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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 7, 2013 19:11:30 GMT
Shea was suppose to return to Stoke, but he is now replacing injured Josh Gatt in the Gold Cup.(CONCAFAF Championship) Tthe Gold Cup final is July 28th. Really doesn't make sense, the USA and Mexico are playing a B squads. USA is in a weak group that includes Belize and Cuba, I doubt any performance will impress his new coach. Why is Shea in the B squad Gold Cup instead of trying to earn a starting spot at Stoke? This seems 10 times more likely to hurt his chances of playing then trying to take funny pictures. All I have heard is how imporant preseason is going to be, and Shea is missing it to play in a crappy international tournament. (This year's Gold Cup is not a qualifier for the Confederations Cup so USA and Mexico send B squads.) He is with the USA because they have called him up and Stoke have no powers to stop it Unless a player is injured he has to go or the country could have him suspended from club football True. But when he originally explained his exclusion from what is apparently a second or third-string squad, in a devalued tournament, last week, he specifically cited the importance to Shea of getting a full pre-season at Stoke. Christ only knows what's changed. He's messing around with Shea's career. Klinsmann on original Shea exclusion"We decided it was really better for Brek to join the pre-season at Stoke on July 8th. It's really, really important that he starts off well with Stoke, gets a starting spot and breaks in order to get his breakthrough in Europe"
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Post by Trubritt on Jul 7, 2013 19:16:04 GMT
It didnt stop man utd arsenal and chelsea from stopping their players
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 7, 2013 19:16:09 GMT
Wank. Jurgen should stop playing games, his boys will get to play some proper football now under Hughes.
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Post by werrington on Jul 7, 2013 19:16:30 GMT
He is with the USA because they have called him up and Stoke have no powers to stop it Unless a player is injured he has to go or the country could have him suspended from club football True. But when he originally explained his exclusion from what is apparently a second or third-string squad, in a devalued tournament, last week, he specifically cited the importance to Shea of getting a full pre-season at Stoke. Christ only knows what's changed. He's messing around with Shea's career. Klinsmann on original Shea exclusion"We decided it was really better for Brek to join the pre-season at Stoke on July 8th. It's really, really important that he starts off well with Stoke, gets a starting spot and breaks in order to get his breakthrough in Europe" That's certainly thickened the plot FM The whole thing makes no sense at all after Klinsmans comments
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Post by werrington on Jul 7, 2013 19:18:24 GMT
It didnt stop man utd arsenal and chelsea from stopping their players They need a medical certificate to prove their players are unfit They can't just decide they don't want them to play for their countries
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 19:35:14 GMT
Bego did!
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Post by oman on Jul 7, 2013 21:12:02 GMT
Would do the same thing as Shea is doing. Take a chance not making the starting lineup on a team that you have been with for a bit in exchange for maximizing your chance to get back into the US rotation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 21:15:18 GMT
Would do the same thing as Shea is doing. Take a chance not making the starting lineup on a team that you have been with for a bit in exchange for maximizing your chance to get back into the US rotation. If You're American, of course You would. For his proper career it's a stupid decision.
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Post by frumpy on Jul 7, 2013 21:52:21 GMT
You all are looking at this the wrong way. What is Stoke doing right now? A few kicking the ball around, many still on vacation? While that is happening and training is just about to get under way, Shea has been in the NT camp for a week preparing for actual matches, played 30 mins and is about to get more match time.
Exactly how does Stoke not stand to benefit from an in form, healthy and full of confidence Brek returning? On top of that, the GC allows replacements heading into the last stage and there's other guys like Zusi/EJ on standby, so it's completely plausible Brek plays a few games, increases form over the next two weeks and then meets up with Stoke before the friendlies, at which point you have a fully fit and in form winger stepping into your squad and ready to impress during the friendlies as well as still has 3 weeks of pre season training.
Shea's problem isn't competition and competing with the talent level at LW in Stoke. Far from it. His issue is getting healthy, fit and regaining form. Playing matches helps that more than training. Why you'd rather have an out of form, not as confident Shea kicking the ball around in training rather than an in form, full of confidence joining the team later is beyond me.
And why do you all assume Jurgen and Hughes didn't have a conversation about this? Why do you assume Hughes is against this? You all really think Jurgen wants to hurt Brek's chances at Stoke and my extension the WC? Lol. And Hughes has experience with our NT and the GC. He's coached a number of American NTers. Is the weather there really that bad, because you all regularly appear to assume the worst in everything. Depressing bunch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 22:08:34 GMT
It doesn't matter, if he's away for three weeks it means the manager won't see him and whatever people will say and what judgements will be made in that time and even before. It makes it 100 times harder for Shea to work out here. If he's not here to make an impression and that's what he has to do, then he won't make one. It's crazy.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jul 7, 2013 22:19:59 GMT
You all are looking at this the wrong way. What is Stoke doing right now? A few kicking the ball around, many still on vacation? While that is happening and training is just about to get under way, Shea has been in the NT camp for a week preparing for actual matches, played 30 mins and is about to get more match time. Exactly how does Stoke not stand to benefit from an in form, healthy and full of confidence Brek returning? On top of that, the GC allows replacements heading into the last stage and there's other guys like Zusi/EJ on standby, so it's completely plausible Brek plays a few games, increases form over the next two weeks and then meets up with Stoke before the friendlies, at which point you have a fully fit and in form winger stepping into your squad and ready to impress during the friendlies as well as still has 3 weeks of pre season training. Shea's problem isn't competition and competing with the talent level at LW in Stoke. Far from it. His issue is getting healthy, fit and regaining form. Playing matches helps that more than training. Why you'd rather have an out of form, not as confident Shea kicking the ball around in training rather than an in form, full of confidence joining the team later is beyond me. And why do you all assume Jurgen and Hughes didn't have a conversation about this? Why do you assume Hughes is against this? You all really think Jurgen wants to hurt Brek's chances at Stoke and my extension the WC? Lol. And Hughes has experience with our NT and the GC. He's coached a number of American NTers. Is the weather there really that bad, because you all regularly appear to assume the worst in everything. Depressing bunch. because football and our team means more to us than it does to you. Thats why. The more passionate you are about something the more likely you are to complain because you always want it to get better. Shea, in being away from the squad at tinpot cup HQ is missing out on meeting new signings and forming a partnership with them. Pre season isn't just kicking a ball about either. Especially stoke pre season. Its geared towards fitness and physical condition. Which is surely better than putting in half arsed effort against teams nobody has ever heard of in a reserve USMNT. By the way, it's about 30 degrees here now
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Post by frumpy on Jul 7, 2013 22:30:02 GMT
You all are looking at this the wrong way. What is Stoke doing right now? A few kicking the ball around, many still on vacation? While that is happening and training is just about to get under way, Shea has been in the NT camp for a week preparing for actual matches, played 30 mins and is about to get more match time. because football and our team means more to us than it does to you. Thats why. The more passionate you are about something the more likely you are to complain because you always want it to get better. Shea, in being away from the squad at tinpot cup HQ is missing out on meeting new signings and forming a partnership with them. Pre season isn't just kicking a ball about either. Especially stoke pre season. Its geared towards fitness and physical condition. Which is surely better than putting in half arsed effort against teams nobody has ever heard of in a reserve USMNT. By the way, it's about 30 degrees here now You think Shea will somehow be less fit for training and playing with the NT? And you think he's putting out a half assed effort with the NT? The fact your geography sucks and you're not aware of the countries in this region means little in regards to this helping or not helping. So, playing NT's in this region is a poor level and Shea shouldn't do it, in order to join up for friendlies against FCD and Houston Dynamo? That level is superior? You know not what you speak of.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 22:32:44 GMT
because football and our team means more to us than it does to you. Thats why. The more passionate you are about something the more likely you are to complain because you always want it to get better. Shea, in being away from the squad at tinpot cup HQ is missing out on meeting new signings and forming a partnership with them. Pre season isn't just kicking a ball about either. Especially stoke pre season. Its geared towards fitness and physical condition. Which is surely better than putting in half arsed effort against teams nobody has ever heard of in a reserve USMNT. By the way, it's about 30 degrees here now You think Shea will somehow be less fit for training and playing with the NT? And you think he's putting out a half assed effort with the NT? The fact your geography sucks and you're not aware of the countries in this region means little in regards to this helping or not helping. So, playing NT's in this region is a poor level and Shea shouldn't do it, in order to join up for friendlies against FCD and Houston Dynamo? That level is superior? You know not what you speak of. Fitness isn't the issue! It's being in the manager's mind, being on sight and being noticed on the training pitch. Doing it for the American team will mean little if Ethers puts the best 3 weeks training in he's ever done to impress the new manager. The level of play is completely irrelevant!
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jul 7, 2013 22:37:50 GMT
because football and our team means more to us than it does to you. Thats why. The more passionate you are about something the more likely you are to complain because you always want it to get better. Shea, in being away from the squad at tinpot cup HQ is missing out on meeting new signings and forming a partnership with them. Pre season isn't just kicking a ball about either. Especially stoke pre season. Its geared towards fitness and physical condition. Which is surely better than putting in half arsed effort against teams nobody has ever heard of in a reserve USMNT. By the way, it's about 30 degrees here now You think Shea will somehow be less fit for training and playing with the NT? And you think he's putting out a half assed effort with the NT? The fact your geography sucks and you're not aware of the countries in this region means little in regards to this helping or not helping. So, playing NT's in this region is a poor level and Shea shouldn't do it, in order to join up for friendlies against FCD and Houston Dynamo? That level is superior? You know not what you speak of. I do think he will be less fit. Because at stoke he would have a proper pre season. i.e training almost every day in fitness camps, running up mountains and meeting his new team mates. With the NT he's just in normal training, working on formations/tactics etc for a few days a week. It's not that I dont know the countries in the region either. And it's not all about levels of the games he plays in. Being with your club team mates is very important.
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 7, 2013 22:39:40 GMT
You think Shea will somehow be less fit for training and playing with the NT? And you think he's putting out a half assed effort with the NT? The fact your geography sucks and you're not aware of the countries in this region means little in regards to this helping or not helping. So, playing NT's in this region is a poor level and Shea shouldn't do it, in order to join up for friendlies against FCD and Houston Dynamo? That level is superior? You know not what you speak of. Fitness isn't the issue! It's being in the manager's mind, being on sight and being noticed on the training pitch. Doing it for the American team will mean little if Ethers puts the best 3 weeks training in he's ever done to impress the new manager. The level of play is completely irrelevant! And if Hughes thinks Etherington isn't up to it and is unsure of Shea he will sign his own man who he will certainly favour over Shea.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 22:41:22 GMT
Fitness isn't the issue! It's being in the manager's mind, being on sight and being noticed on the training pitch. Doing it for the American team will mean little if Ethers puts the best 3 weeks training in he's ever done to impress the new manager. The level of play is completely irrelevant! And if Hughes thinks Etherington isn't up to it and is unsure of Shea he will sign his own man who he will certainly favour over Shea. Exactly, it's just a shit move from Klinsmann.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 22:48:23 GMT
Shea's career path is currently nailed down at Stoke City and for him to carve out a career in top flight football he needs to impress and up his game from what he was used to. He has plenty of raw ability , but that needs to be polished and refined. The only way that this is achievable is playing with his own team mates and under his new manager.He has to become an established first team player this season , because if he doesn't , then he's effectively sunk at international level. Klinnsman knows this and has hinted as much. Shea was a big fish in a small pond in the states , but now the reverse is true.Only time will tell , but he has certainly not torn any trees up so far apart from making the headlines as a result of his haircut.
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Post by fromtheusa on Jul 7, 2013 23:50:23 GMT
I think it's just to hype Shea, hopefully he looks like a superstar and can get his first USA goal vs Belize or Cuba. It lets America's golden boy look amazing and sell posters. I see this leading to Shea getting a Championship loan.
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Post by oman on Jul 7, 2013 23:54:59 GMT
It doesn't matter, if he's away for three weeks it means the manager won't see him and whatever people will say and what judgements will be made in that time and even before. It makes it 100 times harder for Shea to work out here. If he's not here to make an impression and that's what he has to do, then he won't make one. It's crazy. Um hum. 100 times harder. Hopefully the manager has a satellite dish and can catch a game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2013 0:28:18 GMT
It doesn't matter, if he's away for three weeks it means the manager won't see him and whatever people will say and what judgements will be made in that time and even before. It makes it 100 times harder for Shea to work out here. If he's not here to make an impression and that's what he has to do, then he won't make one. It's crazy. Um hum. 100 times harder. Hopefully the manager has a satellite dish and can catch a game. He'll be in America when it's on, so he could catch a flight.... Still it's not the same as seeing him train first hand, spending 2 weeks away with him and watching him play for him with his tactics and systems. 10 times as hard 100 times harder, a thousand times, who knows but it makes it a hell of a lot harder for him!
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Post by frumpy on Jul 8, 2013 3:06:44 GMT
You think Shea will somehow be less fit for training and playing with the NT? And you think he's putting out a half assed effort with the NT? The fact your geography sucks and you're not aware of the countries in this region means little in regards to this helping or not helping. So, playing NT's in this region is a poor level and Shea shouldn't do it, in order to join up for friendlies against FCD and Houston Dynamo? That level is superior? You know not what you speak of. I do think he will be less fit. Because at stoke he would have a proper pre season. i.e training almost every day in fitness camps, running up mountains and meeting his new team mates. With the NT he's just in normal training, working on formations/tactics etc for a few days a week. It's not that I dont know the countries in the region either. And it's not all about levels of the games he plays in. Being with your club team mates is very important. If that's what you think, you know little about Jurgen and his NT camps. He's all about fitness, to the point it hurt our program for over a year, the constant two a days with less focus on tactics. He's a fooking fitness Nazi. And you need training camps to get fit after coming off vacation, or holiday as you guys call it. You don't however need that when you're doing NT two a days, sandwiched between games.
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 8, 2013 3:56:53 GMT
Shea will be pissed he has to wait and get that classy new trackie ...
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Post by kennedy on Jul 8, 2013 5:29:43 GMT
What's up guys. New here, thought I'd share after seeing this thread. Anyways.
Granted, Shea was tearing it up against a disoriented Guatemalan side, he still played with mass amounts of confidence(and real pace). Basically, he looked a lot like the man you all have seen in the Youtube vids; flying down the wing, placing numerous dangerous crosses, cutting in and taking dangerous shots. I understand the concern with team chemistry and all, but I firmly believe many of the doubters here will be pleasantly surprised by Brek's quality when he returns from Gold Cup. And by that I mean Brek is going to make Mexico's backline his bitch, and buy USA's ticket to the next Confed cup. #unbiased
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 8, 2013 6:40:43 GMT
The US ssems to play better when they employ rapid side runners like Shea. I seen a lot of Brek before he transferred to UK soccer but for him to succeed he needs plenty of game time. Benching him 90 per cent of the time will mean a wasted move by The Potters of Staffordshire. If it turns out to be a totally rad signing then I'll do 300 starjumps with honor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 10:30:22 GMT
What's up guys. New here, thought I'd share after seeing this thread. Anyways. Granted, Shea was tearing it up against a disoriented Guatemalan side, he still played with mass amounts of confidence(and real pace). Basically, he looked a lot like the man you all have seen in the Youtube vids; flying down the wing, placing numerous dangerous crosses, cutting in and taking dangerous shots. I understand the concern with team chemistry and all, but I firmly believe many of the doubters here will be pleasantly surprised by Brek's quality when he returns from Gold Cup. And by that I mean Brek is going to make Mexico's backline his bitch, and buy USA's ticket to the next Confed cup. #unbiased I like this. I like this a lot.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2013 10:40:35 GMT
The Mexico side is more second choice than the American side isn't it? Their most experienced player has 14 caps. Beating them won't be anything special. I'd say that Landon Donovan has more caps than that Mexico squad alone (just a guestimate). Another reason why Brek's call up is so perplexing.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 8, 2013 11:00:57 GMT
The Mexico side is more second choice than the American side isn't it? Their most experienced player has 14 caps. Beating them won't be anything special. I'd say that Landon Donovan has more caps than that Mexico squad alone (just a guestimate). Another reason why Brek's call up is so perplexing. There's little we can do other than hope Shea is the real deal for us, wherever he plays his early pre-season footy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2013 11:03:24 GMT
The Mexico side is more second choice than the American side isn't it? Their most experienced player has 14 caps. Beating them won't be anything special. I'd say that Landon Donovan has more caps than that Mexico squad alone (just a guestimate). Another reason why Brek's call up is so perplexing. There's little we can do other than hope Shea is the real deal for us, wherever he plays his early pre-season footy Indeed but there's no doubt that this makes it much harder for him.
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jul 8, 2013 11:41:02 GMT
I think Shea could be the star player this year, him and pieters down the left hand side looks promising
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 8, 2013 11:47:31 GMT
I think Shea could be the star player this year, him and pieters down the left hand side looks promising On paper perhaps. The reality may be rather different.
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