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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 22, 2013 20:29:10 GMT
I can't remember what time it was, but I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else. The game was poised at 1-1, we'd just scored, Huth played a blinding through ball (by luck or judgement!) and put Kenwyne completely clean through. Somehow, the ball bobbled off his foot and flew away in an improbably direction, finding its way straight to the covering defender. Had he taken it down and put it away as he probably should have done then we'd have been 2-1 up and I'd really have fancied us to come away with something.
I couldn't believe it, not at all. Missed chances at vital times cost us again.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 20:30:55 GMT
I can't remember what time it was, but I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else. The game was poised at 1-1, we'd just scored, Huth played a blinding through ball (by luck or judgement!) and put Kenwyne completely clean through. Somehow, the ball bobbled off his foot and flew away in an improbably direction, finding its way straight to the covering defender. Had he taken it down and put it away as he probably should have done then we'd have been 2-1 up and I'd really have fancied us to come away with something. I couldn't believe it, not at all. Missed chances at vital times cost us again. His control is appalling at times. We desperately need a new striker. We have no option but to stick with him until January. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 22, 2013 20:31:46 GMT
Spot on MD and it was a pivatol moment for me today,very poor control from the big man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 20:32:26 GMT
I thought his touch in general was very poor today, but the incident you speak of was Sunday League standard.
Shame because I think he's done well this season without scoring in the league.
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Post by siggy on Sept 22, 2013 20:33:15 GMT
Agree it was this and the first goal so early that cost us
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 22, 2013 20:35:39 GMT
The ball was being flying through the air at a fast pace ahead of Jones, who was also sprinting. Definitely not an easy take in those circumstances so I think it's harsh to put too much blame on him.
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 22, 2013 20:37:45 GMT
Contrast with his clinical approach to his goal in the FA Cup semi. That's football!!!!!!
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2013 20:42:18 GMT
The ball was being flying through the air at a fast pace ahead of Jones, who was also sprinting. Definitely not an easy take in those circumstances so I think it's harsh to put too much blame on him. Not easy - but he should have done much better. Sad thing is, I doubt many people were surprised he wasn't up to it meaning we all know KJ ain't got what it takes. |
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 22, 2013 20:44:47 GMT
The ball was being flying through the air at a fast pace ahead of Jones, who was also sprinting. Definitely not an easy take in those circumstances so I think it's harsh to put too much blame on him. Not easy - but he should have done much better. Sad thing is, I doubt many people were surprised he wasn't up to it meaning we all know KJ ain't got what it takes. I think if he could control those and knock them in then he'd be playing for a far bigger club than us. |
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Post by siggy on Sept 22, 2013 20:46:43 GMT
I like KJ but he never seems to win the ball or the free kick when its played up to him, he always seems to be "unlucky"
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Post by huuuuuth on Sept 22, 2013 20:48:06 GMT
I brought it up earlier mate, in the "up front" thread  Would have been a massive turning point in our favour, but it's just what we're lacking right now. Loads of positives again though. Onwards and upwards  |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2013 20:50:02 GMT
Not easy - but he should have done much better. Sad thing is, I doubt many people were surprised he wasn't up to it meaning we all know KJ ain't got what it takes. I think if he could control those and knock them in then he'd be playing for a far bigger club than us. Don't think it was that tough a ball to control; certainly should be within the capability of a striker at an established premier league team. |
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Post by Bombus on Sept 22, 2013 20:50:14 GMT
That's something you have to accept when playing Jones - his touch isn't the best.
I would've fancied Crouch to score if he got the same chance though.
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 22, 2013 21:04:54 GMT
That's something you have to accept when playing Jones - his touch isn't the best. I would've fancied Crouch to score if he got the same chance though. Crouch would never have had the chance as he is too slow to get onto a ball like that. We either have to accept Jones' inconsistency or take Crouch who offers very little pace or power and needs the ball to feet or a cross to the back post. In January this is the one area where we need a target man who will score 15-20 a season. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 22, 2013 21:06:15 GMT
Ricardo Fuller in his pomp would have a field day in our team right now the way we are playing.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 22, 2013 21:11:57 GMT
I wouldn't say Fuller was always particularly composed in front of goal either to be honest.
I find myself cursing the day we didn't sign Damba Ba more with each passing season.
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Post by Bombus on Sept 22, 2013 21:15:06 GMT
That's something you have to accept when playing Jones - his touch isn't the best. I would've fancied Crouch to score if he got the same chance though. Crouch would never have had the chance as he is too slow to get onto a ball like that. We either have to accept Jones' inconsistency or take Crouch who offers very little pace or power and needs the ball to feet or a cross to the back post. In January this is the one area where we need a target man who will score 15-20 a season. I've never said that I prefer Crouch over Jones or that Crouch is a better player than Jones. Also, who's this 20-goals/season-striker we seem to be able to attract? |
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Post by padders01 on Sept 22, 2013 21:31:11 GMT
I wouldn't say Fuller was always particularly composed in front of goal either to be honest. I find myself cursing the day we didn't sign Damba Ba more with each passing season. I would be very surprised if Demba Ba would still be playing for Stoke if we signed him when we could of done. He clearly wanted to use Stoke (as he did with Newcastle) as a stepping stone to a bigger club |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 21:44:43 GMT
KJ is a reserve Premiership striker.
He's never been prolific and never will be. Crouch was much better in his prime but his time is up. He's past it these days.
Walters is too slow , not clinical enough and in my opinion another 'reserve' ...
We need to move on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 22, 2013 22:12:26 GMT
Even on MOTD 2 now Kenwyne's performance is making me angry. Everything that is bad about him was encapsulated today.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Sept 22, 2013 22:31:42 GMT
We are only 5 games in though lets be honest! Jones will of been disappointed seeing crouch start ahead of him always even when he was playing shit! im gonna judge him after 10 games or so, he's for sure got him to ping in goals!
Piss poor service he had today though to be fair especially from Adam (waste of 5 mil if ever seen)
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Post by stokemanusa on Sept 23, 2013 2:58:24 GMT
KJ is a reserve Premiership striker. He's never been prolific and never will be. Crouch was much better in his prime but his time is up. He's past it these days. Walters is too slow , not clinical enough and in my opinion another 'reserve' ... We need to move on. Spot on. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 23, 2013 5:44:56 GMT
KJ could have & should've done better  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 23, 2013 6:51:04 GMT
I hold my hands up. I was one of the"we don't need a new striker" brigade because of the strengthening in mid field and our change of style under Les. I was wrong, these misses by our current strikers are starting to cost us already. The peno miss at Liverpool, how many against Man City and now yesterday? It's now the difference between a top 10 or a 15-17th finish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 7:02:51 GMT
No need to apologise Lawrie, your instinct was right. The actual issue is that we create so few chances, so whenever one of our strikers scuffs a chance the spotlight is immediately thrust upon them. Sure, we definitely need a deadly assassin but tell me which side doesn't? Midfield linking up with and creating more opportunities for our forwards is the first problem Hughes needs to solve. Absolutely no doubt about that. Look at Ozil and Ramsay yesterday. Both midfielders.
Our best midfield linkman was always Rory Delap and that throw. However Nzonzi and Cameron do seem to be developing a footballing partnership. Needs time, and Ireland may be the key in all this.
The fact that MD created a thread solely about KJ's miss sort of backs me up.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 23, 2013 7:26:13 GMT
It has to be said that KJ had a poor game.
We really needed him to hold the ball and although it was difficult many times,that is a major part of his job.
I like Kenwyne,I always have,but he simply did not play well yesterday.
John Walters I am afraid simply lacks pace,and often control.
I thought the new lad showed some promise.We shall have to wait and see with him.
Hughes is clearly concerned about our ability to score,but with things as they are,until January at least,his options are limited.
I can see us playing well against other sides but not winning,and there is cause for concern.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 23, 2013 7:27:36 GMT
I wonder,the way Cameron is playing,whether he should be used in midfield.
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Post by mickmacc on Sept 23, 2013 7:44:51 GMT
The love in with Jones on here amazes me.He still doesnt have a touch,he's still lazy and he still hasnt scored in the Prem.He is like Walters a championship player who can admittedly bully defenders(if he's in the mood which isnt often).
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Post by foster on Sept 23, 2013 7:50:51 GMT
Personally, I was pleased with the way we played in the centre which at the start of the game I assumed would be our weakest area v Arsenal.
Defensive errors cost us and in relation to this thread we really need more firepower up front and to shoot more from midfield.
We passed it a lot around the edge of their box but lacked a decisive pass, a run through their defenders or the cutting edge to make the most of our possession.
KJs control when for the opportunity at 1-1 was appalling. Would have gotten away with a bit of a poor touch but the ball went miles away from him.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 23, 2013 7:51:09 GMT
Bone idle yet again yesterday. I really can't see why we should offer him a new contract. It is ok saying he has power and frightens the shit out of defenders but he is paid to score goals which he doesn't do. And you can't score goals from an offside position! I would try crouch with this Arnie bloke running just in front of him. We need pace and trickery in and around the box and he could be that man to get us to the new year when the other striker arrives.
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