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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 18:49:16 GMT
i could be described as a socialist but i firmly believe that when you sign up to be a fireman/policeman/forces that you lose the right to withdraw your labour.these are well paid jobs with plenty of perks, certainly a better paid job than any other unskilled labour. so to go on strike on the friday near bonfire night is ridiculous. there are many events up and down the country and theres bound to be a misshap somewhere. fingers crossed that nobody looses their life because of this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 18:56:29 GMT
Agreed. Certain jobs are there to directly protect the general public, firefighters being one of them. Nobody doubts the risk they put themselves in but they are trained and equipped to deal with them. The people they serve are generally not.
There does have to be a way for them to raise any concerns but there has to be a line drawn somewhere - walking out at the most important times is not acceptable especially when it can endanger others.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2013 19:46:29 GMT
After covering numerous fire strikes I agree
Although I blame the militant fbu
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Post by redsaturday on Nov 1, 2013 19:53:17 GMT
Don't some of them have full time Jobs then go out on call
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 20:02:41 GMT
Don't some of them have full time Jobs then go out on call many of them regarded having a second job as a perk. it wasnt uncommon for then to do a shift at a local factory then sleep at the fire station "on call"whatever happened when there was a major incident i dread to fear.
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Post by redsaturday on Nov 1, 2013 20:07:29 GMT
Don't think I could be a fireman no matter how much you paid me
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2013 20:32:23 GMT
Don't some of them have full time Jobs then go out on call They are the retained fire fighters
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 20:50:27 GMT
i could be described as a socialist but i firmly believe that when you sign up to be a fireman/policeman/forces that you lose the right to withdraw your labour.these are well paid jobs with plenty of perks, certainly a better paid job than any other unskilled labour. so to go on strike on the friday near bonfire night is ridiculous. there are many events up and down the country and theres bound to be a misshap somewhere. fingers crossed that nobody looses their life because of this.You certainly are a socialist aren't you mate
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 1, 2013 21:36:29 GMT
Few years ago our window cleaner was a full tine fireman. Why are they striking... My friend is a retired fire fighter and finished at 55 with a good payout and full pension.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 0:45:39 GMT
After covering numerous fire strikes I agree Although I blame the militant fbu I blame Huddy ....
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Post by stokester1989 on Nov 2, 2013 18:32:07 GMT
same with teaching and fuel drivers aswell. they know the wage structure before they join if they dont like it then look for a new job. the only time i agree with strikes is when the goverment decide not to upwages with inflation or decide to change pensions / retirement ages. yet the poloticion has a healthy bonus or pay rise or maybe a 2nd and 3rd home paid for by the tax payer.
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Post by buiskatthebrit on Nov 2, 2013 20:38:20 GMT
same with teaching and fuel drivers aswell. they know the wage structure before they join if they dont like it then look for a new job. the only time i agree with strikes is when the goverment decide not to upwages with inflation or decide to change pensions / retirement ages. yet the poloticion has a healthy bonus or pay rise or maybe a 2nd and 3rd home paid for by the tax payer. Agreed. Firefighters just had a 3 year pay freeze followed by a massive 1% rise this year. The government have changed their pension completely and are now increasing the retirement age. 58 and 59 year old firefighters will have to pass the same fitness tests as 20 year olds in the job or face the sack. And all the beds were taken off stations in staffs years ago.
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Post by Matthews dad on Nov 2, 2013 22:38:52 GMT
same with teaching and fuel drivers aswell. they know the wage structure before they join if they dont like it then look for a new job. the only time i agree with strikes is when the goverment decide not to upwages with inflation or decide to change pensions / retirement ages. yet the poloticion has a healthy bonus or pay rise or maybe a 2nd and 3rd home paid for by the tax payer. Agreed. Firefighters just had a 3 year pay freeze followed by a massive 1% rise this year. The government have changed their pension completely and are now increasing the retirement age. 58 and 59 year old firefighters will have to pass the same fitness tests as 20 year olds in the job or face the sack. And all the beds were taken off stations in staffs years ago. Yet it's still the most applied for job, when advertised!
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Post by buiskatthebrit on Nov 2, 2013 23:51:20 GMT
True. But not advertised very often nowadays due to cuts.
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Post by underdog on Nov 3, 2013 7:03:38 GMT
Seems to me there's a lot of supposition and opinion about what perks they get. When I started work on the Potts some years ago my mate who was a fireman earned a lot less than me, tbh I was slightly embarrassed. I tell you this much, when your house is on fire or your stuck in a mangled vehicle, you'll be bloody glad to see em and won't begrudge them a penny. Once again the opinionated oatcake wank crew (you know who you are) rip into another group just for the fun of it. This country is fucked...we pay for non-contributing immigrants to live here on the social, but we argue the toss over paying people who actually make the place a better country to live in,.i fucking despair, I really do.
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Post by underdog on Nov 3, 2013 7:06:01 GMT
same with teaching and fuel drivers aswell. they know the wage structure before they join if they dont like it then look for a new job. the only time i agree with strikes is when the goverment decide not to upwages with inflation or decide to change pensions / retirement ages. yet the poloticion has a healthy bonus or pay rise or maybe a 2nd and 3rd home paid for by the tax payer. Errrr, the pensions and retirement age are changing, that's why they're pissed off. You're post is therefore meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 7:24:21 GMT
Seems to me there's a lot of supposition and opinion about what perks they get. When I started work on the Potts some years ago my mate who was a fireman earned a lot less than me, tbh I was slightly embarrassed. I tell you this much, when your house is on fire or your stuck in a mangled vehicle, you'll be bloody glad to see em and won't begrudge them a penny. Once again the opinionated oatcake wank crew (you know who you are) rip into another group just for the fun of it. This country is fucked...we pay for non-contributing immigrants to live here on the social, but we argue the toss over paying people who actually make the place a better country to live in,.i fucking despair, I really do. Who are these dreadful sounding hordes? One thing I really don't understand is the kids that lob things at fire crews and ambulance staff. You can sort of understand the Police getting abused but Fire Appliances and Ambulances?
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Post by petemac on Nov 3, 2013 8:43:43 GMT
Sack them all. There is a very long waiting list of people that would be just grateful for a decent job. I remember in the 90's when our boys serving in Iraq had to go out and cover the shifts on the streets instead of seeing their families after a long hard tour. Most fire fighters have two jobs that's how busy they get.
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2013 8:57:55 GMT
same with teaching and fuel drivers aswell. they know the wage structure before they join if they dont like it then look for a new job. the only time i agree with strikes is when the goverment decide not to upwages with inflation or decide to change pensions / retirement ages. yet the poloticion has a healthy bonus or pay rise or maybe a 2nd and 3rd home paid for by the tax payer. Agreed. Firefighters just had a 3 year pay freeze followed by a massive 1% rise this year. The government have changed their pension completely and are now increasing the retirement age. 58 and 59 year old firefighters will have to pass the same fitness tests as 20 year olds in the job or face the sack. And all the beds were taken off stations in staffs years ago. So better off than a lot in the private sector went through with hours cutting, pay cuts, retire at 60fookin7 and pensions robbed by gordon brown? Its the private sector that's getting us out of this mess of the last 6 years, they've had the pain and are right royally pissed off by the civil servants and their demands on the empty coffers
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Post by craig67 on Nov 3, 2013 8:59:28 GMT
Some/most retained firefighters do but not the majority.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2013 9:01:34 GMT
Sack them all. There is a very long waiting list of people that would be just grateful for a decent job. I remember in the 90's when our boys serving in Iraq had to go out and cover the shifts on the streets instead of seeing their families after a long hard tour. Most fire fighters have two jobs that's how busy they get. After a 6 month tour you get 4 weeks off The day I flew back from Bosnia in 2002 was told all leave cancelled due to fire strike. Had to cancel holiday and all plans to cover the strikers.
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2013 9:05:49 GMT
Covered a strike myself, I was on training course in pompey in the morning, in the afternoon in the back of a soft topped land rover heading to Lancaster as a FART (fire and rescue team) to join up with the light infantry who were manning the green goddeses
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2013 9:18:45 GMT
When I covered the Liverpool only strike this time of year 1995 we were pelted with rocks by kids
We also had a lot of shit off striking dockers when we went to a shout at the docks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 9:20:20 GMT
Sack them all. There is a very long waiting list of people that would be just grateful for a decent job. I remember in the 90's when our boys serving in Iraq had to go out and cover the shifts on the streets instead of seeing their families after a long hard tour. Most fire fighters have two jobs that's how busy they get. After a 6 month tour you get 4 weeks off The day I flew back from Bosnia in 2002 was told all leave cancelled due to fire strike. Had to cancel holiday and all plans to cover the strikers. That is ridiculous. I never realised.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2013 9:24:13 GMT
Frankly I'm more concerned that 340 MP's claimed for heating bills and Stoke councillors are going to appoint themselves directors of their new energy company..
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2013 9:34:56 GMT
Frankly I'm more concerned that 340 MP's claimed for heating bills and Stoke councillors are going to appoint themselves directors of their new energy company.. 340? Did 300 forget
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2013 9:59:14 GMT
Frankly I'm more concerned that 340 MP's claimed for heating bills and Stoke councillors are going to appoint themselves directors of their new energy company.. 340? Did 300 forget I really have no idea Al, all I would say is that when we're all supposed to be in this together, 340 scroungers claimed for fuel bills on their second homes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 10:17:28 GMT
I really have no idea Al, all I would say is that when we're all supposed to be in this together, 340 scroungers claimed for fuel bills on their second homes. Enough said really ......
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Nov 3, 2013 20:32:55 GMT
same with teaching and fuel drivers aswell. they know the wage structure before they join if they dont like it then look for a new job. the only time i agree with strikes is when the goverment decide not to upwages with inflation or decide to change pensions / retirement ages. yet the poloticion has a healthy bonus or pay rise or maybe a 2nd and 3rd home paid for by the tax payer. Agreed. Firefighters just had a 3 year pay freeze followed by a massive 1% rise this year. Much the same as nurses and frontline NHS staff yet they have a clause in their contracts that forbids them from striking. Its time the same clause was put into firemens contracts too.
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Post by petemac on Nov 3, 2013 21:01:20 GMT
Sack them all. There is a very long waiting list of people that would be just grateful for a decent job. I remember in the 90's when our boys serving in Iraq had to go out and cover the shifts on the streets instead of seeing their families after a long hard tour. Most fire fighters have two jobs that's how busy they get. After a 6 month tour you get 4 weeks off The day I flew back from Bosnia in 2002 was told all leave cancelled due to fire strike. Had to cancel holiday and all plans to cover the strikers. I too had to cover firefighters shifts. Most of the lads thought it was a jolley seeing as we did sweet f.a for days. I remember driving past a strike group in a military vehicle and the firefighters on strike started cheering and waving at us. I stuck my middle finger right back at them along with the rest of the crew. Wankers
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