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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 22:32:15 GMT
Post by stokecitydom on Dec 18, 2013 22:32:15 GMT
One of my biggest frustrations of the night was Crouch. We have a striker who just does not look like scoring from open play. He's not even getting a half chance from open play, mainly because he never gets himself in the box.
It's all well and good having some nice link up play 30 yards from goal on the left wing, but you have to get in the box afterwards & be a threat.
I know tonight wasn't great but there were 4/5 really decent crosses put in (mainly by Geoff) and I can't recall Crouch even challenging/threading a goal.
The last point is his lack of movement. Even if you can't run the channels (which we need as an outlet at times), at least show some interest & show willingness to make a move to receive the ball. He's just so easy to defend against.
So so frustrated tonight, but hope for a vast improvement from all on Saturday.
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 22:33:58 GMT
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2013 22:33:58 GMT
Crouch is like a feather floating in the wind
Get Kenwyne back in the side until they are both sold
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 22:47:11 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 18, 2013 22:47:11 GMT
Crouch is like a feather floating in the wind Get Kenwyne back in the side until they are both sold Your joking right... kj haha hughes came in put the ball at his feet and kenwye used it as a pillow. Hes so gone in January a pundit from Kazakhstan could see that!
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 22:47:16 GMT
Post by unknown182 on Dec 18, 2013 22:47:16 GMT
We need someone with pace and skill upfront. If you're going to play a lone striker then they'll need to create half-chances for themselves now and again which Crouch will never do. I like him as a player but he needs support if you want too get the best out of him.
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 23:09:16 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2013 23:09:16 GMT
I thought he did ok with what he had. Which was Ireland playing shit, Assaidi playing shit and Walters playing shit. We kept twatting up to him and Jones won most of it and when he didn't Crouch did his damn best to get the play going but he was too isolated. He should have been subbed for KJ though. But I wouldn't start KJ, Crouch has been playing well in the past 6 weeks. We definitely need a pacy striker though.
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 23:16:13 GMT
Post by j3st3r on Dec 18, 2013 23:16:13 GMT
This board never ceases to amaze me.. together with cameron I think Crouch was one of the few leading l7ghts for us tonight.. won everything despite feeding off scraps.. and always laid it off to a Stoke player. The issue is the lack of support.. and the quality of that support.. having watched Walters yet again squander chance after chance.. how the finger can be pointed at Crouch is beyond me...
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 23:17:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 23:17:41 GMT
Jones needs to be given the same opportunities afforded to crouch far better suited to one up front with Walters in the hole
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Crouch
Dec 18, 2013 23:25:02 GMT
Post by Bombus on Dec 18, 2013 23:25:02 GMT
Jones needs to be given the same opportunities afforded to crouch far better suited to one up front with Walters in the hole Unfortunately, he's not playing in the hole anymore, mate
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 0:01:22 GMT
Post by stuammo on Dec 19, 2013 0:01:22 GMT
I think crouch has been superb last half dozen games given what he's got. He holds it well, brings others into play and links up with Ireland regularly and to good effect.
Think to say Crouch isn't performing is very harsh and is indicative of our style of play more than anything.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 1:04:02 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 19, 2013 1:04:02 GMT
wank tonight I hope we can replace him in Jan how Hughes did not take him off and give KJ an run is beyond me
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 1:07:22 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2013 1:07:22 GMT
If you think Crouch is the reason that we had no shots on target tonight and we have failed to score in four of our last five games, then I'm sorry to use the word but you are fucking retarded.
The magnificent 45 minutes against Chelsea has covered a multitude of sins. We are as toothless as ever we were under the previous manager and no amount of bollocks will cover for that.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 1:13:18 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 19, 2013 1:13:18 GMT
If you think Crouch is the reason that we had no shots on target tonight and we have failed to score in four of our last five games, then I'm sorry to use the word but you are fucking retarded. , he has done well recently but is limited in a system that plays one up front and even more so in a team with no pace, he is our main striker and posed zero threat tonight Jones should have been given the last 20 just to try something different If you want to play Crouch it needs to be 4-4-2 with a quick partner
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2013 1:18:40 GMT
I'm not a big Crouch fan but, the reason he is not getting in the box is because more often than not is because he is asked to take ball down hold it on and pass it forward, and without any pace he wont get anywhere near, a Crouch with pace in Jan would be a god send.
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Post by onionman on Dec 19, 2013 1:20:47 GMT
The problem is Jones is ineffective unless he's being marked by the footballing equivalent of the Northamptonshire bowlers who got smashed around the ground for endless centuries by Graeme "Flat Track Bully" Hick.
My pecking order until we bring in a new striker would be:
Crouch The guy we sent on loan to Mansfield A garden hoe Walters A 77-year-old Keith Scott The Josiah Wedgwood statue from near Stoke station Jones
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 1:23:24 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2013 1:23:24 GMT
The problems run a lot deeper. I would say that generally Crouch suits a Hughes system massively more than a Pulis system ever did. The system is utterly fucked with the current personnel though. Utterly fucked. How the fuck he can expect players as different as Walters, Arnie and Assaidi to perform similar roles on either side to provide a consistent attacking approach shows to me a tremendous lack of judgement on Hughes's part.
Fuck it anyhow. Bring on Saturday. We'll have to take one of the two half chances we get all bastard game though. Plus ça change etc....
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 1:24:11 GMT
Post by frankboughsbutplug on Dec 19, 2013 1:24:11 GMT
He needs a Defoe with him!!!!
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 1:31:53 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Dec 19, 2013 1:31:53 GMT
The problem is Jones is ineffective unless he's being marked by the footballing equivalent of the Northamptonshire bowlers who got smashed around the ground for endless centuries by Graeme "Flat Track Bully" Hick. My pecking order until we bring in a new striker would be: Crouch The guy we sent on loan to Mansfield A garden hoe Walters A 77-year-old Keith Scott The Josiah Wedgwood statue from near Stoke station Jones That's harsh on the statue.
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Post by heavysoul on Dec 19, 2013 7:52:51 GMT
We need Crouch and his link up play! We just need someone with pace to play off him.
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Post by penkvillepotter on Dec 19, 2013 9:37:17 GMT
Funny, I thought Crouch did OK tonight considering what came his way which was fuck all.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 9:41:15 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2013 9:41:15 GMT
Funny, I thought Crouch did OK tonight considering what came his way which was fuck all. Largely did everything expected of him. It's this fuckwitted system that is failing and making us look anaemic.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 9:46:12 GMT
Post by penkvillepotter on Dec 19, 2013 9:46:12 GMT
Cards on the table. I couldn't stand another second of Pulis and in general am right behind what Hughes is trying to do but we don't look anymore comfortable now than we did at the start of the season.
The most frustrating thing for me was that I said yesterday that at least we're trying to win these days as opposed to not getting beaten but I didn't get that last night.
LMH has work to do.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 9:47:11 GMT
Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 19, 2013 9:47:11 GMT
I've reached the point where I just wonder what people expect of him. He's doing as well as we could possibly expect within the set up he's playing in. He's too far from goal, often with his back to the direction in which we're playing and he's trying to 'play in' team mates that aren't actually there most of the time. I feel sorry for the bloke to be honest.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 9:52:59 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2013 9:52:59 GMT
We maybe trying to win games but are equally as incapable of doing so than we've ever been. I think people are going a bit over the top on the Hughes bashing but his complete lack of flexibility regarding this fucking shot shy system is starting to get right up my arse.
It's not fucking working Mark.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 9:57:15 GMT
Post by penkvillepotter on Dec 19, 2013 9:57:15 GMT
It isn't and I'm fucked if I know how to change it with these players.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 9:59:56 GMT
Post by stokecitydom on Dec 19, 2013 9:59:56 GMT
Funny, I thought Crouch did OK tonight considering what came his way which was fuck all. Largely did everything expected of him. It's this fuckwitted system that is failing and making us look anaemic. He did OK in parts. Some nice neat exchanges & build up play, just nearly all of his work is done outside of the box. There were a few occasions where the ball was out wide & the nobody in the box at all. Obviously other players have to join in & get upthere, but as a lone striker I would hope that he would be busting a gut to get in there. Then again, if he doesn't drop deeper then he is completely isolated & not involved at all. We are regularly not a threat at all in the final third, which is a worry.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 10:00:30 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2013 10:00:30 GMT
It's dead simple.
Peter Crouch can't play as a lone striker and that's the top and the bottom of it.
How on earth Pulis thought it would ever work was beyond me but now we've got Hughes making exactly the same fundamental mistake.
Hughes' system allows for runners, so it's not as completely flawed as Pulis' was when it comes to Crouch but it's still nothing like it should be.
Very few teams play 4-4-2 nowadays but a successful strike force that's got Peter Crouch in it, will always be a strike force that has got two strikers in it.
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 10:04:44 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2013 10:04:44 GMT
Hughes system would be flawed whoever played up front because the support players are simply not up to the task. They are not fit for purpose, they are incapable of getting in the positions to hurt other teams even when Crouch does his job correctly. It really is starting to look a bit of a clusterfuck. I thought Hughes and his team would have the nouse to change it a bit. Be a bit more flexible. Sadly it seems not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 10:10:25 GMT
You,ve got to have the right tools to do the job. We,ve got a set of tools, lol, but the wrong ones!
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 10:35:16 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 19, 2013 10:35:16 GMT
It's dead simple. Peter Crouch can't play as a lone striker and that's the top and the bottom of it. How on earth Pulis thought it would ever work was beyond me but now we've got Hughes making exactly the same fundamental mistake. Hughes' system allows for runners, so it's not as completely flawed as Pulis' was when it comes to Crouch but it's still nothing like it should be. Very few teams play 4-4-2 nowadays but a successful strike force that's got Peter Crouch in it, will always be a strike force that has got two strikers in it. I agree about Hughes system allowing for runners, now he needs a couple of players prepared to run , thought Ireland stepped up 2nd half v Chelsea but back to normal tonight , Arnie never got in front of Crouch I don't think , so we are left with the willing but ineffective Assadi and Walters , hopefully the deals are done for Jan
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Crouch
Dec 19, 2013 10:38:49 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2013 10:38:49 GMT
If this is Arnie's position and is a system that is supposed to suit him, then God fucking help us.
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