tayterz
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Post by tayterz on Jun 29, 2013 8:01:50 GMT
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Post by torquaypotter on Jun 29, 2013 8:05:03 GMT
Maybe its because we need a fullback your thoughts on that please
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 29, 2013 8:05:07 GMT
If we have to play Pieters at CB we're then down a left back though. Take your point about Cameron but I still think we need one more dedicated CB
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 29, 2013 8:06:55 GMT
I can see why we need one. Pieters is going to be played left back and for me Geoff Cameron is not a good enough centre back for the Premier league. I feel much better withnCameron in midfield rather than defence. We need a good centre back cover and if we can pick up someone young, promising and cheap, we should go for it.
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tayterz
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Post by tayterz on Jun 29, 2013 8:07:23 GMT
Maybe its because we need a fullback your thoughts on that please My thoughts being if we needed to shuffle for injuries Wilson could still cover left back?
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Post by mark on Jun 29, 2013 8:33:00 GMT
Maybe its because we need a fullback your thoughts on that please My thoughts being if we needed to shuffle for injuries Wilson could still cover left back? So what would you do if both Pieters and Shawcross got injured?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 29, 2013 8:34:08 GMT
It's OK being linked to more defenders, but I really think our attention should be switched to a striker and a winger now!
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Post by mark on Jun 29, 2013 8:39:58 GMT
It's OK being linked to more defenders, but I really think our attention should be switched to a striker and a winger now! And if Nzonzi goes we need two central midfielders as well. We still need to bring in a minimum of 4/5 players.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 29, 2013 8:49:31 GMT
I can see why we need one. Pieters is going to be played left back and for me Geoff Cameron is not a good enough centre back for the Premier league. I feel much better withnCameron in midfield rather than defence. We need a good centre back cover and if we can pick up someone young, promising and cheap, we should go for it. I agree. We have to put some pressure on Huth and Ryan for the cb job. Either we get a senior pro, similar to Upson (Baird is that type) or we get a young, up and coming player, who fits the new profile of players with potential that the club needs more of. Ba is that type of player so I'd have no problems if we signed him.
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Post by DentySCFC on Jun 29, 2013 8:52:52 GMT
Based on his performances coming back from suspension last season, I think Huthy's on the wain so we could do with a new centre back to either push him or replace him. Don't know much about this Ba though tbh.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2013 8:58:28 GMT
I don't think we should be shifting Pieters, Wilson or GCam from there natural position as it just weakens us elsewhere on the park. If it was me I'd go for cheap but decent cover Baird or Dann would be ideal. We need to invest our bigger money elsewhere. Namely up front or on the wing. Positions that still need improving.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 9:32:36 GMT
Based on his performances coming back from suspension last season, I think Huthy's on the wain so we could do with a new centre back to either push him or replace him. Don't know much about this Ba though tbh. Do you not realise how gay you sound when you call Huth,Huthy??? I would agree that we need another quality centre half though to give competition for places.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 29, 2013 10:12:32 GMT
Based on his performances coming back from suspension last season, I think Huthy's on the wain so we could do with a new centre back to either push him or replace him. Don't know much about this Ba though tbh. I think you may be right, maybe Hughes just doesn't rate him so much and thinks its a good idea to have someone else to fight for the place as you say. With regards to Cameron, I'm still not sure he's good enough for the Prem in any position tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 10:23:52 GMT
Both Huth and Shawcross are good for the odd red here and there, so it makes sense to buy a younger center half to grow with us.
Looking at a video of him he looks very much like a raw Samba.
6'6" he's certainly tall enough!
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 29, 2013 10:33:13 GMT
I'd still say a CB is a priority. It's a 40 games plus season and having just two proper centre halves is a risk.
We have no idea how Pieters will cope at LB let alone playing at CB.
One of the plans that MH maybe considering is shifting Wilson into midfield. What we don't want is one injury or suspension to Huth or Ryan meaning that Pieters -> CB, Wilson -> LB, AN Other -> CM. 3 changes and lots of disruption to cover one player being out.
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Post by lordb on Jun 29, 2013 15:30:40 GMT
Huth,Shawcross,Peeters,Wilson,Cameron can all play CB comfortably
Shotton & Wilko could in an emergency
Stoke are cutting costs so don't exepect lots of signings with a peefect squad
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Post by march4 on Jun 29, 2013 15:50:36 GMT
Folk still not giving any thought to the possibility of their favourite players leaving?
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 29, 2013 15:51:42 GMT
I think we could perhaps do with an Upson-type signing, but on fairly low wages, or a promising youngster.
Whoever it is probably won't get that many games, and clubs like us just can't afford to have three big names battling for two spots.
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Post by march4 on Jun 29, 2013 15:54:17 GMT
I think we could perhaps do with an Upson-type signing, but on fairly low wages, or a promising youngster. Whoever it is probably won't get that many games, and clubs like us just can't afford to have three big names battling for two spots. They will if 2 or 3 current regulars leave.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 29, 2013 15:57:44 GMT
I think people seem to forget that come the start of the season Huth will be 29, injuries will likely start to become more regular occurrence and he could start to lose a bit of pace over the next year or two. Plus it won't do us any harm to have a bit of competition for both Huth and Shawcross.
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Post by march4 on Jun 29, 2013 16:01:26 GMT
I think people seem to forget that come the start of the season Huth will be 29, injuries will likely start to become more regular occurrence and he could start to lose a bit of pace over the next year or two. Plus it won't do us any harm to have a bit of competition for both Huth and Shawcross. How many milliseconds do you think Huth and/or Shawcross will stay at the club if they think they will not be first choice players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 16:03:52 GMT
I think people seem to forget that come the start of the season Huth will be 29, injuries will likely start to become more regular occurrence and he could start to lose a bit of pace over the next year or two. Plus it won't do us any harm to have a bit of competition for both Huth and Shawcross. How many milliseconds do you think Huth and/or Shawcross will stay at the club if they think they will not be first choice players. Spot on march.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 16:04:55 GMT
So thats it then no signings in case we upset our current players ! If they get all mardy then oh well so much for being professional.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 29, 2013 16:15:56 GMT
I think people seem to forget that come the start of the season Huth will be 29, injuries will likely start to become more regular occurrence and he could start to lose a bit of pace over the next year or two. Plus it won't do us any harm to have a bit of competition for both Huth and Shawcross. How many milliseconds do you think Huth and/or Shawcross will stay at the club if they think they will not be first choice players. Not many but how do you know whether Ba will replace them instantly?
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Post by march4 on Jun 29, 2013 16:40:17 GMT
How many milliseconds do you think Huth and/or Shawcross will stay at the club if they think they will not be first choice players. Not many but how do you know whether Ba will replace them instantly? Will he sign if he is not offered a starting spot? Why are we after defenders when all of the issues are with our offensive play?
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jun 29, 2013 16:52:40 GMT
If they are not first choices,hopefully we will have improved in those positions.
We cannot just stand still in any position.
And why do people presume we are not looking at midfielders or strikers,just because a paper mentions we are interested in a defender?
We do need a centre half who uses the ball better than Huth,but hopefully defends just as well.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 29, 2013 16:54:20 GMT
Not many but how do you know whether Ba will replace them instantly? Will he sign if he is not offered a starting spot? Why are we after defenders when all of the issues are with our offensive play? Possibly, possibly not I've never heard of the guy so I have no idea what he's like as a player or a person. If he does sign I think personally, it'll be with a view to replace Huth in the next 2 or so years. Obviously he'll have cup appearances thrown in along with filling in for injuries/suspension.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 16:55:38 GMT
If they are not first choices,hopefully we will have improved in those positions. We cannot just stand still in any position. And why do people presume we are not looking at midfielders or strikers,just because a paper mentions we are interested in a defender? We do need a centre half who uses the ball better than Huth,but hopefully defends just as well. Maybe the player who can use the ball better than Huth is actually Huth under another manager?
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 29, 2013 17:02:53 GMT
If they are not first choices,hopefully we will have improved in those positions. We cannot just stand still in any position. And why do people presume we are not looking at midfielders or strikers,just because a paper mentions we are interested in a defender? We do need a centre half who uses the ball better than Huth,but hopefully defends just as well. What?! Look at our first team- not our squad, but our first choice XI. The ONLY positions where there are no issues at all are the two centre back positions and the goalkeeper (for now). You'd have to be on crack to think that upgrading a quality centre half should even be on the radar.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 29, 2013 17:09:57 GMT
I think we could perhaps do with an Upson-type signing, but on fairly low wages, or a promising youngster. Whoever it is probably won't get that many games, and clubs like us just can't afford to have three big names battling for two spots. They will if 2 or 3 current regulars leave. Then if the regulars (by that I mean Huth or Shawcross) leave we should be spending big to sign a player of equivalent ability. Players like an on-his-last-legs Upson aren't players who you can sign with one eye on them getting a load of games if one of your stars leave. They're players who might be on the bench sometimes and can fill in for 2 or 3 games in darkest January when injuries and suspensions bite. The ideal make-up for the four centre back positions for a club our size should be:- TWO SOLID FIRST TEAMERS ONE MODERATE STAND-IN (i.e Cameron) ONE OLD VETERAN/ UP-AND-COMING YOUNGSTER
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