned our lesson of indiscipline which effectively cost us the game. Mumf I have to say that you take this seasons prize for persistence....of course you are entitled to your opinion, but ffs give it a rest now. Take up your points with Peter Coates and see what he has to say. What professional source declares us as 'the dirtiest football team'? I saw your link to some dodgy set of figures trying to equate yellow cards to dirty play, you simply cannot take this stuff seriously can you? Objective it isn't and it just seems to serve your own agenda very nicely here. I used to know a group of folks who believed (and probably still do) that the earth is flat and no amount of reasoned argument could change their minds. I suspect that you are in the same camp. The fact is the game yesterday was turned into a farce by one man alone (and not by our player's 'indiscipline' as you like to keep pointing out). |
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 28, 2013 0:10:33 GMT
This complaint will stand or fall on the verdict of Poll and other senior match assessors after taking video evidence into consideration. I suspect that the outcome will not be what most on here will want to hear. Infact the whole exercise I expect to be counter productive in the long run. I'm not sure what we are seeking to achieve. Will it make any difference to the refereeing standards....Err NO.! "Officially the dirtiest team in league" funny as  You ca retort with as many wanky little stats as you want at the end of the day they mean fuck all "Officially " Your self appointed bastion of the truth and pillar of integrity is boring as fuck and frankly bollocks ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 0:12:32 GMT
I just hope we also look at ourselves as well...We do have a history of shirt pulling ( as do many more ) but I don't think we are a cynical malicious gang of thugs as many in the press like to portray. Having said that , we are officially the dirtiest football team which in itself does not do us any favours in trying to put forward a case in relation to this complaint. Many have already made their feelings clearly known in relation to my ''take on the situation , but I try my best to be fair and impartial. I think we were harshly treated on a number of occasions , but not as bad as many would imply or suggest. Tazi has even suggested (and he's not on his own) that the ref is taking money ....well I'm sorry but that suggestion is both ridiculous and out of order. The comments by Terry Conroy and Nigel Johnson after the game didn't help but to be fair did not suggest anything sinister or fradulent. Overall ....I just hope we have learned our lesson of indiscipline which effectively cost us the game. Mumf I have to say that you take this seasons prize for persistence....of course you are entitled to your opinion, but ffs give it a rest now. Take up your points with Peter Coates and see what he has to say. What professional source declares us as 'the dirtiest football team'? I saw your link to some dodgy set of figures trying to equate yellow cards to dirty play, you simply cannot take this stuff seriously can you? Objective it isn't and it just seems to serve your own agenda very nicely here. I used to know a group of folks who believed (and probably still do) that the earth is flat and no amount of reasoned argument could change their minds. I suspect that you are in the same camp. The fact is the game yesterday was turned into a farce by one man alone (and not by our player's 'indiscipline' as you like to keep pointing out). My opinions are my own and I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm not seeking to win an argument either , but don't tell me to ''FFS GIVE IT A REST'' as this is an open forum and I have conducted myself far better than some on here. As for my agenda...I don't have one ....just common sense and fair play. The rest of submission not worthy of a sensible reply. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 0:13:49 GMT
Mumf I have to say that you take this seasons prize for persistence....of course you are entitled to your opinion, but ffs give it a rest now. Take up your points with Peter Coates and see what he has to say. What professional source declares us as 'the dirtiest football team'? I saw your link to some dodgy set of figures trying to equate yellow cards to dirty play, you simply cannot take this stuff seriously can you? Objective it isn't and it just seems to serve your own agenda very nicely here. I used to know a group of folks who believed (and probably still do) that the earth is flat and no amount of reasoned argument could change their minds. I suspect that you are in the same camp. The fact is the game yesterday was turned into a farce by one man alone (and not by our player's 'indiscipline' as you like to keep pointing out). My opinions are my own and I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm not seeking to win an argument either , but don't tell me to ''FFS GIVE IT A REST'' as this is an open forum and I have conducted myself far better than some on here. As for my agenda...I don't have one ....just common sense and fair play. The rest of submission not worthy of a sensible reply.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 0:15:16 GMT
This complaint will stand or fall on the verdict of Poll and other senior match assessors after taking video evidence into consideration. I suspect that the outcome will not be what most on here will want to hear. Infact the whole exercise I expect to be counter productive in the long run. I'm not sure what we are seeking to achieve. Will it make any difference to the refereeing standards....Err NO.! "Officially the dirtiest team in league" funny as (rolf) You ca retort with as many wanky little stats as you want at the end of the day they mean fuck all "Officially " (rolf) Your self appointed bastion of the truth and pillar of integrity is boring as fuck and frankly bollocks ! You make the points I've made above above far more tangible than I could have done on my own. Thanks & goodnight. mumf |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 0:16:40 GMT
If he wasn't paid to do what he did, then maybe he shouldn't have waited until we'd scored before taking centre stage. Whelan didn't help himself by giving the ref the opportunity to send him off, but let's face it, the ref would have sent him packing at some point. Take a look at some of the tackles carried out by players already on a yellow card in other games yesterday and then honestly tell me that whelan's 'foul' was worse than any of them. Cheating for money or not, it was cheating. Yes,,,You have just hit the nail on the head....The ref would have sent him packing at some point and the only thing that would have prevented this was to not take the course of action that Whelan took. Similarly , to prove the point even more ...and to ram it right down our throats he quickly sent Wilson off too. Video evidence will favour Atkinson on the Wilson decision I'm afraid. Emotions won't come into it I'm afraid. Whelan's a defensive midfielder. At some point he was going to have to tackle a Newcastle player who was going to go down like he'd been shot. The red card was always going to be produced. Like I've said, look at the reluctance to take action shown by other refs where a yellow had previously been shown. I'll give you the Wilson decision. It's just every other one I take issue with, and that includes the non-action over their fouls and diving that won't even be looked at. |
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Post by mailman44 on Dec 28, 2013 0:22:52 GMT
Well done by the club.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 28, 2013 0:24:11 GMT
"Officially the dirtiest team in league" funny as (rolf) You ca retort with as many wanky little stats as you want at the end of the day they mean fuck all "Officially " (rolf) Your self appointed bastion of the truth and pillar of integrity is boring as fuck and frankly bollocks ! You make the points I've made above above far more tangible than I could have done on my own. Thanks & goodnight. mumf Night night master of all knowledge, we shall all sleep better now we know the error of our ways and the enlightenment you have brought us over the past days !  |
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Dec 28, 2013 0:28:41 GMT
Mumf I have to say that you take this seasons prize for persistence....of course you are entitled to your opinion, but ffs give it a rest now. Take up your points with Peter Coates and see what he has to say. What professional source declares us as 'the dirtiest football team'? I saw your link to some dodgy set of figures trying to equate yellow cards to dirty play, you simply cannot take this stuff seriously can you? Objective it isn't and it just seems to serve your own agenda very nicely here. I used to know a group of folks who believed (and probably still do) that the earth is flat and no amount of reasoned argument could change their minds. I suspect that you are in the same camp. The fact is the game yesterday was turned into a farce by one man alone (and not by our player's 'indiscipline' as you like to keep pointing out). My opinions are my own and I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm not seeking to win an argument either , but don't tell me to ''FFS GIVE IT A REST'' as this is an open forum and I have conducted myself far better than some on here. As for my agenda...I don't have one ....just common sense and fair play. The rest of submission not worthy of a sensible reply. So no agenda then mumf? You say 'we are officially THE dirtiest football team'. No agenda? Are you sure? Or deluded? I challenged your view regarding this, a point which you think is not worthy of reply. I will be polite. PLEASE give it a rest, not only are you tiresome you are winding ME up and I am protective of my BP these days. Atkinson was a fool yesterday, you know it and I know it. As for me, time to move on and the Spuds are up next, but I tell you mumf, when Atkinson next comes to the Brit (if allowed) he is going to get maximum abuse from myself and thousands of others and rightly so too. |
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