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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 22, 2013 23:53:40 GMT
This isn't a SJW bashing thread.
SJW offers lots to the team - and that's why TP and MH continue to pick him. But...
The lad really doesn't have a clue about defending.
We seem to have misinterpreted high work rate plus chasing defenders down with being able to defend.
In a way he's worse than Adam. At least with Charlie everyone knows he can't defend, so we don't really ask him to do that job.
With SJW, people seem to think he can defend (based on that he runs around a lot), and therefore he gets detailed with defensive responsibilities. That cost us against Arsenal today (twice), but also many times in the past.
I think both Ethers and JP have better defensive attributes compared to SJW.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2013 0:11:12 GMT
Twice? Not trying to be a twat I can only think of one at the free kick when he should have been more switched on to get the rebound.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 23, 2013 0:27:00 GMT
Twice? Not trying to be a twat I can only think of one at the free kick when he should have been more switched on to get the rebound. First goal: switch off. Allowing that twat Ramsey to score. Third goal, he was tasked with marking Sagna. He didn't did he? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2013 0:34:09 GMT
Ahh right I thought someone else was meant to be marking him, nice one for letting me know.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2013 6:50:20 GMT
Doesn't score enough,misses too many pens,cant defend,cant put a decent cross in,Whats to be confused about?  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 23, 2013 6:57:30 GMT
This isn't a SJW bashing thread. SJW offers lots to the team - and that's why TP and MH continue to pick him. But... The lad really doesn't have a clue about defending. We seem to has misinterpreted high work rate plus chasing defenders down with being able to defend. In a way he's worse than Adam. At least with Charlie everyone knows he can't defend, so we don't really ask him to do that job. With SJW, people seem to think he can defend (based on that he runs around a lot), and therefore he gets detailed with defensive responsibilities. That cost us against Arsenal today (twice), but also many times in the past. I think both Ethers and JP have better defensive attributes compared to SJW. In all fairness I really thought Wilson would win the header when Sagna scored! It was a fluke anyway, but it killed the game off! |
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Post by mvtt on Sept 23, 2013 6:57:50 GMT
Twice? Not trying to be a twat I can only think of one at the free kick when he should have been more switched on to get the rebound. First goal: switch off. Allowing that twat Ramsey to score. Third goal, he was tasked with marking Sagna. He didn't did he? Not to mention commiting the foul |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 7:16:03 GMT
Doesn't score enough,misses too many pens,cant defend,cant put a decent cross in,Whats to be confused about? Basically contributes more to the opposition than us, has played a major part in throwing away 4 points already this season, he is a fuckin embarrassment to his profession but never mind any of that to some he is an integral part of the team, why because he runs around a lot  , not good enough no confusion. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 23, 2013 7:50:46 GMT
The first goal would never have happened if Adam had not done another stupid foul in a dangerous area, Huth,s booking and that goal was down to another shit pass by Adam,
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Post by ianstokie on Sept 23, 2013 7:53:23 GMT
Walters is supposed to be a striker, but he isn't doing the job. In my opinion he does defend reasonably well, but that should be his secondary role, not his first. I'd rather have a striker who leaves the defending to the other 10 and gets into better positions and is selfish enough to poach 15/20 goals a season.
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Post by foster on Sept 23, 2013 7:56:23 GMT
Walters is supposed to be a striker, but he isn't doing the job. In my opinion he does defend reasonably well, but that should be his secondary role, not his first. I'd rather have a striker who leaves the defending to the other 10 and gets into better positions and is selfish enough to poach 15/20 goals a season. I agree. I couldn't care less about his defensive qualities. His priority is scoring / creating goals. In my opinion he shouldn't be in our box when defending set pieces, he should be waiting for a quick break on the counter. |
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 23, 2013 8:00:42 GMT
Walters' marking of Ramsey for the first goal was crap.(He even went down like a big girl clutching his ankle in a vain attempt to get the goal disallowed). He gave away a totally unnecessary free kick for the the third - you could argue it was Wilson's man to mark for the header, but Walters was on him and failed miserably. People keep banging on about his defensive attributes to justify his place in the team - he was dire yesterday (but looked okay compared to Adam).
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Post by rawli on Sept 23, 2013 8:57:51 GMT
I think John has set the bar so low with his performances since the semi final that anything above complete shit is greeted with amazement. He runs a lot. Crap at the back and crap up front. A bit of a pest in the middle third.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 23, 2013 9:06:14 GMT
I'm confused how Walters can be blamed for any of the goals yesterday???
The first one Begovic should have either caught it or tipped it around the post. It's basic goalkeeping to ensure that if you can't catch it that you push it away from any opposition players.
For the third one it looked to me like it was Wilson's man though I've only seen it the once but that was what it looked like at a glance.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Sept 23, 2013 9:06:31 GMT
I do like Jon for lots of reasons however I'm also aware of his limitations. It would be nice to see two out and out wingers on the pitch at the same time with Jones in the middle and Jon on the bench. I think it's some time since this happened in a league match?
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Post by torquaypotter on Sept 23, 2013 9:11:33 GMT
I do like Jon for lots of reasons however I'm also aware of his limitations. It would be nice to see two out and out wingers on the pitch at the same time with Jones in the middle and Jon on the bench. I think it's some time since this happened in a league match? I feel that may happen on Wednesday in that cup game at least 5 changes will be made imo |
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Sept 23, 2013 9:24:33 GMT
I do like Jon for lots of reasons however I'm also aware of his limitations. It would be nice to see two out and out wingers on the pitch at the same time with Jones in the middle and Jon on the bench. I think it's some time since this happened in a league match? I feel that may happen on Wednesday in that cup game at least 5 changes will be made imo As it did in the previous round however it probably now time for a change in the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 9:27:06 GMT
Squad player. We need better, especially up front.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 9:29:01 GMT
This isn't a SJW bashing thread. SJW offers lots to the team - and that's why TP and MH continue to pick him. But... Im not a racist but.... |
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Post by superscfc on Sept 23, 2013 9:38:51 GMT
I thought he was terrible yesterday, kept getting in the way when going forward, heavy touches, never looked a threat. The sooner we get rid of Walters the better he's not good enough
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Post by elystokie on Sept 23, 2013 9:43:43 GMT
I fear we're stuck with him for a few games yet. I'm sure I heard the commentator on Saturday mention he's close to 100 consecutive Premiership games  so I expect he'll continue to start until that's reached. Must be in his contract or somebody's managed to get a big bet on it because he's nowhere near good enough to warrant that amount of starts. Bizarre. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 10:15:32 GMT
I am sure that Mark Hughes has cottoned on to the need for better, already. I just hope that Peter Coates gives him the correct backing when we come to the January transfer window. I believe we are two players short of having a really good season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 10:26:15 GMT
Walters is supposed to be a striker, but he isn't doing the job. In my opinion he does defend reasonably well, but that should be his secondary role, not his first. I'd rather have a striker who leaves the defending to the other 10 and gets into better positions and is selfish enough to poach 15/20 goals a season. I agree. I couldn't care less about his defensive qualities. His priority is scoring / creating goals. In my opinion he shouldn't be in our box when defending set pieces, he should be waiting for a quick break on the counter. Waiting for a quick break on the counter   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 10:30:00 GMT
I'm confused how Walters can be blamed for any of the goals yesterday??? The first one Begovic should have either caught it or tipped it around the post. It's basic goalkeeping to ensure that if you can't catch it that you push it away from any opposition players. For the third one it looked to me like it was Wilson's man though I've only seen it the once but that was what it looked like at a glance. Well his failure to mark his man at two set pieces which by the way lead to two goals plus the needless free kick he gave away prior to not marking his man , basic schoolboy errors. |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 23, 2013 10:40:08 GMT
I'm confused how Walters can be blamed for any of the goals yesterday??? The first one Begovic should have either caught it or tipped it around the post. It's basic goalkeeping to ensure that if you can't catch it that you push it away from any opposition players. For the third one it looked to me like it was Wilson's man though I've only seen it the once but that was what it looked like at a glance. Well his failure to mark his man at two set pieces which by the way lead to two goals plus the needless free kick he gave away prior to not marking his man , basic schoolboy errors. It wasn't his failure for the first one it was Begovic's for failing to deal with it correctly in the first place. Edit: And I've just seen the third goal and Sagna is 100% Wilson's man. |
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 23, 2013 10:46:39 GMT
UKcstokie......"This isn't a SJW bashing thread" Well why start it then??.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2013 10:52:04 GMT
First goal: switch off. Allowing that twat Ramsey to score. Third goal, he was tasked with marking Sagna. He didn't did he? Not to mention commiting the foul It wasn't a foul as far as I'm concerned, which is probably why it wasn't mentioned. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2013 10:53:58 GMT
Well his failure to mark his man at two set pieces which by the way lead to two goals plus the needless free kick he gave away prior to not marking his man , basic schoolboy errors. It wasn't his failure for the first one it was Begovic's for failing to deal with it correctly in the first place. Edit: And I've just seen the third goal and Sagna is 100% Wilson's man. I bloody thought so  , but with the first he still should have done better, a bit more switch on and it would have been easy to put it out for a corner. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 23, 2013 10:55:06 GMT
My only criticism of Hughes is his persistence with that useless twat.
I'd rather we'd kept Jerome, at least he can change a game in the right way rather than fucking up another spot kick.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 23, 2013 11:05:02 GMT
It wasn't his failure for the first one it was Begovic's for failing to deal with it correctly in the first place. Edit: And I've just seen the third goal and Sagna is 100% Wilson's man. I bloody thought so , but with the first he still should have done better, a bit more switch on and it would have been easy to put it out for a corner. In fairness it was a beautiful pass from Begovic to Ramsey, it was perfection. Walters was switched on but it would have taken pretty impressive reactions to put behind I doubt if any of our players would have stopped it really. |
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, not good enough no confusion.
so I expect he'll continue to start until that's reached.
, but with the first he still should have done better, a bit more switch on and it would have been easy to put it out for a corner.
