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Post by bostonstokie on Aug 25, 2013 11:51:14 GMT
I'd love to see Flo get in, if only selfishly so I can get a good look at him. That just sounds weird in a grooming kinda way Well, he is a handsome lad...
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Post by roberthuth4 on Aug 25, 2013 11:56:33 GMT
Strange to see alot of you want sorro not butland.
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 25, 2013 11:59:10 GMT
Flo is on loan at Peterborough
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 12:01:22 GMT
Strange to see alot of you want sorro not butland. Simply because I think Tommy will be with us for the season so needs the game for our sakes. Butland will get plenty of time somewhere on loan, Sorro needs all the game time we can afford to give him.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 25, 2013 12:06:09 GMT
Expecting or want? If that's what you want I take it you will not be attending the match as you are not bothered about the League Cup. I want to win the League Cup and I will be bloody livid if he makes 11 changes. A compromise is needed here. Priority is to win the game Yes integrate some of our new / fringe players, give Pennant the opportunity to play a full 90 mins, play a very attacking formation ,but keep some of our more experienced players in the mix and on the bench Agreed, and to be fair that is what Pulis usually did in these sort of games. Apart from the Pennant bit. And apart from that one notorious occasion in Spain.
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Post by lagwafis on Aug 25, 2013 12:07:51 GMT
Flo is on loan at Peterborough That was last season wasn't it? He played in the U21's 2-2 draw against Arsenal a few days ago
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 12:17:28 GMT
We need to act like a premier league team in this and use it as a chance to rotate our squad and maybe formation. Personally I would give Jerome and Jones a run out in a 4-4-2.
My team would be:
Sorro
Shotton Muniesa Shawcross Ness/Wilson?
Pennant/Kightly Cuvelier Whelan Shea (if fit)/Kightly
Jerome Jones
That would be more than enough to thrash a lower league team whilst at the same time giving the fringe players an opportunity to prove themselves to the new manager.
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Post by block27row27 on Aug 25, 2013 13:03:32 GMT
Shotton won't play. Doesn't want to and Hughes won't risk him getting injured before his transfer.
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Post by block27row27 on Aug 25, 2013 13:09:59 GMT
-----------------Butland------------------
Wilko--Shawcross--Huth--Muniesa
-----Cameron--Adam--Cuvelier-----
------Pennant--Jones--Jerome------
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2013 13:15:52 GMT
I really want to see how it would work with Cameron 'shielding' the centre backs and I'd like to see how Wilson does in this formation at right back. I think it's essential that Pennant gets a really good run out from the start of a game too, so I'd go with:
--------------Tommy---------------
Wilson----Ryan---Huth---Muinesa
--------------Cameron---------------
----------Whelan---Adam------------
--Pennant------Jones------Jerome--
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 13:18:02 GMT
I really want to see how it would work with Cameron 'shielding' the centre backs and I'd like to see how Wilson does in this formation at right back. I think it's essential that Pennant gets a really good run out from the start of a game too, so I'd go with:
--------------Tommy---------------
Wilson----Ryan---Huth---Muinesa
--------------Cameron---------------
----------Whelan---Adam------------
--Pennant------Jones------Jerome--
Would Pennant work as a winger in a 4-3-3 though. He doesn't have the eye for goal that is required for that position. In my opinion, despite being a far lesser player, Kightly is far more suited to that type of role than Pennant.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 13:21:43 GMT
I really want to see how it would work with Cameron 'shielding' the centre backs and I'd like to see how Wilson does in this formation at right back. I think it's essential that Pennant gets a really good run out from the start of a game too, so I'd go with:
--------------Tommy---------------
Wilson----Ryan---Huth---Muinesa
--------------Cameron---------------
----------Whelan---Adam------------
--Pennant------Jones------Jerome--
Would Pennant work as a winger in a 4-3-3 though. He doesn't have the eye for goal that is required for that position. In my opinion, despite being a far lesser player, Kightly is far more suited to that type of role than Pennant. I completely agree but the thing is that Pennant seemingly has a future here and Kightly doesn't.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2013 13:22:47 GMT
I really want to see how it would work with Cameron 'shielding' the centre backs and I'd like to see how Wilson does in this formation at right back. I think it's essential that Pennant gets a really good run out from the start of a game too, so I'd go with:
--------------Tommy---------------
Wilson----Ryan---Huth---Muinesa
--------------Cameron---------------
----------Whelan---Adam------------
--Pennant------Jones------Jerome--
Would Pennant work as a winger in a 4-3-3 though. He doesn't have the eye for goal that is required for that position. In my opinion, despite being a far lesser player, Kightly is far more suited to that type of role than Pennant. I think that's a fair comment but long term I just don't think Kightly is going to be good enough for us at this level (wherever he plays), whereas if Pennant can get match fit, then there's a chance that we might see the player we had on our hands a couple of seasons ago, even if that's playing in a 4-4-2, in his traditional position, if Hughes decides to switch formations during a match. And I think games against the likes of Walsall (although not taking him them too lightly) in the cup, is exactly the sort of game where Pennant could start to get his match fitness up. EDIT: Spooky Bayern!
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 25, 2013 13:30:56 GMT
I really want to see how it would work with Cameron 'shielding' the centre backs and I'd like to see how Wilson does in this formation at right back. I think it's essential that Pennant gets a really good run out from the start of a game too, so I'd go with:
--------------Tommy---------------
Wilson----Ryan---Huth---Muinesa
--------------Cameron---------------
----------Whelan---Adam------------
--Pennant------Jones------Jerome--
This really is spot on and exactly what I would go with. With maybe a run out for Shea later on if he is fit enough.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 25, 2013 13:39:37 GMT
Expecting or want? If that's what you want I take it you will not be attending the match as you are not bothered about the League Cup. I want to win the League Cup and I will be bloody livid if he makes 11 changes. Expecting may be a bit strong; better to have said I wouldn't be surprised. Nor shoud you be. Certainly nothing to get "bloody livid" about Victor. One other thing; don't tell me what I'm bothered about. This type of comment you make is really tiresome; you know fuck all about me and what I think. Oops sorry mate no offence intended. I was just trying to make the general point that it is fair amount of commitment in time and money to attend this sort of game, and I really don't want to see 11 changes. I would take that as a sign that that the manager is really not that bothered if we win or lose, in which case the game is not for me and that would be a disappointment to me because I want my team to win the League Cup.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 25, 2013 13:42:25 GMT
Flo is on loan at Peterborough No he's back mate and arrived yesterday in the convoy of player cars around 1pm.Looks like Hughes has changed the routine as well this season with all players and management arriving at the same time after a pre match meal/meeting at Clayton Woods? Poor Flo's car looked very old alongside all the other posh ones.
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 25, 2013 13:42:54 GMT
Be interesting whether Walters plays or not.
How many games has he played consecutively now?
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Post by Maccca100 on Aug 25, 2013 13:43:19 GMT
I really want to see how it would work with Cameron 'shielding' the centre backs and I'd like to see how Wilson does in this formation at right back. I think it's essential that Pennant gets a really good run out from the start of a game too, so I'd go with:
--------------Tommy---------------
Wilson----Ryan---Huth---Muinesa
--------------Cameron---------------
----------Whelan---Adam------------
--Pennant------Jones------Jerome--
This really is spot on and exactly what I would go with. With maybe a run out for Shea later on if he is fit enough. You both want us to put a player in to 'shield" the back four against a league one club?. Really?. That type of stuff is why we have pre season matches.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 13:44:09 GMT
Expecting may be a bit strong; better to have said I wouldn't be surprised. Nor shoud you be. Certainly nothing to get "bloody livid" about Victor. One other thing; don't tell me what I'm bothered about. This type of comment you make is really tiresome; you know fuck all about me and what I think. Oops sorry mate no offence intended. I was just trying to make the general point that it is fair amount of commitment in time and money to attend this sort of game, and I really don't want to see 11 changes. I would take that as a sign that that the manager is really not that bothered if we win or lose, in which case the game is not for me and that would be a disappointment to me because I want my team to win the League Cup. I'm the opposite. I love to see loads of changes, I want to see players I rarely see playing and to give them a chance. This really is spot on and exactly what I would go with. With maybe a run out for Shea later on if he is fit enough. You both want us to put a player in to 'shield" the back four against a league one club?. Really?. That type of stuff is why we have pre season matches. I agree with them, we need one and what better game to test it in than a cup tie? We didn't have enough friendlies so trying stuff out in this one is essential.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2013 13:47:15 GMT
This really is spot on and exactly what I would go with. With maybe a run out for Shea later on if he is fit enough. You both want us to put a player in to 'shield" the back four against a league one club?. Really?. That type of stuff is why we have pre season matches. I don't really follow your point Maccca ... Hughes has been playing 4-3-3 in every match since he got here. Yet we don't seem to have found the player who can play the holding role yet, either Cameron or Muniesa needs to be tried there pronto because if they can't do it, then we're going to need to buy one before the window shuts.
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Post by Bombus on Aug 25, 2013 13:54:49 GMT
If we're able to bring in a new player (Assaidi?) before the game, this is a perfect opportunity to play him.
Anyway, I'd like to see Jack in goal and Muniesa at left back. One of Flo and Ness should be given the chance to start the game in the middle of the park with Pennant on the right.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 13:55:45 GMT
Ness isn't fit and why play Butland when he won't be playing for us this season? I don't think that makes sense.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2013 13:58:44 GMT
I thought Wilson was the one tasked (if not with shielding the back four) picking up all the shit from everyone else?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:00:04 GMT
I thought Wilson was the one tasked (if not with shielding the back four) picking up all the shit from everyone else? He was and I think he failed miserably with it for most of the game.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2013 14:04:00 GMT
Our errant full backs and talented but lackadaisical other central two make it a job that Makalelele would struggle at!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2013 14:06:10 GMT
I thought Wilson was the one tasked (if not with shielding the back four) picking up all the shit from everyone else? He was and I think he failed miserably with it for most of the game. Yep. And I suspect that Wilson is a better right back than Cameron too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:10:28 GMT
Our errant full backs and talented but lackadaisical other central two make it a job that Makalelele would struggle at! I just thought he went forward too often with no consideration to defending and the goal was in part down to him not doing what should have been and that's being in between the two centre halves. It's my biggest worry with this new set up, the midfield look a right mess. He was and I think he failed miserably with it for most of the game. Yep. And I suspect that Wilson is a better right back than Cameron too. Yup, ever since the Genoa game I think they need to swap around. Our use of Geoff Cameron to start most attacks scares the shit out of me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2013 14:14:55 GMT
I think its a stretch to put the goal down to anyone other than Shawcross and a miniscule bit to Huth. I do agree though that a lot of our defensive shakiness this season has stemmed form the three in the middle. All three of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:19:46 GMT
I think its a stretch to put the goal down to anyone other than Shawcross and a miniscule bit to Huth. I do agree though that a lot of our defensive shakiness this season has stemmed form the three in the middle. All three of them. I don't think he's to blame Momo, just that he should been in the proximity of the centre halves and the midfield being AWOL defensively was a feature of our game. When the full backs bomb he should imo slip in between the centre halves so they can cover the wide areas an he can cover the middle. If he's there he can cover Shawcross. But he wasn't, I don't even know if he was meant to be but that's how I understand a 4-3-3 to work. There's no doubt Shawcross should have fucked it off into oblivion. But if he doesn't I think the DM should be there to cover, that's all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2013 14:25:10 GMT
I think its a stretch to put the goal down to anyone other than Shawcross and a miniscule bit to Huth. I do agree though that a lot of our defensive shakiness this season has stemmed form the three in the middle. All three of them. I don't think he's to blame Momo, just that he should been in the proximity of the centre halves and the midfield being AWOL defensively was a feature of our game. When the full backs bomb he should imo slip in between the centre halves so they can cover the wide areas an he can cover the middle. If he's there he can cover Shawcross. But he wasn't, I don't even know if he was meant to be but that's how I understand a 4-3-3 to work. There's no doubt Shawcross should have fucked it off into oblivion. But if he doesn't I think the DM should be there to cover, that's all. Yep that's exactly how I understand 4-3-3 to work as well Bayern. I can't believe for a moment that Hughes isn't instructing them to do this, so can only assume that the players he has used there so far are simply not up to the task. I do think that Cameron or Muniesa might well be though.
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