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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 1, 2013 19:39:44 GMT
Interesting article - apologies if linked elsewhere.... link
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 1, 2013 19:44:03 GMT
I agree with the start of that but I still would have fancied us to lose 2 or 3 nil there yesterday with how they're playing under TP to be honest.
And the ease he has relegated seems a bit of a fantasy to me too.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Dec 1, 2013 21:18:56 GMT
The article's basic argument's wrong. Hughes wasn't appointed to completely change the team's style. He was appointed because the club thought he was the best man to keep the best of what was there but advance it.
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Post by Gods on Dec 1, 2013 21:27:32 GMT
Our boss takes an absolute toweling in the 'Comments' below
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 1, 2013 21:35:15 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really?
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Post by f1rew0rks on Dec 1, 2013 21:40:17 GMT
Our boss takes an absolute toweling in the 'Comments' below he gets it in here too. But if he's given time he'll prove them all wrong.
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Post by riponstokie on Dec 1, 2013 22:12:15 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really? You're the one who really likes to re write history aren't you Jones. We never stopped fighting for the course under TP. That is why we survived for five years. We had a team spirit, players and a manager who cared. Interesting that Hughes spouted that he wanted to keep the discipline, hard working, stick together principles of the old regime. Funny that because I haven't witnessed too much of that under him. Hey ho, one year ago today we had beaten WBA away 1-0 and were 9th in the Prem on 22 points................but I'm sure you'll find a way of rewriting that little bit of history too!
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Post by stokeramblers on Dec 1, 2013 22:17:56 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really? You're the one who really likes to re write history aren't you Jones. We never stopped fighting for the course under TP. That is why we survived for five years. We had a team spirit, players and a manager who cared. Interesting that Hughes spouted that he wanted to keep the discipline, hard working, stick together principles of the old regime. Funny that because I haven't witnessed too much of that under him. Hey ho, one year ago today we had beaten WBA away 1-0 and were 9th in the Prem on 22 points................but I'm sure you'll find a way of rewriting that little bit of history too! Wasn't much fighting spirit from January onwards last season was there?! I put it to you sir, that You, are the one rewriting history!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 1, 2013 22:37:08 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really? You're the one who really likes to re write history aren't you Jones. We never stopped fighting for the course under TP. That is why we survived for five years. We had a team spirit, players and a manager who cared. Interesting that Hughes spouted that he wanted to keep the discipline, hard working, stick together principles of the old regime. Funny that because I haven't witnessed too much of that under him. Hey ho, one year ago today we had beaten WBA away 1-0 and were 9th in the Prem on 22 points................but I'm sure you'll find a way of rewriting that little bit of history too! I think he is best leaving it to you after reading that. Especially the extra skill of selective history.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 1, 2013 23:10:54 GMT
Fact is its sluggish, poor and shit fotball at the moment. When we survived the first season we were never under threat of relegation until perhaps the end of last season but at the moment we seem to be plotting our way in to the Championship.
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Post by hanibal7 on Dec 2, 2013 3:02:24 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really? You're the one who really likes to re write history aren't you Jones. We never stopped fighting for the course under TP. That is why we survived for five years. We had a team spirit, players and a manager who cared. Interesting that Hughes spouted that he wanted to keep the discipline, hard working, stick together principles of the old regime. Funny that because I haven't witnessed too much of that under him. Hey ho, one year ago today we had beaten WBA away 1-0 and were 9th in the Prem on 22 points................but I'm sure you'll find a way of rewriting that little bit of history too! never surrendered,we surrendered many times under Pullis,that was the whole problem for the last 2 years Also where is this 22 points,13 games played last season we had 3 more points than this season,so not much difference
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 2, 2013 7:17:27 GMT
The constant comparison with Pulis is pretty pointless we are in the here and now Hughes was brought in to develop the team and that will take time , it is a fair criticism to say that they lack fitness, organisation and at times fight and if he cannot sort those aspects out we will struggle and he will be sacked quite rightly in my view,because those qualities are the minimum requirement of a professional football team , we were shocking on Saturday and a good test of Hughes will be to see how he gets a response on Wednesday
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 2, 2013 7:22:23 GMT
The article sums the situation up pretty well for me
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Post by adamsson on Dec 2, 2013 7:54:01 GMT
It is funny the way that twat ianrb pops up to prove he is a Pulis fan not a Stoke supporter.
Fact is we often surrendered under the capped one, but normally it was to settle for a 1-0 defeat and pulling everyone back to defend it.
The winning team will usually let you do this.
Can someone tell me how many more points we got for loosing 1-0 last season?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Dec 2, 2013 8:43:39 GMT
We were well beaten Saturday no doubt and I'm sure we will be well beaten again this season but this propaganda being peddled by some on here is just laughable. Yes we worked hard under the capped one but we were well beaten plenty of times and we certainly had our bellies tickled more than once. The constant comparisons must stop, support Mark and his team and the 11 on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 8:55:05 GMT
We were more than capable of getting thrashed under Pulis. Twice a season or so by my reckoning.
TP's last 13 games yielded 12 points. MH's first 13 have gained us 13. Not a new problem.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 2, 2013 8:55:20 GMT
We were well beaten Saturday no doubt and I'm sure we will be well beaten again this season but this propaganda being peddled by some on here is just laughable. Yes we worked hard under the capped one but we were well beaten plenty of times and we certainly had our bellies tickled more than once. The constant comparisons must stop, support Mark and his team and the 11 on the pitch. Yes we should support the club, whoever is playing for us, whoever is managing us, owns us etc Come Saturday, we may be on the receiving end of another loss to one of the top teams in this division. We may of course take at least a point from them and "underachieve " v Cardiff Most of us believe that a few new players need to be bought in January This morning Fulham are calling for just that to happen as their new manager takes over. As with Mark Hughes, I am guessing? that money is available to add some quality to the squad. At this moment in time, I can accept some mistakes in midfield, and / or defence, as long as we are scoring at the other end. With Bego in goal and a few more excellent tackles in defence then we need to be turning these performances into wins. Cameron and Pieters attacking down the wings is a positive imo, we need to have a plan in place for when this type of attack breaks down For that reason 2 quality strikers would be top of my list, to cover injuries and suspensions. We have to trust the management
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Post by stokeramblers on Dec 2, 2013 9:06:25 GMT
We were well beaten Saturday no doubt and I'm sure we will be well beaten again this season but this propaganda being peddled by some on here is just laughable. Yes we worked hard under the capped one but we were well beaten plenty of times and we certainly had our bellies tickled more than once. The constant comparisons must stop, support Mark and his team and the 11 on the pitch. Cameron and Pieters attacking down the wings is a positive imo, we need to have a plan in place for when this type of attack breaks down For that reason 2 quality strikers would be top of my list, to cover injuries and suspensions. We have to trust the management Yes. Yes we do need a plan in place for when our fullbacks are bombing forward and the attack breaks down. That's why we need a solid defensive midfield to cover for them when they're getting forward. I'd say that's as important as signing two strikers.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 2, 2013 9:08:54 GMT
It's only impossible if he's not up to the job.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 2, 2013 12:02:35 GMT
You're the one who really likes to re write history aren't you Jones. We never stopped fighting for the course under TP. That is why we survived for five years. We had a team spirit, players and a manager who cared. Interesting that Hughes spouted that he wanted to keep the discipline, hard working, stick together principles of the old regime. Funny that because I haven't witnessed too much of that under him. Hey ho, one year ago today we had beaten WBA away 1-0 and were 9th in the Prem on 22 points................but I'm sure you'll find a way of rewriting that little bit of history too! Wasn't much fighting spirit from January onwards last season was there?! I put it to you sir, that You, are the one rewriting history! Thanks, saves me bothering.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 2, 2013 12:08:18 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really? True,4 and 5 goal thumpings at the Shit,7 v Chelsea,4 last season,surrenderd to Swansea last season before we even got to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 12:26:28 GMT
When the fans of this board continue to argue over who's fault it is, then a united fans front to put pressure on the board to stump up some cash will not be forthcoming.
We have played mostly dire football in recent seasons , no matter who has been the manager and the fact is Sir Alex could not alter that without financial backing.
THE PAST is simply not relevant, it's gone and can't be altered , THE FUTURE is what is important, or are there some on here hoping we get relegated just to prove a personal agenda?
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Dec 2, 2013 13:23:01 GMT
The key is too stay up especially this year, because next summer we get 60/70 million due to the new money, & if Bego does go then, that's an extra 15 mil, so I would seriously expect MH to have at least 30/40 million to spend, & that's when we will see the real changes at the club. Just got to ride the storm this season.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 2, 2013 14:04:20 GMT
History re writing at its finest, "we would've never surrendered like we did on Saturday under pulis" really? True,4 and 5 goal thumpings at the Shit,7 v Chelsea,4 last season,surrenderd to Swansea last season before we even got to the ground. Add in 5 nil at Bolton and a 4 nil at Sunderland. Also the article calls MH's tenure at Fulham a failure. He finished 8th FFS.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 2, 2013 14:10:12 GMT
It really pisses me off when I read about how 'ugly' we were under TP and how shit our team is..and how we relied totally on Rory and now Asimir to keep us in The Prem What complete bollocks How many of our critics have actually watched a Stoke match? How many just repeat what they hear and read? I remember when Ian Hutchinson used to throw the ball further than Rory (back in the 1970's) TV pundits used to masturbate themselves stupid over it..'OOOH What Excuisite Skill'...'OOOH What Amazing Talent'...Suit You Sir etc..But thaw was fashionable Chelsea not little old Stoke If we had someone who could take chances all this crap about Sparky would stop..The Media would be heaping praise upon him..talking about him as a suitable replacement for Roy Hodgson..and the same sheep who bleat on about how crap we are now..would be saying what a great manager Hughes was and what a credit Stoke were to The Premier League Rant over
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Dec 2, 2013 20:47:10 GMT
Our main problem is most of our best chances fall to SJW who has a fixation with hitting it straight at the goalie, if we had a goalscorer we wouldn't be in the bottom half.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Dec 2, 2013 21:02:14 GMT
Interesting article - apologies if linked elsewhere.... linkFair reflection of the current situation in IMHO.
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Post by Sfance on Dec 2, 2013 21:24:55 GMT
Mediocre skill and a totally mystifying and misbegotten faith in Walters are one thing but what bothers me more is that both against Norwich and at Everton, the whole team except Bego seemed not to be bothered. It would be interesting to know where that attitude comes from. I wonder if Nzonzi is at the root of it. If so, as good as he can be at times, maybe he should be let go?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 2, 2013 21:56:16 GMT
The key is too stay up especially this year, because next summer we get 60/70 million due to the new money, & if Bego does go then, that's an extra 15 mil, so I would seriously expect MH to have at least 30/40 million to spend, & that's when we will see the real changes at the club. Just got to ride the storm this season. If you think Coates is going to sanction that kind of money you're seriously deluded. The old Coates is back - meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 2, 2013 22:04:05 GMT
The key is too stay up especially this year, because next summer we get 60/70 million due to the new money, & if Bego does go then, that's an extra 15 mil, so I would seriously expect MH to have at least 30/40 million to spend, & that's when we will see the real changes at the club. Just got to ride the storm this season. If you think Coates is going to sanction that kind of money you're seriously deluded. The old Coates is back - meet the new boss, same as the old boss... Change it had to come We knew it all along We were liberated from the fall that's all But the world looks just the same And history ain't changed 'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
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